"Gimpes"

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by Belomar
All right, this is in no way a flame against Krane, BF, or the HB alliance who took Bledmeer. However, first of all, Belth was asking about keep retakes, and I am sorry, there is no way you can interpret that as anything other than retaking Albion keeps. Midgard keeps are for us to take, not to retake. I rarely see BF help to retake keeps in the Albion frontier.

And secondly, while Krane may have organized the Bledmeer take, you did get help from the other numerous Albs who turned up at Bledmeer to help you defend the keep. So, while the keep take itself was your work, it is not entirely fair to take credit for the defense itself. I know SS had several groups in there defending for a long time.

Anyway, this is far off-topic.

EDIT: Gah, wrote Blendrake instead of Bledmeer.

I never mentioned guilds or alleances Belomar, I din't say BF defended Bledmeer alone I just said Krane organised that.

About Bf never involved in keep retake,sorry that it's not true,

Last time we had relics in exalibur for more than one week,my guild played in our frontier for 100% of our RVR time.
got keep backs everyday,till mids zerged Exalibur back at 5 am.

and we spended all our personal cash repairing doors
I had 2.5p I used 2 this week.

GOL and especially HB did the same as us.

Aniway we are a small guild,and exluding buffbots,and secondary accounts, we have never(and never had) more than 25-26 active members.
For a so short number our support to the realm it's great and our alleance it's one of the most solid and the most effective of albion.



p.s:if you mention random keep retakes when relics aren't at home,prolly our support isn't big (we often have a lvl 10 keep around aniway) but I don't think that a big shame.

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by Rollie
lalk is a good guy and i think his english caused a few problems, well he was a good guy in UO

Well I studied French at School as secondary language,and I don't know english grammar well,that make my arguments less valid?

Does Seearia know any language except her native one?

 

[Chuffy]

I think we can sum this thread up fairly quickly.

Seeaira may play her character exactly how she likes.

A 2h Paladin has a similar damage cap to a 2h Arms. However damage caps are not a measure of effectiveness in RvR. The difference from 50 to 50+20 will be about +60-100 on your damage cap depending on the style.

A 2h paladin will do less damage than a 2h arms in rvr. Why? because of WS. You want to know how WS effects dmg in rvr? Well the best example would be mythics change to warriors. They said they were going to increase the warriors base damage. In terms of numbers this was to add 3% to the warriors base WS. So clearly WS is a direct measure of dmg. The difference between Paladin and Arms Ws is anything from 200 unbuffed to 500 buffed. So a clear dmg difference i think you'll find.

Is a 2h paladin a gimp? I would say, and also many other players experienced in rvr, that sacrificing the versatility of a shield for a very minor increase to damage is not worth it.
So if you were to say a "gimp spec" is one which causes your character to perform below its potential then yes its a gimp.

People who say a S/S is a slam bot is very much mistaken. Any paladin who does not have Guard in his main quickbar or at least 1 of 2 commonly used QB is a bad player.

Does high realm rank make you a better player? It makes you a more experienced player. I would say a player beyond RR5 has a far better understanding of the game than a rank 2 or 3. You may find this hard to accept but its true in 90% of cases.

Should 2h paladins be excluded from 2h Sidi drops? This argument does not belong in this thread.

Should sidi lotto's be rr5+ on certain items? Again, wrong thread.

Does Seeaira like to throw her toys out the pram? Yes, very much so

Does Seeaira play well with others? Only if they agree with her.

Does Krane? No

Why has Seeaira resorted to personal insults on Ialkarn and Asha to name but a few? My guess is she lacks the understanding of the game to come back with a sensible and grown up reply to valid points from experienced individuals.

Am I elitist? Yes.

 

[Rollie]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
Well I studied French at School as secondary language,and I don't know english grammar well,that make my arguments less valid?

i said your a good guy but sometimes your english makes things seem differenet, it wasnt an accusation lalk

shut up *K* boy

 

[Sol-]

chuffy wants my bum.

 

[Hatjitjai]

Originally posted by Belomar
I rarely see BF help to retake keeps in the Albion frontier.

