Harvey Weinstein

[Scouse]

The guy

I posted about a lot more than him and this case. Much wider subject matter to engage with...

 

[Raven]

I got hugged today, BY A MAN FFS, I am wondering whether to cry rape, i might have PTSD and all sorts.

At least a week off work.

 

[old.user4556]

MAN

Your gender assumption is personally offensive and frankly violates my personal boundary which is in itself a form of rape.

 

[Job]

I raped myself last night and I have to deal with the perpertrator every morning in the mirror.

 

[Ormorof]

Someone earlier in the thread asked why these people didnt come forward sooner... read the last few posts and toy will have your answer

 

[Raven]

Its ok lads

Perry: Fossil fuels can stop sex assault

 

[Raven]

According to some random nutbar, a facebook friend request is harassment.

Can a Facebook friend request be 'harassment'?

Pretty dumb thing to do but harassment? Sort yourself out love.

This sort of thing is why people don't report genuine cases, because its just a torrent of bullshit and false claims from people desperate for attention.

Edit, turns out he was fired.

 

[Gwadien]

Someone earlier in the thread asked why these people didnt come forward sooner... read the last few posts and toy will have your answer

Yes.

Greasy males judging situations they don't have a clue about.

 

[Raven]

WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE

 

[Scouse]

WHITE MALE PRIVILEGE

I don't think that it's anything to do with race, but it's definitely about male privilege in this case.

But then, sexual assault isn't always about men.

 

[Gwadien]

I don't think that it's anything to do with race, but it's definitely about male privilege in this case.

But then, sexual assault isn't always about men.

Ofc it is.

But trivialising it because of a couple of odd cases is fucking ridiculous.

@Raven if your wife comes home and says oh this old rich man touched my knee and was asking me to come home with him, and it's obviously has some emotional* issues with it - you gonna tell her to man the fuck up or you gonna deal with it?




* Emotion - a strong feeling deriving from one's circumstances, mood, or relationships with others. (Put a definition in for you because you probably don't know what it means, you're too manly for it.)

 

[Raven]

Who asked who to "come home with them" ? Someone was asked out for a drink, not asked to go to bed...

Or are you actually saying, a friend request on facebook (for example) is the same thing as "asking someone back to their place"

But to answer your question, she would tell them to fuck off and go about her business, as would most normal, emotionally stable people.

What has being "manly"* got to do with anything?

*I actually take issue with you suggesting only males "manly" can be emotionally stable and mature.

 

[Scouse]

Agree with what you're saying above @Gwadien but at the same time it looks like you're saying it's very rarely women.

I'd counter that. It's quite regularly women with both sexual assault and sexist comments. It's massively underreported because it's water off a ducks back for most men - precicely because of that male privilege - but don't for a second think that women don't do exactly the same thing (touching, grabbing, suggestive remarks etc. etc.).

If we lived in a matriarchy rather than a patriarchy then men would be downtrodden in much the same way.

Or are you actually saying, a friend request on facebook (for example) is the same thing as "asking someone back to their place"

@Gwadien's talking about something else, so your reply doesn't really make much sense.

But yeah, a doctor asking a patient he's treating if he can add her to facebook is pretty inappropriate. I'd feel pretty fucked off. But I'd say "fuck off" rather than report him - but then, if he's asking every female patient he comes across then that's a clear pattern of abusing his professional position - and reporting him may stop him doing that.

It's not like the medical profession has a long line of people who've been doing massively inappropriate things to their patients and getting away with it because of their position of power and responsibility is it?

A random in the street, or someone in a social situation asking for a Facebook friend request is clearly not inappropriate. But you knew that the story was about a doctor and promoted your false OUTRAGE as you so often do.

Nuance. It's not hard.

 

[Scouse]

A doctor asking a nurse on the other hand....

 

[Gwadien]

I'm not even referring to the whole Facebook thing - that's an article someone here as pulled up just to trivialise the issue.

 

[Raven]

But for the most part, it is trivial. Asking someone out for a drink is a normal human interaction, even someone married, its not illegal. It is not in the least bit like sexual assault or rape. People complaining it is are broken, emotionally and should seek help.

Touching someone on the knee is nothing like sexual assault either, what about arm, or shoulder? When did knees become sexualised?

 

[Scouse]

But for the most part, it is trivial.

In case you've forgotten - you posted this as an example:

Can a Facebook friend request be 'harassment'?

It's a doctor abusing a position of power. Which isn't trivial. And then you trivialised it with stupid macho male-privilege "lad" language:

Pretty dumb thing to do but harassment? Sort yourself out love.

That sort of boorish, low-rent behaviour is exactly why @Ormorof posed this:

Someone earlier in the thread asked why these people didnt come forward sooner... read the last few posts and toy will have your answer

Yep Ormorof. Exactly.

 

[DaGaffer]

@Raven if your wife comes home and says oh this old rich man touched my knee and was asking me to come home with him, and it's obviously has some emotional* issues with it - you gonna tell her to man the fuck up or you gonna deal with it

I would absolutely expect her to man up and I’d be incredibly surprised that she would be traumatised in the slightest (let him down gently, laugh in his face or kick him in the nuts would all be possible outcomes), because she’s a grownup who’s actually dealt with real problems.

