"Gimpes"

[Ialkarn]

1 Farek 3,609,018 74,824 50 First Cohort Briton
2 Regtur Nova 3,413,069 20,599 50 Guardians of Light Briton
3 Hatjitjai TheDragon 2,933,725 84,421 50 Black Falcons Highlander
4 Gwalmar Faithbringer 2,512,608 93,824 50 Black Falcons Highlander
5 Zael TianXiaWuDi 2,355,768 90,516 50 Black Falcons Highlander
6 Gregorian 2,305,607 62,227 50 Guardians of Light Highlander
7 Metalwolf 2,136,325 12,890 50 First Cohort Highlander
8 Parlain AskKhalenForCashHeRich 2,114,938 108,416 50 First Cohort Briton
9 Sighfi Gh 2,109,468 4,993 50 Black Falcons Briton
10 Ckiller OfDust 1,637,299 33,690 50 First Cohort Highlander
11 Maramar GimpPalladin 1,392,117 9,105 50 Black Legion Highlander

12 Konnorel Ulfdewyn 1,364,234 44,122 50 Angels of Retribution Briton

note: the n.12 it's the first 2h pali in rank

Then we have another long list on s/s specced palis.
Those palis ,saying they do well whit a 2h spec and get often groups, are ppl didn't RvR enought to value how what it's good and what not,the basically have no clue about how a good group have to work,many of them prolly didn't join any.

Now flame me and accuse me of elitisme.
RP aren't all? I agree...but numbers never lie,a certain ammount of RP mean you spend a certain time in emain..so you are supposed to have a better knowledge about how RvR work than someone isn't even in the top 100 of his class.

Seeaira Tempest 125,858 (Last week: 13,186) Realm Rank Myrmidon (RR3)
Rank 2942
In-realm Rank 1093
Class Rank 113

That it's 3 days of RvR.

You should test better the things you are talking about,before come here and spit sentences about something you ignore.

 

[Sol-]

Originally posted by tepes

Its true the s/s job is to be a blockbot for clerics/casters, but i dont see many s/s doin this.

maybe you shud liek try and get a good grp insted of running with your little zerg insted mmk xDxDxD

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by parlain
Paladins can insta taunt to stop casters

You should remove this one from your sig. the rest is good though

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by Pin
And yet again Glottis shows how retarded he is.

For a start Belomar wasn't commenting on Falcor wishing to claim a drop, he was pointing out the hypocrisy in saying that he wants to see the drops being used whereas he himself has several vaults loaded with items which basically never get wielded.

And also Belomar has lead many raids, both PvE and RvR, but I am sure virtually everyone other than you is aware of this.

No, I'm not aware of Belomar leading raids.
And yes, I did see it as an attack on Falcor.
He actually goes through a lot of trouble and shit each weekend. Not sure what he enjoys about it, with people like you bitching at him, but I guess somewhere he gets a kick out of it?
Anyway, all your lot bitching has resulted in are alliance sidi raids, although I'm pretty sure Falcor will keep his raids going.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
No, I'm not aware of Belomar leading raids.
And yes, I did see it as an attack on Falcor.
He actually goes through a lot of trouble and shit each weekend. Not sure what he enjoys about it, with people like you bitching at him, but I guess somewhere he gets a kick out of it?
Anyway, all your lot bitching has resulted in are alliance sidi raids, although I'm pretty sure Falcor will keep his raids going.
Regards, Glottis

Amazingly enough you missed the point again after it was written down 2 further times for you.

Belomar was not criticising him or attacking him for wishing to claim a drop. The point which was made was that it was hypocritical for Falcor to claim that he wanted the drops to be used when he is the biggest collector of drops in the realm, thus never getting used.

Those are two completely different topics, and you'd have to be completely brainless to get the mixed up.

 

[Hatjitjai]

Originally posted by tepes
I am a 2H pala (proud and happy one)

My specc:

50 2H
46 thrust
32 chants ( end regen 4 )
6 parry

I do 200-400 dam depends on target (instead max 100 as a s/s)

My job in rvr grp is to run end chant and assist MA with killing healers/casters.

