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karlophin
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So he says
But no class and no individual can beat everything, perhaps its just that I find assasins are a bm's major weakness
So he says
But no class and no individual can beat everything, perhaps its just that I find assasins are a bm's major weakness
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old.Odysseus
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your point?
You were the one that wanted the game mechanics to work in such a way that you own archers 100% - your own words. Not mine.
My reply was simply that if that was the way it was supposed to be, archers should own casters 100% (which is certainly not how it is now).
Rock-paper-scissor is a dead horse.
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Purleeeease. So by your reasoning if mythic decides to take away your armor and replace it with leather you should just grow up and adapt because archers got nerfed from the beginning.
We have the potential to become overpowered with the abilities given to us in combination with a buffbot.
A true tank is basically a damage taker and that is why my statement that they should keep IP but the rest should lose it is a pretty decent one if I dont say so myself
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I never said that
I said at close, close being melee, range.<edit>and I also said mythic's vision, not mine</edit>
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Eh? Where did pin's post go
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old.Odysseus
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for nicolas (this is getting old)
Those were your words. I read them as 'no you shouldn't stand a chance unless you're of much higher RR than me.'.
That sure sounds like a 100% victory.
Whether it is mythics opinion or yours, it sounds to me as that is what u're promoting.
Hence my statement: assassins own archers 100% => archers owns casters 100%.
This is rock-paper-scissor.
Those were your words. I read them as 'no you shouldn't stand a chance unless you're of much higher RR than me.'.
That sure sounds like a 100% victory.
Whether it is mythics opinion or yours, it sounds to me as that is what u're promoting.
Hence my statement: assassins own archers 100% => archers owns casters 100%.
This is rock-paper-scissor.
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Danya
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Chipper would be jumping with joy if they gave him leather I think... given he has cloth atm.
I think the nerf is a good one, assassins are way over the top now. In part due to buffbots, but they aren't going to nerf them as they get more money off them. Now they just need to change assassin snare to be like other snares...
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yog-hurt
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OMFG YOU BASTARDS!.....is that what im expected to say?
well tbh to me it will mean more of a challenge
i use IP a lot... and the only reason is because i like to take risks, thats the best way to have fun as an assasin try as many things as possible.... alot of the time i fail, but i also succed a lot too... IP makes this a lot easier to take on 3 people or something obviously, but i will still be the same old infi
p.s. some other things. nicolas is 100% correct, it is harder to lvl assasin/ranger class's cause they arnt pve group worthy.
the other thing was... you all saying that it was the buffbots that should get nerfed because they are 3-5% of the server... WTF??? are you actually stupid?? there are obviously TONS more assasins then buffbots .... lol? im still confused bout this one..
well tbh to me it will mean more of a challenge
i use IP a lot... and the only reason is because i like to take risks, thats the best way to have fun as an assasin
try as many things as possible.... alot of the time i fail, but i also succed a lot too... IP makes this a lot easier to take on 3 people or something obviously, but i will still be the same old infi p.s. some other things. nicolas is 100% correct, it is harder to lvl assasin/ranger class's cause they arnt pve group worthy.
the other thing was... you all saying that it was the buffbots that should get nerfed because they are 3-5% of the server... WTF??? are you actually stupid?? there are obviously TONS more assasins then buffbots .... lol? im still confused bout this one..
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old.chipper
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for starters im a caster now so id be very happy if mythic gave me leather armour =)
i agree only tanks should get IP there the ones who take the pounding so only fair
i really dont see what all the fuss is about this nerf was needed whether u admit it to yourself or not. my point is if youre just gonna give up now cos u cant own EVERY class is just lame and shallow
however on your side i do think assasins should be given a full respec so they can spec a true assasin instead of a stealthed merc like most have gone since recent patches because it is like fighting a merc/blademaster/middie equivalent.
i agree only tanks should get IP there the ones who take the pounding so only fair
i really dont see what all the fuss is about this nerf was needed whether u admit it to yourself or not. my point is if youre just gonna give up now cos u cant own EVERY class is just lame and shallow
however on your side i do think assasins should be given a full respec so they can spec a true assasin instead of a stealthed merc like most have gone since recent patches because it is like fighting a merc/blademaster/middie equivalent.
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Runolaz
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Bah...someone got owned and now you whine about it. He probably critted you, because even fully buffed he would not have mad that high dmg on a tank with a normal PA. To make it even better I guess he will respec from IP (if has) to MoP and will critt even more. When all assassins have MoP IV/V I can assure you that the whining will start again.
As for Assassins taking out tanks I can say that with my SZ (and I'm very seldom buffed) I don't stand a chance agaist most pure tanks at my lvl and RR 1 vs 1.
