Harvey Weinstein

[Bodhi]

Special Emmy award for Spacey withdrawn

Right, so everyone has basically presumed his guilt because a guy said it happened all those years, despite there being zero evidence, zero witnesses, no trial and the alleged perp saying that he didn't remember it happening. It's starting to get very murky indeed. Guilt presumed.

If Spacey turned round and sued for defamation, and won, would everyone be falling over themselves to bring him back into the fold?

I guess its like Barrymore, no case to answer, career over, although in that case it appears to be plod at fault, as well as the tabloids and howling masses.

Yep, welcome to "civilization", circa 2017.

Well summed up here - Kevin Spacey is innocent

 

[Wij]

Yep, welcome to "civilization", circa 2017.

Well summed up here - Kevin Spacey is innocent

Spiked in being contrary to prevailing opinion shocker

 

[Raven]

"Opinion" being the word here. None of this guilt is based on fact, just opinion.

I haven't heard any actual accusations, except this single one from years ago. A Reddit post is not proof of anything except someone's opinion. I imagine if you searched on Reddit you could find a post that said pretty much anything, infinite monkeys and all that. Or Reddits case, an infinite amount of people that think their opinion is fact and an over active need to share it, with everyone.

I am not defending him, I have no idea if he is a big fan of surprise sex or not, but then neither am I sharpening the pitchfork.

 

[BloodOmen]

Yep, welcome to "civilization", circa 2017.

Well summed up here - Kevin Spacey is innocent

That article lost me at

"likely, in fact — that Mr Rapp misremembers what happened that long ago. We all have foggy memories of decades-old events."

Sexual abuse (or attempted sexual abuse) is not exactly something someone would forget... he was 14, not 4. Look how old the majority of savilles victims were, did they misremember too? (not implying what spacey did was as bad as saville, just using the age thing as an example)

Do I think Spacey did 'it' absolutely, between older posts dating back months before this came to lightpointing towards Spacey being shady and his response by trying use get out of jail free 'i'm gay' card.

 

[Raven]

Posts by whom though?

 

[BloodOmen]

Posts by whom though?

I don't know? like the one ECA posted as a pure example, posted 5 months before any of this Weinstein stuff kicked off.

It pointing towards Spacey trying to suck men off and now Spacey comes out as Gay? hell of a coincidence.

I'm also wondering if Seth Macfarlane knew about them both too and if so, how?

"Following the tide of allegations against Harvey Weinstein, it was pointed out that Seth MacFarlane made a very clear joke about his alleged misdeeds back at the 2013 Oscar nominations announcement.

After revealing the Supporting Actress nominees, he quipped: "Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein."

This morning, following actor Anthony Rapp's claims that Kevin Spacey made unwanted sexual advances on him at a party when he was 14, a 2005 clip from Family Guy, Seth MacFarlane's cartoon, circulated in which baby Stewie is dared to run through a mall naked shouting: "Help! I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement!"

 

[Ormorof]

Seems a lot of this stuff has been an open secret in the industry for a long time

 

[DaGaffer]

I'm kind of with the Spiked article tbh. Even though there's been lots of rumours about Kevin Spacey for donkeys years (I remember some rumour when he was based in London 10-15 years ago), and what Anthony Rapp says may well be true; but it's not good enough to say "that's proof enough for me" and get the pitchforks out. It's a mob mentality that can take us down a very dark road.

 

[Bodhi]

That article lost me at

"likely, in fact — that Mr Rapp misremembers what happened that long ago. We all have foggy memories of decades-old events."

Sexual abuse (or attempted sexual abuse) is not exactly something someone would forget... he was 14, not 4. Look how old the majority of savilles victims were, did they misremember too? (not implying what spacey did was as bad as saville, just using the age thing as an example)

Do I think Spacey did 'it' absolutely, between older posts dating back months before this came to lightpointing towards Spacey being shady and his response by trying use get out of jail free 'i'm gay' card.

Hardly surprising you don't agree with the article, your last line is pretty much making his point for him. You also very helpfully point out the difference between this case and Savile (note the single l) - this is one allegation (until the metoo bollocks starts up), Savile was accused by hundreds.

 

[Raven]

I don't know? like the one ECA posted as a pure example, posted 5 months before any of this Weinstein stuff kicked off.

It pointing towards Spacey trying to suck men off and now Spacey comes out as Gay? hell of a coincidence.