The only reason to spec s/s is slam, but pala do a childish dam as a 1h, so if u slam an enemy u can hit him 2-3 time for max 100 dam in 9 sec, as 2H u hit him twice with 250-300 dam.
I think 500-600 dam is better than max 300 dam in 9 sec.

Block and parry work only if u are attacked from front, but in rvr enemy tanks will attack u from behind becouse u are running after healers/casters.

Its true the s/s job is to be a blockbot for clerics/casters, but i dont see many s/s doin this.

So if u want to play offensive pala go for 2h, but if u are a s/s (and u like this) then pls play defensive.

The problem is most s/s pala play offensive and call 2H-ers gimps...

Btw, for all who say "2H pala is gimp", " we lose in rvr becouse we have to many 2H pala", i tell u this:

MAKE A S/S PALA YOURSELF, if u like to kill an enemy in 20 hits.

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
fyi i hit between 150-300 depending on the one i hit,so thats not that bad keeping in mind i swing twice as fast as u do.

slam isnt only to run after caster and clerics,its a style that u can use in any occasion where an enemy somehow get out of the primary cc (purge resist demezz whatever). u can stop everything that isnt immune to stun for 9 secs

6parry = too low for a 2handed character
no 7 shield = archers free rps
2hand thrust = 75% based on str,25% based on dex -> paladin have lowest str of all "tank classes" ,paladin dont raise dex when they level.
copy seeaira's spec,its better than yours

 

[tepes]

2hand thrust = 75% based on str,25% based on dex -> paladin have lowest str of all "tank classes"


WRONG !!!

Thrust damage is based 50% STR and 50% DEX.


And so what if paladin have lowest str? We put in balance 2H paladin and s/s paladin.

And I never say "only reason of slam is to go after healer/caster".

U say u swing twice than me? Hmm i use 5.0 spd weapon, so u use 2.5 spd weapon. Its ok np, but u cant hit for 150-300 dam in rvr with a 2.5 spd weapon mate ( a gray/green con enemy maibe)

Mate, seems u dont know what u talking...


Btw, i dont pve anymore m8, so my parry is not that bad.

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by tepes
I am a 2H pala (proud and happy one)

My specc:

50 2H
46 thrust
32 chants ( end regen 4 )
6 parry

I do 200-400 dam depends on target (instead max 100 as a s/s)

My job in rvr grp is to run end chant and assist MA with killing healers/casters.

The only reason to spec s/s is slam, but pala do a childish dam as a 1h, so if u slam an enemy u can hit him 2-3 time for max 100 dam in 9 sec, as 2H u hit him twice with 250-300 dam.
I think 500-600 dam is better than max 300 dam in 9 sec.

Block and parry work only if u are attacked from front, but in rvr enemy tanks will attack u from behind becouse u are running after healers/casters.

Its true the s/s job is to be a blockbot for clerics/casters, but i dont see many s/s doin this.

So if u want to play offensive pala go for 2h, but if u are a s/s (and u like this) then pls play defensive.

The problem is most s/s pala play offensive and call 2H-ers gimps...

Btw, for all who say "2H pala is gimp", " we lose in rvr becouse we have to many 2H pala", i tell u this:

MAKE A S/S PALA YOURSELF, if u like to kill an enemy in 20 hits.

Wow.
I am stunned.
I would say that 90% of why people say Alb/Excali sucks is summed up in this post.
Why even bother to make a paladin? Why bother to group if you’re going to play as if you’re soloing?

Make a s/s pala yourself? What do you say to all the clerics who spec rejuv, all the sorc who spec mind, all the mincers who spec instruments so that their groups will be viable? They are already needed. They need a paladin in the group for chants and they need a s/s tank for guard. An armsman is a more superior dmg dealer than a 2h paladin because of tank ras and higher ws, therefore it is the BEST thing for a paladin to do the guarding. Even then, we sometimes play with a s/s paladin AND a s/s armsmen.

You hit for more sure, but you will lose virtually all fights between even numbers because you’re soloing instead of working with the strengths of the group. And yes you might win a duel but duels mean nothing.