You're partly right about this one belo,i agree.. when there are no relics we do close to 0 in our frontier except for some keeptaking from time to time for some variance. But we have taken part in every keepretake when we had relics, taken part in any keep offence for relics,taken part in any relicraid,taken part in any relic defense, Last few times we had the relics,we defended in the middle of the night at 4-5am when there were 12 or so albs total,our guild provided half of those ppl defending. Even a few times members made phonecalls to wake me up(how sick is that?!?!) cos we lacked ppl to defense.. so in the end ,my point just is.. we defend as hard or even harder than others when there is something TO defend

 

[Garnet]

Defend the right to have DF!!

 

[old.m0000]

My feelings are that you can spec how you want.

But i agree with krane on some parts, such as the fact that SI or other Uber weps should never go to non-level 50s - period. Although i do not agree that RP should play a part in who gets what.

Also i would think it a great shame that a 2-h paladin gets an uber 2-h drop instead of a 2-h armsman, but i would not change the lotto.

Also the reason people say 2-h paladins are gimps is because they are, not because they are being mean, although taunting you etc ingame is very rude, but basicly a seperate issue since most people will agree that 2-h paladins are a bit of a waste.

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
Oh yea..she got a rr10 in Nimue,but she wanna keep the name secret.

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Originally posted by seeaira
...I only started rvring in groups (zergs) a week ago.
I never liked it at first but its the way things are now.
So whats your point?
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You should talk less and think more before open your mouth,cause more you talk more you look like a stupid chick.

Seriously I love your posts. What we lack on this post is hearing someones voice as they talk, sometimes I think because of that we take things the wrong way. I know you don't know me in real life but a lot of what I say is me being myself... silly and sarcastic and nothing is ment as a direct personal insult. Or else I would say.. "You are a worthless piece of garbage and need to be shipped off to middle east with a mask to be mistaken as saddam and let our American troops blast you to hell" Now that would be a personal assault. Im not personally attacking you per say.. but the way you come across about the game. Its ok for us to disagree.
Now I will admit.. I get a little riled up at times and I did throw in that bit about you needing to learn how to speak English so im sorry. At the same time, im not sure what people expect me to do or say, if im taking up for what I believe to be right or ok then its going to be looked at as an argument or im always going to be looked at as a twat from someone. So no one wins.

On the other hand before you speak, you need to have all the facts. You sit here and point out things that are irrelevant. I said.. I only started RvRing with Seeaira a week ago.. that's true. I was telling you that's why I don't have much RP. Not that its my first time RvRing.. lol As I said before, I have a US account, I don't play it much anymore cause all my friends are here. But Just because SEEAIRA doesn't have RP's doesn't mean my cleric catarene on lancelot doesn't.
Sure im not rr10, but in no way am I a noob. Although I agree I can stand to learn a lot. Everyone can always improve in some way... So I throw back to you your personal insult to me.. talk less and LEARN the facts before you point a finger cause then you just look like a stupid waist of space for the male species. Oops.. was that a personal insult? im sorry

Jiggs.. I don't have a problem with what you said... but after dealing with all the PM's in the game I get from people or here on this board I was getting a little defensive. Sorry if I came off harsh

To end this.. I will just agree that everyone from now on can call me a gimped 2 handed pally.. ::waits for all the youre a gimp replys::

 

[Flimgoblin]

you're a gimpy 2h paladin

not that I can complain about gimp specs....

(hides his painworking necromancer, full-matter sorcerer and split-spec wizard)

 

[Eshire]

Seeaira is so RIGHT, thats it! Anyone who whine about gimps is either very young or unwise (some maybe both).

 

[old.m0000]

sorry but 2-h paladin is gimped

medium-low damage, slow damage, low defense, apart from end regen; low group utility.

compared with:

Low damage, v.high defense, high group utility (slam+end), solo v.purp con mobs when buffed etc etc etc

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by seeaira
Seriously I love your posts. What we lack on this post is hearing someones voice as they talk, sometimes I think because of that we take things the wrong way. I know you don't know me in real life but a lot of what I say is me being myself... silly and sarcastic and nothing is ment as a direct personal insult.

no ofc not,ppl called twats in this thread shouldn't take it as personal insult,it's your way to talk:aloot of cryes for youself,no sense sentences and aloot of insults to ppl dosen't agree whit you.

I don't care really if you got a char somewhere else,what you said in this thread show your poor knowledge of the game.

Everyone play to have fun like you,but apparently you have more fun when you are the center of the attention,that it's the reason you made this thread,you play a support class and you spec it weird,damaging the groups you gonna join for your own fun (cause the fun of others isn't really important,if they want last end regen they can invite a second pali),but then when someone call your spec whit his right name: "gimped" ,you jell at them whit insults.