On the other hand if he offered us a million quid so I can build my dream architecture project we’d have to think about it.

 

[Raven]

Genuine question @Gwadien, how do you instigate a date, or a relationship these days? Do you ask someone you are attracted to out for a drink or whatever? Or is it all apps and shit now. Is it genuinely frowned upon to be attracted to someone and asking them straight up? I would worry for the future if that is the case.

I would think instantly judging someone on looks alone and swiping left or right is far more of a thought crime than asking them if they would like to go out sometime, or whatever.

 

[Scouse]

I know you keep bringing up clearly non-harrasment situations @Raven. Dating is dating, and just that - but the example you gave was clearly harassment.

I think people are getting caught up in what is, ostensibly, quite an easy thing to distinguish between.

I agree with @DaGaffer about @Gwadien's example though. There's a level of self-victimhood going on, but I think that's more in the press than with actual real people.

 

[fettoken]

@Raven has become @Big G

 

[Bodhi]

I don't think anyone has an issue with the genuine harassment cases (which can, as Scouse says, be both Man -> Woman and Woman -> Man), which should be investigated and prosecuted with the full force of the law - it's some of the more spurious allegations at the moment (knee touching, asking out for a drink) that are winding people up, as they take attention away from the serious cases.

I'm also struggling to see the grief Hartley-Brewer is getting from the feminazis for suggesting it wasn't a big deal. Apparently that makes you part of the patriarchy! Slight issue I have with that - most of the people in positions of power in the UK are....female. Kind of fails the first test for a patriarchy, which is defined as "a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it.".

 

[Job]

The problem of course is the old fashioned punch in the face is no longer considered suitable in the 'modern' world.
Instead we agonise over every tiny detail, treat the entire thing like a court of law, constantly change the rules to line up with the latest sensibilities and then accuse in hindsight.
I'm not sure which is the better anymore, probably when when technology allows, you go up to someone, behave inappropriately and an image of their large father/brother pops up with your exact location beamed to them.
That would stop an awful lot of it.

 

[Scouse]

most of the people in positions of power in the UK are....female.

Fucking LOL

Seriously? Jeesus fucking christ.

FTSE 100 CEO's called David outnumber female CEO's of any name. As do men called Steve or Stephen.



Seriously @Bodhi. Sometimes you fail so hard it's like talking to Job. Speaking of which:

The problem of course is the old fashioned punch in the face is no longer considered suitable in the 'modern' world.behave inappropriately and an image of their large father/brother pops up with your exact location beamed to them.
That would stop an awful lot of it.

Yeah, punching people is fucking great. "Don't you fucking look at my sister you cunt".

You utter fucktard.

Jeesus - you *really* need to leave Liverpool. The main reason I never went back to that area is that there's an unimaginable amount of fucking idiots who think just like you - and it's definitely specific to Liverpool. Whilst it's a very forward thinking place in some respects it's also massively backwards in others. Properly 80's school-bully idiocy.

 

[Bodhi]

It was blatantly fucking obvious I was talking about politics you mong - Currently we've got a female PM, female chief of the Met, a female Home Secretary, female Welsh and Scottish First Ministers, and probably a few others I've missed. Going by the definition above - a system of government that excludes women from power, I'd say we're pretty fucking far from a patriarchy these days. The world of business is slightly different, but then that discussion is digging up the Google Memo again, looking at equality of opportunity vs outcome and all that jazz.

But of all the accusations you can level at our current Government, being run by men isn't one of them.

 

[Tom]

But of all the accusations you can level at our current Government, being run by men isn't one of them.

Seems pretty obvious to me that our female Prime Minister isn't actually in charge.

 

[BloodOmen]

Seems the police are taking Spacey allegations seriously.

British police investigating sexual assault allegation against Kevin Spacey

 

[Scouse]

It was blatantly fucking obvious I was talking about politics you mong -

No it wasn't - that's why you amended the quote to exclude "society" in your reply.

But either way, you're still wrong - it's definitely a patriarchy, and I'm benefiting from it nicely, thanks very much. I'm under no missapprehension as to who wears the trousers in this world - still very much men.

 

[Job]

Fucking LOL

Seriously? Jeesus fucking christ.

FTSE 100 CEO's called David outnumber female CEO's of any name. As do men called Steve or Stephen.

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Seriously @Bodhi. Sometimes you fail so hard it's like talking to Job. Speaking of which:


Yeah, punching people is fucking great. "Don't you fucking look at my sister you cunt".

You utter fucktard.

Jeesus - you *really* need to leave Liverpool. The main reason I never went back to that area is that there's an unimaginable amount of fucking idiots who think just like you - and it's definitely specific to Liverpool. Whilst it's a very forward thinking place in some respects it's also massively backwards in others. Properly 80's school-bully idiocy.

Ha..go fuck yourself scouse...its not a 'Liverpool' thing, goes on all over the world.
Id love to visit this nirvana you live in now...Im beginning to think its a small place between your ears.

 

[Raven]

Uncle Jeremy is being a bit tight lipped about wanging a guy that he knew was a perv into his shadow cabinet, isn't he? "no comment" really Jeremy?

Funny, he had loads of stuff to say about knee touching a day or two ago, actual sexual harassment, not so much.