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by tepes
2hand thrust = 75% based on str,25% based on dex -> paladin have lowest str of all "tank classes"


WRONG !!!

Thrust damage is based 50% STR and 50% DEX.

no YOU'RE wrong.

1h thrust = 50% dex 50% str
2h thrust = 75% str 25% dex

dont make me have to look it up in one of the 10 billion grab bags just to prove it to you.



plz dont tell me u dont even know how ur own spec works :[

 

[Kagato.]

Originally posted by gunner440
no YOU'RE wrong.

1h thrust = 50% dex 50% str
2h thrust = 75% str 25% str

dont make me have to look it up in one of the 10 billion grab bags just to prove it to you.



plz dont tell me u dont even know how ur own spec works :[

Beat me to it, was going to say the same thing. Its frightening how many people still get this wrong

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by Kagato.
Beat me to it, was going to say the same thing. Its frightening how many people still get this wrong

it's more frightening seeing lvl 50 ppl with good rvr experience getting it wrong ;d

 

[loxleyhood]

2h pallies do less damage and have less weapon skill than 2h arms but they have chants! Thats the summary of it all! Nothing more to it!

 

[Hatjitjai]

Originally posted by tepes
2hand thrust = 75% based on str,25% based on dex -> paladin have lowest str of all "tank classes"


WRONG !!!

Thrust damage is based 50% STR and 50% DEX.


And so what if paladin have lowest str? We put in balance 2H paladin and s/s paladin.

And I never say "only reason of slam is to go after healer/caster".

U say u swing twice than me? Hmm i use 5.0 spd weapon, so u use 2.5 spd weapon. Its ok np, but u cant hit for 150-300 dam in rvr with a 2.5 spd weapon mate ( a gray/green con enemy maibe)

Mate, seems u dont know what u talking...


Btw, i dont pve anymore m8, so my parry is not that bad.

ROFL hahahaha DDDD
str is tertiare stat/level for a paladin,on other tanks its primary or secondary,I doubt u know what that means
2h thrust is 75%str and 25%dex, find some resources if u dont know jack about this, sooooo this means the weapkill is affected by str for 75% and dex for 25%,paladins have both these stats low compared to other tanks. so a 2hslash paladin outdamages u easily, i thought u wanted dmg -> the whole reason u are 2h pally is the dmg,so why did u lower your dmg by going thrust ,shouldve gone for slash instead. your template doesn't match with your words.

If u read the previous replies i made u would know that i was a 2h paladin myself,from feb 2002 - september,a good 7 months, im s/s till now,after respec,so included with beta ive been playing the paladin class for almost 20months, but hey im just a noob,i dont know what im talking about. If u dont believe my dmg ,u can respec and test it out for yourself,i have no reason to lie to u or anyone else,any other paladin similiar spec and similiar RAs will do around the same dmg as i do, Im sure my dmg variance isnt much difference compared to a 2h slash pally(who has higher dmg than u ,cos 2h slash is pure str based) in DPS that is. why i know that? been there ,done that

 

[AbPoon]

So 2h thrust is 75% str 25% str Gunz?

Thats like 100% str aint it.

rr10 newb xD

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
1 Farek 3,609,018 74,824 50 First Cohort Briton
2 Regtur Nova 3,413,069 20,599 50 Guardians of Light Briton
3 Hatjitjai TheDragon 2,933,725 84,421 50 Black Falcons Highlander
4 Gwalmar Faithbringer 2,512,608 93,824 50 Black Falcons Highlander
5 Zael TianXiaWuDi 2,355,768 90,516 50 Black Falcons Highlander
6 Gregorian 2,305,607 62,227 50 Guardians of Light Highlander
7 Metalwolf 2,136,325 12,890 50 First Cohort Highlander
8 Parlain AskKhalenForCashHeRich 2,114,938 108,416 50 First Cohort Briton
9 Sighfi Gh 2,109,468 4,993 50 Black Falcons Briton
10 Ckiller OfDust 1,637,299 33,690 50 First Cohort Highlander
11 Maramar GimpPalladin 1,392,117 9,105 50 Black Legion Highlander

12 Konnorel Ulfdewyn 1,364,234 44,122 50 Angels of Retribution Briton

note: the n.12 it's the first 2h pali in rank

Then we have another long list on s/s specced palis.
Those palis ,saying they do well whit a 2h spec and get often groups, are ppl didn't RvR enought to value how what it's good and what not,the basically have no clue about how a good group have to work,many of them prolly didn't join any.