I don't have a problem with either capping evade at 50% or loosing IP, BUT there is a BUT here. With these changes you will make Assassins even less wanted in grp's both in RvR and PvE. Think it's about time that ppl understand that assassins don't rake RP solo, those that do play 24/7, and off course they will develop skills that a person playing lets say 1-2 hours a day (on average) cannot match. I can only speak for myself, but I get much much better RP grped than solo with my SB's, but I like walking around alone from time to time too. I can just imagine some ppl (probably the same ppl that whined about getting owned by assassins) will refuse to have assassins in their RvR grp's because they don't have IP...lol
As it has been said b4 in this post I think it's about time that Assassins classes get some skills that other ppl find usefull in grp's.
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Yep and I elaborated on the wording I used further down in a post addressed to amphetamine.
This is the kind of thing I meant by love from your own realmmates.
Cya all on pvp
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Now we see eye to eye chipper
I'm not that bothered about the nerf. I just find it unfair that we are the only guys who get IP taken away from us when the real issue is buffbots.
I'm not that bothered about the nerf. I just find it unfair that we are the only guys who get IP taken away from us when the real issue is buffbots.
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old.Nol
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you realise ofcourse that NP require you to get a crap 80's haircut and bad denim jacket?
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Vasconcelos
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Im not begging about the assasin nerf, i welcome it coz we needed. But i cannot put up with the fact we r the only class (except casters) with No IP, so my point of view is:
- Remove IP from all classes except tanks/light tanks
- NERF NERF NERF NERF buffbots (or give us a buffer in each tk like a hastener)
- Remove IP from all classes except tanks/light tanks
- NERF NERF NERF NERF buffbots (or give us a buffer in each tk like a hastener
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So what else is new?
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ab_fluid
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Lol @ the state of this thread
Assasins finally get nerfed, thank god, its been a long time coming but to take away ip shoulda have been done like nicolas said to all none pure tanks. I can GUARENTEE this nerf will lead to hardly any solo sb's and 2weeks after the nerf people will be moaning now about how assasins are roaming in 2fg camping amg or whatever. If assasins can't solo a tak anymore they wil simply grp up and gank them its the nature of the game.
Think they should give us a full respec then so i can go back to 50CS and start 1 hitting them epic casters again.
P.S To Karlophin out of all tanks BM's/Zerks/Mercs are the hardest for an assasin to take and 800dmg is 1 very high crit from pin (must be close to 400base 400crit). I hate duel wield tanks and so do the majority of other assasins so ur obviously doing something wrong if u get owned so badly by them.
BRING ON THE NERF!
Assasins finally get nerfed, thank god, its been a long time coming but to take away ip shoulda have been done like nicolas said to all none pure tanks. I can GUARENTEE this nerf will lead to hardly any solo sb's and 2weeks after the nerf people will be moaning now about how assasins are roaming in 2fg camping amg or whatever. If assasins can't solo a tak anymore they wil simply grp up and gank them its the nature of the game.
Think they should give us a full respec then so i can go back to 50CS and start 1 hitting them epic casters again.
P.S To Karlophin out of all tanks BM's/Zerks/Mercs are the hardest for an assasin to take and 800dmg is 1 very high crit from pin (must be close to 400base 400crit). I hate duel wield tanks and so do the majority of other assasins so ur obviously doing something wrong if u get owned so badly by them.
BRING ON THE NERF!
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belth
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Karlophin, if you get perfed by a INFIL for 800+, maybe you should wear some armor? With 57 total CS my PA was capped at 723 damage with a gauche - I suspect a guarded rapier or a gladius would push it past 800 by a small amount. Result - you're wearing gray armor :sleeping: Also, infil having high basedamage? Ok yeah, with high enh buffs I have the weapskill of a unbuffed light tank (1200+). Guess they go to around 1500-1600 with same buffs. 33% difference without buffs 
Regular perfs went for about 250-300 on people with high thrust resists and with luck along the 500 mark or so on standing casters. Then comes along a SZ and proceeds to hit me for 250-300+ in straight up melee - constantly (another LA rant). Critblades aren't a problem, one-hit-wonders that are very nerfed already.
PA chain with all 3 styles did maybe 600 or a bit more on average... QC a nuke and I lose nearly as much. Or be green-con and QC PBAoE, hits me for 600+... SC will just make those low perfs become 150-250 at best with the full chain doing maybe 400 and on casters maybe total of 700 damage. Oh wait, it's just PA that'll hit on any class with a shield or parry ability, CD got parried/blocked 1v1 ungrouped a lot before 1.52, gg there too.