I'm also wondering if Seth Macfarlane knew about them both too and if so, how?

"Following the tide of allegations against Harvey Weinstein, it was pointed out that Seth MacFarlane made a very clear joke about his alleged misdeeds back at the 2013 Oscar nominations announcement.

After revealing the Supporting Actress nominees, he quipped: "Congratulations, you five ladies no longer have to pretend to be attracted to Harvey Weinstein."

This morning, following actor Anthony Rapp's claims that Kevin Spacey made unwanted sexual advances on him at a party when he was 14, a 2005 clip from Family Guy, Seth MacFarlane's cartoon, circulated in which baby Stewie is dared to run through a mall naked shouting: "Help! I've escaped from Kevin Spacey's basement!"

But I could go on Reddit, make an account and claim Tim Henman assaulted someone I know's next door neighbours brother's dog, it wouldn't make it true, it wouldn't make it not true either, it would make it a random post on a random website where all sorts of muppets say all sorts of random nonsense.

It's extremely dangerous to believe everything you read on the internet, especially that which just claims someone is "dodgy" with absolutely no dates, places, people to back it up.

Again, I am not saying he did it or not, I have no idea but I am certainly not going to presume his guilt based on a post by some nobody on a website.

 

[Scouse]

What's pissing me off is this: "Kevin Spacey loves to meet straight men at parties and events, and use his celebrity to lure them to after parties where he gets them drunk and high, and then suddenly tries to blow them"

So? Gay man wants to suck dick shocker. Gay man wants to suck straight dick because "oooooooh!" shocker.

If you get drunk, high and then say yes to Kevin Spacey you get your dick sucked. As long as you're not 14, big fucking deal.

Any adult making a come-on to any other adult, when they're not in a massive position of power to abuse, is fair game...

 

[Gwadien]

Basically Kevin Spacey isn't acting on House of Cards.

 

[BloodOmen]

Basically Kevin Spacey isn't acting on House of Cards.

Not anymore he isn't, they cancelled it. (yes I know what you meant before you say )

 

[georgie]

Do I think Spacey did 'it' absolutely, between older posts dating back months before this came to lightpointing towards Spacey being shady and his response by trying use get out of jail free 'i'm gay' card.

lol, I really hope you never get called up for jury service.

 

[Jupitus]

The thing that annoys me about all this shit is why, oh why, oh why the diddly cunting kerfuckity hell can't he or others pronounce his name properly? Sure, you can decide for yourself if 'ei' is pronounced as 'eee' or 'eye' but don't do it one way then the other in the SAME FUCKING WORD!!!

It's not Albery Einsteen, is it, for fuck's sake. Cunts.

 

[Litmus]

seems like half the population has been felt up by either a movie star or politician in the last few weeks. Like the saville thing, one drops the bat and 3000 come forward, makes me wonder how many are genuine tbh

 

[Raven]

Ok, now I am confused

PM's deputy investigated over 'suggestive' text

He basically said, I think you're hot, fancy a drink sometime?

Yes, I know he is an old duffer but Tory activists are probably into all that anyway. But not entirely sure what he said wrong? (If he said it ofc)

Are we not allowed to make sexual advances any more? Should we as a species get mediation to start a relationship? Perhaps some sort of contract previous to a relationship, that stipulates what can happen and when?

 

[Gumbo]

Ok, next question then. If it was such an open secret in the industry, why the fuck give such a cunt a special emmy.

Cos they love blowing smoke up each others asses in entertainment circles. Amongst other things.

But I could go on Reddit, make an account and claim Tim Henman assaulted someone I know's next door neighbours brother's dog.

I fucking KNEW IT!

 

[DaGaffer]

Ok, now I am confused

PM's deputy investigated over 'suggestive' text

He basically said, I think you're hot, fancy a drink sometime?

Yes, I know he is an old duffer but Tory activists are probably into all that anyway. But not entirely sure what he said wrong? (If he said it ofc)

Are we not allowed to make sexual advances any more? Should we as a species get mediation to start a relationship? Perhaps some sort of contract previous to a relationship, that stipulates what can happen and when?

The argument will be that it was an abuse of power in a work situation (even though it wasn't), because apparently we're all Americans now with deep hangups about sex. I have to say I'd be really interested in what the European media is saying about all this hysteria; baffled amusement probably.

 

[Raven]

I suppose, but its only hysteria from certain sections, the easily offended.