Or maybe you started this thread to make us know someone bought you a sidi 2h sword as present?

 

[old.krane]

Originally posted by old.Kerosene
Gah.

1. 16.5 dps weapons being only lottoable by RR5+. FUCKING TOSS. If you do that then everyone becomes a greedy RP whore and in it for themselves. Sorry.. that should read MORE greedy RP whores. Not looking at anyone KRANE. Believe it or not I used to like that guy when he was pretty new to the game :/

2. 2H Pally gimp? Who gives a flying toss? It's not your character. I specced my theurg completely gimped tri-spec but ask anyone who knew me in Alb, I made it work. I could do things not many other theurgs could and other things not as well as other theurgs.

Some true colours have come out on these boards over the last couple of days. Seeaira plays to have fun, not play to win at all costs like some of you greedy RP whores.

lol...


yes....when i was new to this game u didnt even play it m8...
and yes...i dont like to get butchered all night while rvring cause of some gimp 2h paladins in my grp...

i play this game for fun...and loosing is no fun for me.

 

[Yuanyuan]

GO! use the uber sword! all the mids hibs fear u! GO

 

[Belomar]

I've consolidated a few posts into one due to inactivity yesterday. But, like I said before, my intention was never to flame BF or individual members, as I think your guild is fulfilling an important role in the realm. Besides, I know we all will need to work together to retake the relics sometime in the future.

Originally posted by Asha
As for Bledmeer, what does other groups being there have to do with anything? It was Krane's initative. And taking mid keeps does mean something when we have no relics and mids are the prime target.

I am aware that taking enemy keeps does mean something, which is why I try to organize an SS alliance keep raid at least once a week. As for the rest of my post, I don't see where the "crap" was.

Originally posted by Ialkarn
About Bf never involved in keep retake,sorry that it's not true,

I agree, which is why I said "rarely" and not "never". I am very aware of BF, and indeed all of Albion, pulling more than their own weight when we did have the relics. However, even if we have nothing to defend at the moment, I do believe there is a certain amount of pride involved in not having all of our keeps in enemy hands all the time, and for our low-levels to have DF once in a while.

Originally posted by Hatjitjai
Even a few times members made phonecalls to wake me up(how sick is that?!?!) cos we lacked ppl to defense.. so in the end ,my point just is.. we defend as hard or even harder than others when there is something TO defend

Hehe, I sometimes wished we had an automatic pager service for when my Cabalist was logged inside Excalibur waiting for the Mids. And yes, I don't debate BF's, or indeed any guild's, involvement in realm defense when we did hold the relics. I was impressed by the strong and prolonged Albion attention to our own frontier when the strength relics resided inside Excalibur.

 

[AbPoon]

Still think you might aswell make this post 300 replys

 

[Eshire]

Originally posted by old.krane
lol...


yes....when i was new to this game u didnt even play it m8...
and yes...i dont like to get butchered all night while rvring cause of some gimp 2h paladins in my grp...

i play this game for fun...and loosing is no fun for me.

I have played this game from the start and I must say according to what you wrote, you must be very young (read unwise)

 

[Treniel-]

no such thing as a gimped character? lol yeah right if u want to be just rp food for mid and hib continuously...2h pally = pointless

and krane do it cus these raids suck atm...lets give a weapon to sum1 who can't use it gfg

 

[Eshire]

Originally posted by Treniel-
no such thing as a gimped character? lol yeah right if u want to be just rp food for mid and hib continuously...2h pally = pointless

and krane do it cus these raids suck atm...lets give a weapon to sum1 who can't use it gfg

Once and for all! Depends on how you play the the damn character not how you spec him (if you not do anything really stupid), is that so hard to understand? Open your fecking mind.

 

[Imon]

LOL

I wish i had such wise and mature persons as krane and herbal to tell me how to do, they might even play for me if I ask nice.
then i would be 1337 and über and get famous on excal.....


/end of ironi



twat


you go play that 2h pally
don´t let anyone tell you what to do, then you can end up on the right side of politics
and everyone knows that left is the only way to turn
unless you are a total idiot with no brains who needs a leader to even take a shit


sorry but that kinda talk makes me pissed off

 

[mallan]

TBH i've been on 2 raids and after 2nd raid decided not to bother due to a cleric getting a merc sword (unfortunately thats the rules ), That and the fact i like a lay in over the weekend.
What i would like to suggest and if it's do-able that all rvr guilds/groups could somehow arrange a regular Sidi hunt. I admit it may not be possible to fully do sidi but im sure we could do very well.
And as for falcors/aligros raids they have rules and if u go u abide by rules np in that as far as i'm concerned gratz to them for running them.