Now flame me and accuse me of elitisme.
RP aren't all? I agree...but numbers never lie,a certain ammount of RP mean you spend a certain time in emain..so you are supposed to have a better knowledge about how RvR work than someone isn't even in the top 100 of his class.

Seeaira Tempest 125,858 (Last week: 13,186) Realm Rank Myrmidon (RR3)
Rank 2942
In-realm Rank 1093
Class Rank 113

That it's 3 days of RvR.

You should test better the things you are talking about,before come here and spit sentences about something you ignore.

LoL I never said I was high in RR.. I dont go RvR that much as i have been helping friends always have..
Also keep in mind all of that as off like a week ago was done solo.. without groups and sometimes with Vireb.
I only started rvring in groups (zergs) a week ago.
I never liked it at first but its the way things are now.
So whats your point?

 

[gunner440]

Originally posted by AbPoon
So 2h thrust is 75% str 25% str Gunz?

Thats like 100% str aint it.

rr10 newb xD

was a typo u fag

 

[Jiggs]

the point is you dont have the experience to make these comments.

i know that maybe sounds a little harsh, but the main things i did when i started RvRing seriously was listen to other people and watch what they did, i didnt go to msg boards and tell ppl my spec/playstyle/whatever was good when tbh i didnt know jack shit!

sure ppl have their opinions but when u hear people like Hatji or Parlain talk about paladin specs you should listen!!

all those ppl on the paladin top 10 are cool guys and good players, why dont just pm them and ask some advices?

 

[Ialkarn]

LoL

Originally posted by seeaira

I never said I was high in RR.. I dont go RvR that much as i have been helping friends always have..
Also keep in mind all of that as off like a week ago was done solo.. without groups and sometimes with Vireb.
I only started rvring in groups (zergs) a week ago.
I never liked it at first but its the way things are now.
So whats your point?

read yourself again:

Originally posted by seeaira

...
This now brings me into the discussion of the thread. I decided early in the game to be a 2 handed pally.. On a daily basis I run into idiots who insist on calling me a gimp or pointing out the fact im 2 handed, as if I didn't know. I just about had enough when I was dueling a friend (kagato) and this jackass kept yelling out what a gimp I was because im 2 handed and what a waist.
Just because its not the "Norm" for a pally to go 2 handed doesn't mean im gimped, I would have to say a pally who went 2 handed thrust might be, or one who specs in thrust and slash but ffs.. What's up with all the twats calling you a gimp cause you spec the way you want to?
I happen to pay for the game just like all of you and it pisses me off when I get nagged about it.
Look at this twat who thinks we cant even lotto for drops now cause we are "gimps"
...
My point in this thread was to say.. just because its in your minds that 2 handed pallys are useless and have no reason doesn't mean they are gimps.. its because, .. you don't see the advantage of being a 2 handed pally until people start zerging to be one. most people that group with me on a regular basis are impressed with what I can do.. with the way rvr groups are going now in terms of being a tank group who needs a slammer anyways....
The US servers have already caught on to the fact we are good.. a lot are 2 handed there. You wont ever see me going S&S.. and I guarantee you will see more 2 handed pallys

Ppl are twats and idiots cause they say 2h palis are gimped,and USA well showed already how effectives 2h palis are..

You talking like you have knowledge of how a pali should spec
when you obviously know nothing about the pali role and how things going.
I saw Krane to be blamed for his language, I don't see any difference in your attitude,but atleast Krane know what he is saying.