Most posters in this thread know jackshit, they only remember that one time they were AFK in Emain bowl, sitting and wearing no armor while some purple-con assassin came and killed them
With 57 total CS my PA was capped at 723 damage with a gauche - I suspect a guarded rapier or a gladius would push it past 800 by a small amount. Result - you're wearing gray armor :sleeping: Also, infil having high basedamage? Ok yeah, with high enh buffs I have the weapskill of a unbuffed light tank (1200+). Guess they go to around 1500-1600 with same buffs. 33% difference without buffs Regular perfs went for about 250-300 on people with high thrust resists and with luck along the 500 mark or so on standing casters. Then comes along a SZ and proceeds to hit me for 250-300+ in straight up melee - constantly (another LA rant). Critblades aren't a problem, one-hit-wonders that are very nerfed already.
PA chain with all 3 styles did maybe 600 or a bit more on average... QC a nuke and I lose nearly as much. Or be green-con and QC PBAoE, hits me for 600+... SC will just make those low perfs become 150-250 at best with the full chain doing maybe 400 and on casters maybe total of 700 damage. Oh wait, it's just PA that'll hit on any class with a shield or parry ability, CD got parried/blocked 1v1 ungrouped a lot before 1.52, gg there too.
Most posters in this thread know jackshit, they only remember that one time they were AFK in Emain bowl, sitting and wearing no armor while some purple-con assassin came and killed them
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karlophin
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Theory, shadowblades Ive never had a prob with, only infils, I remember having a great fight with you, or the old theory outside amg in mid once which lasted so long we bassicaly both ended up giving up and waving at each other and sitting down. That was damn fun
Its a case of you win some you lose some but I know Im not the only BM to be owned that badly by pin So, hats off toy pin, buffed or not you play an assasin very well
Its a case of you win some you lose some but I know Im not the only BM to be owned that badly by pin
So, hats off toy pin, buffed or not you play an assasin very well
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well i think we can all agree the only thing this patch will do is force more stealth gank groups? and if im not wrong its something which everyone fears? so bring on the nerf patch because i love stealth gankage.
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bishibosh
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cant wait, itll actually be worth fighting back when a shadowblade attacks (from scout point of view, i dont care if u tanks have no problems etc )
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dexa
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only 1 solo char left to neft badly
minstrals
like someone sad before how hard is it to make u lose buffs
if u not in the same range like when u get rlmp.
minstrals
like someone sad before how hard is it to make u lose buffs
if u not in the same range like when u get rlmp.
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karlophin
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Mate, I was wearing epic armour and hitting a minstral
I have to admit Ive never been hit for this type of damage before, and then pin managed to do it too me twice on consecutive occasions. All I could do was laugh.. a lot... and say ouch, that really really hurt
I have to admit Ive never been hit for this type of damage before, and then pin managed to do it too me twice on consecutive occasions. All I could do was laugh.. a lot... and say ouch, that really really hurt
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belth
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Maybe Pin has a nice amount of MoPain... Only other reliable explanation, besides the crap armor.
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Shaz][
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People that say infils run after their archer class then own them unstyled...wtf?
Did you gimp yourself somewhere?
Unstyled, assassin class dmg is piss poor, pa can hurt but if you have a stealth char you should never get pa'd...
Assassins without buffbots are fine, those with are harder, so ya, like most ppl here I'd say blame buffbot users.
On another note, to be brutally honest a solo infi/sb after this patch will not keel a melee ranger. No chance in hell
Did you gimp yourself somewhere?
Unstyled, assassin class dmg is piss poor, pa can hurt but if you have a stealth char you should never get pa'd...
Assassins without buffbots are fine, those with are harder, so ya, like most ppl here I'd say blame buffbot users.
On another note, to be brutally honest a solo infi/sb after this patch will not keel a melee ranger. No chance in hell
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As for IP for tanks/light tanks... got 55 blades, 30 cd, evade 3 and dodger 2, mop any day now and rf armour (resist to slash) + good resists. Therefore I'm a light tank?
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*cough* See hidden *cough*
No camouflage for us and in any large fight i always get 90(-90) dmg on my shouts now because of the new castable 10 minute duration body resist buffs. Not so much of a problem if i solo but see hidden takes care of that.
About time assasins got a nerf, just need to fix buffbots and chanter pets now and im happy
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NERF SCOUTS!
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Tranquil-
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Couldn't agree more
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I don't understand why those wuss assassins are whining
they never attack alone , like you need IP
they never attack alone , like you need IP
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yog-hurt
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Originally posted by Aussie-
I don't understand why those wuss assassins are whining
they never attack alone , like you need IP
??? .....i solo LOTS