Now obviously rape and actual assault should be taken extremely seriously but a clumsy attempt at hooking up with someone? do me a favour. Its probably damaging to real assault cases in fact.

Its just an extension of the me me me, look it happened to me too, incluuuuuuuuuude meeeeeeeeee, me me me crowd.

Acutely dull people who feel they need to have some sort of gimmick in the "public profile" to appear interesting.

 

[Scouse]

After appearing in a corset in the Times, Damien Green (who I think is a cunt) sent the woman in question:

Long time no see. But having admired you in a corset in my favourite tabloid I felt impelled to ask if you are free for a drink anytime?

And is being accused of innapropriate behaviour.

WTF? DON'T FUCKING POSE IN A CORSET YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO MENTION IT, YOU CUNT!

Ashamed as I am to say it - this is actually a case of a woman dressing in a way that "asks for it". If she expects to dress in a corset, pose for a national newspaper and then have nobody to have an opinion then she's an idiot.

Apart from the fact that A) a corset is a piece of clothing that's designed to stir up sexual feelings, B) a newspaper is firmly a public space, and, I think, C) the text above is pretty much as gentle a mention as it could be (hardly even a come-on - could simply be construed as being friendly) - if you pose in a corset in a national newspaper you should expect to be propositioned sexually.

And not only that, if you're bold enough to pose in a corset for the nation, you should be mature enough to handle whatever comes your way.

However, I could be wrong. I'd like a woman's perspective. @Yoni - am I a horribly oppressive twat for thinking (on the basis of the information in this article only) that this woman's an overprivileged snowflake and deserves to be slapped with the libel case?


Edit: FFS. Just seen @DaGaffer's post. But still, above stands.

 

[caLLous]

I'm glad your link didn't lead to Damien Green in a corset.

 

[Scouse]

I'm glad your link didn't lead to Damien Green in a corset.

Yeah, I considered amending that, but it was already a link and I couldn't be arsed fucking about

 

[Gumbo]

At my first job, my supervisor got what he described as a wicked titwank from the admin lady in the office just after closing. Inter-employee dating was extremely common, and because it was before texting was commonplace it often started with a bit of suggestive flirting. More than one of the couples that started that way have since got married and had kids.

At my second job, my immediate supervisor had an affair with a driver and ended up leaving his missus and moving away, I have no idea how that started. The boss then had an affair with another driver, his missus let him stay, but he had to leave the job. That started with jokey flirting and texting. (I think it was the texts that got him busted). I had a flirty relationship with a driver who was seeing someone. This escalated and almost 12 years later we're still together and most of you have seen quite a lot of her tits. There was continuous relationship forming and breaking down. There were advances and rebuttals. We were adults.

This is all beginning to get a bit ridiculous. It's strange as we're getting less religious as a people, the rules around dating appear to be becoming more puritanical.

In the example of the mp above. From that article (that's all the source I have) has done NOTHING AT ALL WRONG!!!! Had she rebuffed him and he'd then kept pestering her, then he has done something wrong. Sending one message asking if someone wants to go for a drink is fine.

 

[Scouse]

Totes.

 

[Raven]

Seems Rose McGowen is using it as an excuse to get out of being busted for transporting coke.

Classy.

 

[Scouse]

Seems Rose McGowen is using it as an excuse to get out of being busted for transporting coke.

Classy.

Or someone's using Rose's coke transporting as an excuse to deflect from the much more serious crime of sexual assault.

 

[Tom]

Stuff about corsets.

Woah there tiger. Corsets serve different purposes, some aesthetic, some medical. Is this image really of someone "asking for it"?



Nope.

 

[Raven]

Asking for more cake.

 

[Scouse]

Asking for more cake.

This.

Woah there tiger. Corsets serve different purposes, some aesthetic, some medical. Is this image really of someone "asking for it"?

If you're posing for a national newspaper in a corset then it's hardly a medical use is it.

If it's aesthetic, then I refer back to my original post. Lets not beat about the bush - corsets (for those purposes) are designed to make people look good. Looking good is, ultimately, a sexual function. Corsets were literally invented to pin the waists of women in, bring their tits up, asses back - to conform to some 18th Century sexual ideal.

I think you've had a emotional reaction to the phrase "asking for it" tbh Tom - I used it deliberately. Perhaps a better wording should be "if you pose in a corset in a national paper you should fully expect sexual advances to be made after publication".

And I don't see anything wrong with that at all.