 

[Hatjitjai]

well i must agree with seeaira that ppl should play/spec what they like and whatever fits them the most. but i will totally disagree with that 2hand spec is a better option for a paladin compared to s/s. believe me I was as hardcore in my spec when i was 2handed,just like seeaira and tempes are now. but it didnt take me much time to realise how much better s/s spec is compared to 2h ( planned to go s/s right after US announcement of the respec patch)

 

[Hatjitjai]

and 1 more thing,no offense ... I kinda notice in your words that u have some kind of an issue in being 2handed paladin

The US servers have already caught on to the fact we are good.. a lot are 2 handed there. You wont ever see me going S&S.. and I guarantee you will see more 2 handed pallys

If you are really good specced in your oppinion,why should u let what other ppl say bother u? and saying openly and loud that WE(2h paladins) are good? what do u want to archive with that? and just a few post before or after that u said about duels are mostly depending on the player,so how can u say 2 very different things at once? ( first saying it depends on the player-after said WE,2hand paladins are GOOD)

well i doubt every s/s paladin is good,same goes for 2handed,it depends on the person behind the pc. but s/s spec is better compared to 2handed

 

[tepes]

Originally posted by Hatjitjai
so a 2hslash paladin outdamages u easily, i thought u wanted dmg -> the whole reason u are 2h pally is the dmg,so why did u lower your dmg by going thrust ,shouldve gone for slash instead. your template doesn't match with your words.

I go thrust becouse thrust dam is better than slash in rvr.
Btw, i was 2H slash before..., and now i do more dam in rvr.

Agree with all those who say " s/s pala is better for grp then a 2H pala", but.... 90-95% paladins are s/s... we are a few 2h palas in realm, let us play as we like and dont blame us for albs rvr bad days.

I make my 2h pala to do a decent damage and suport my grp with my "low" end regen 4, and most important: TO HAVE FUN !!!

And about clerics, sorcs, and other support classes, I think they play what class they like... Everyone is free to play what class they want ( its only a game ).


PS: about my mistake with 50% str 50% dex .. bla bla bla..
I was wrong so ...sry.

All of u can call me a GIMPED PALA if u want, i will proudly play my 2h pala till the day when I get bored ... of this game ofc.

 

[Vireb]

Originally posted by gunner440
no YOU'RE wrong.

1h thrust = 50% dex 50% str
2h thrust = 75% str 25% dex

dont make me have to look it up in one of the 10 billion grab bags just to prove it to you.



plz dont tell me u dont even know how ur own spec works :[

in the words of the knowledgable one

no YOU'RE wrong.


k mate then howcome as a thrust 2h armsman , i buff str oo lookie my weap skill goes up , i buff dex oo lookie fuck all happens , so how does it affect my damage then ?
ok sanya said it does in some grab bag , sanya has also said staff is str based, has also said more than 50 stealth is usefull , and many other things that have been proven wrong
so uhm yeah you dont even know how his spec works
2 secs and ill just get some screenies to prove this

 

[[PS]Venom]

I've skipped a fair few posts, but would just like to make this statement before I pretty much leave the thread to it's own intentions and only check back every so often.

The original spirit of this thread was that people shouldn't be penalised, ridiculed or thought of as stupid because they choose a non standard spec. However due to unshakable opinions on both sides of the "You're gimped!" "No I'm not!" argument, both are both rabid.

Is it surprising that Seeaira and other 2h paladins (As example) are very defensive about people slagging off their choice of spec? I don't think so, the reactions in this thread have proven that there is a reason they get defensive about playing something non standard. That is where the "attitude" comes from, Hatjitjai. Eventually you so fed up of people laughing at something which is in their opinion gimped you have to scream from time to time. It is infuriating. Very infuriating.

This whole thing reminds of school, with kids picking on other kids just because they didn't wear Nike trainers or designer clothes. It's the same immature attitude, to be honest. You don't do what I want or think is right - therefore you're stupid and I'm going to pick on you because of it. This feeling is quickly reinforced by those oh so eager to jump to statistics to prove that their way is right.