As for buffbots having Sidi drops just laying idle at APK that needs addressing. Could u see mids/hibs allowing that? Nope i don't think so.

And as for Gimps chars well they pay their Sub they have every right to spec their char how they want (many a time i was laughed at for being thrust lol ). It all comes down to how u play ur char simple as that. To suggest that some1 who has lvl'd 5-50 (non PL) is gimped is slightly off. Theres plus's and minus's for all chars it's all a trade off i'm sure we would all like 50 in every spec lol but it would be a crappy albion if every pala was S/S and every cleric was 50 smite.

I say bring on the Gimps

Just my 2 pennies worth.

 

[old.krane]

Originally posted by Imon
LOL

I wish i had such wise and mature persons as krane and herbal to tell me how to do, they might even play for me if I ask nice.
then i would be 1337 and über and get famous on excal.....


/end of ironi



twat


you go play that 2h pally
don´t let anyone tell you what to do, then you can end up on the right side of politics
and everyone knows that left is the only way to turn
unless you are a total idiot with no brains who needs a leader to even take a shit


sorry but that kinda talk makes me pissed off

go fuck off and lvl your savage imo...

and dont talk bullshit about something u have no idea of

tard.

 

[old.krane]

Originally posted by Eshire
I have played this game from the start and I must say according to what you wrote, you must be very young (read unwise)

yes..i am 6 years old

yes..2h paladins belong to BG...and are utter gimps

i dunno which game u played from start..but deff not this one it seems..:/

2h paladins are the worst melee class in albion since...hrmm....release?

 

[Eshire]

Originally posted by old.krane
yes..i am 6 years old

yes..2h paladins belong to BG...and are utter gimps

i dunno which game u played from start..but deff not this one it seems..:/

2h paladins are the worst melee class in albion since...hrmm....release?

What did I say?

I really dont want to be rude but if you know the game like you say you do you must know that a 2h pally is able twist chants aswell as any pally, and only THAT makes him damn good!

Like the 2h elf champion everyone called a *supergimp* some time ago and what happend? Some of them havent lost a duel.

LIKE I SAID, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU PLAY THEM. A 6 year old (read unwise player) wont do good with any character except maybe an armsman.

 

[Antedeluvian]

Originally posted by old.m0000
sorry but 2-h paladin is gimped

medium-low damage, slow damage, low defense, apart from end regen; low group utility.

compared with:

Low damage, v.high defense, high group utility (slam+end), solo v.purp con mobs when buffed etc etc etc

Purple ones are easy, u need buffs only to fight hulks.

 

[Antedeluvian]

Originally posted by Eshire
What did I say?

I really dont want to be rude but if you know the game like you say you do you must know that a 2h pally is able twist chants aswell as any pally, and only THAT makes him damn good!

Like the 2h elf champion everyone called a *supergimp* some time ago and what happend? Some of them havent lost a duel.

LIKE I SAID, IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU PLAY THEM. A 6 year old (read unwise player) wont do good with any character except maybe an armsman.

Twist chants is what makes us damn good....in pve. What makes us damn good in rvr is the combo end chant/guard support habilitie/last chance ress in combat. Twist chants in rvr is only another useful tool, but u need a long fight to make the twist thing uber, and u haven't that time in rvr fights.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by mallan
TBH i've been on 2 raids and after 2nd raid decided not to bother due to a cleric getting a merc sword (unfortunately thats the rules ),

How did that happen?

If it was a saturday raid I can only imagine it was a cleric lottoing for someone else...

 

[Falcor]

ppl who moan about drops lottos me, rules, etc etc tbh dont care unless its cructive, go do ya own raid if ya wanna whine, when ppl care enough in raids to listen, ill listen to ya whines

FYI mallan cleric was lottoing for an alt

 

[Eshire]

Two more and the thread hits 300, one down and one to go.

Two handed pallys can do very well in RvR too if they play their cards right (end/guard/protect, just spend a few points at shield if you want). There are many pallys out there, so 2 pallys, one s/s the other 2h is just perfect.