Listen to ourselves. We sound like a bunch of teenagers. (Apologies to inadvertantly offending any teenagers )

Now, I have one or two observations to make about a couple of points before I take my opinion out of this thread and don't voice it again, because I feel I will find pounding my head against a wall more productive. (I'm not against one or two last twaks, but I draw the line at beginning to bleed)

Number 12 on the paladin rankings is the highest 2h paladin. This is only because it's not a commonly played spec, not due to the "rightness" of sword and shield paladins. I don't think that particually shows sword and shield superior. Just more played.

Personally when I had my big RvR stint - when I went from RR3 to RR4 - I made a lot of people go "Woah" when the gimp of the group came through and actually was some serious help. I have had on a number of occasions people saying that I had surprised them with my performance. I am happy with my abilities. I just wish people would respect that and not call me a gimp constantly just because I don't choose a cookie cutter spec. I would bet a lot of the people damning a gimp spec have never grouped with one because they think they are gimped, and will stick to that narrow minded thought because they won't give anyone a chance to show them that perhaps it's not as bad as they make out.

As a final point, I suppose it is only human nature to point and laugh at those which do not fit in with your own thoughts, and ideals. I gave up championing the 2h paladin a while ago when I realised I was never going to change anyone's opinions. This thread and the 2h bashing rekindled the fire to make people see that different is not nescessarily wrong, and it's also doused it.

Each to their own.

 

[AbPoon]

Just because you leech RP's by playing in a group doesnt mean your usfull to it

 

[Vireb]

ok here they are

Str buff

Str buff + con buff

Str buff + str con + dex

Str buff + str con + dex + dexqui

see how much dex affects my weap skill i mean huge amounts

 

[Lireihuan.china]

Long thread it is
2h paladin is gimped, as krane said.
he didn't mean to abuse any of 2h paladin, because anyone has chance to respecc sooner or later. It's ur right to keep playing and feel yourself as good respecc since u paid the subscription.
And it's other ppl's right to say that this specc is gimped.
and for Those 2h paladin, u have gimped specc doesn't means u play bad or waht, it just means you are losing some brilliant part of your charactor. Go get a stone and see how it goes.

 

[Vireb]

Originally posted by Jiggs
the point is you dont have the experience to make these comments.

i know that maybe sounds a little harsh, but the main things i did when i started RvRing seriously was listen to other people and watch what they did, i didnt go to msg boards and tell ppl my spec/playstyle/whatever was good when tbh i didnt know jack shit!

sure ppl have their opinions but when u hear people like Hatji or Parlain talk about paladin specs you should listen!!

all those ppl on the paladin top 10 are cool guys and good players, why dont just pm them and ask some advices?

uhm jiggs learn to read , she making comments she enjoys her spec DOES NOT WANT TO PLAY S+S ALREADY BEEN THERE AND DONE IT !!! and is just saying its no ones right to say OMFG YOUR GIMP YOUR 2H!!!!!! as for people saying about rp points that unless your high rr you know nothing ? ok uhm my dad the fucking mayor you know what you lasy ass peasent have no right to say shit or voice you opinions you know fuck all all of you because we're higher we know more.. so stfu and listen , nice attitude huh ,

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Jiggs
the point is you dont have the experience to make these comments.

i know that maybe sounds a little harsh, but the main things i did when i started RvRing seriously was listen to other people and watch what they did, i didnt go to msg boards and tell ppl my spec/playstyle/whatever was good when tbh i didnt know jack shit!

sure ppl have their opinions but when u hear people like Hatji or Parlain talk about paladin specs you should listen!!

all those ppl on the paladin top 10 are cool guys and good players, why dont just pm them and ask some advices?

I think this was ment to me? But let me just say this. I never was talking about RvR.. but about being 2 handed.. pvp pve i dont give a shit. Its about people playing what they want and what they like.. I was talking about people just running around yappin that people are gimps. Sorry but i dont need to be RR10 to say that.
Just because im not on the top 10 doesnt mean i know jack.. I have been playing this game as long as you.. I played in the US before any euros got it. I didnt like RvR that much it was more pve for me.. so that doesnt make them the best

 

[old.Cruel Heart]

My first char was 2h pally .. I chose it because it looked nice...

 

[Cawr]

Doh can't belive I just read all that