"Gimpes"

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Asha
You quoted that like I said it and I didn?t. I play too much because I disagree with you? What does that have to do with how much I play? What does how much I play have to do with anything? As usual, falling back on random insults when no other answers available. I didn?t say YOU, I said 2h paladins would be overlooked for normal rvr groups in favor of 1h shield paladins.

I didn?t say you have to spec a certain way. I said don?t pretend like it?s not a gimped spec for the group compared to a shield paladin. I don?t think I said it in a nasty way, so I don?t really see the need for personal attacks. I know the difference between having a good shield pala in group and not, but I guess that means I play too much.

RvR is fun. Winning is more fun than losing. Having a chance in a fight is more fun than not. Having the right classes with the right specs gives you more of a chance. Is that elite? I don?t think so.

Because this is a post I made.. because im the 2 handed pally in question.. your thoughts are taken towards me as such.
Im not bashing you.. everyone can think what they like. But I can say i dont think i have ever been over looked because im 2 handed. In fact.. with the rvr groups going out now with NO shield arms or pallys and pure 2 handers.. the fact im 2 handed and have my chants has been a +.

 

[Chuffy]

Why did you start this thread if you did'nt want people to tell you why a 1h paladin is so much better than 2.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire
blah blah, it is very frustrating as someone who has hundreds of days /played and millions of RPs, to go on these raids to try and get particular items, and see them go time and again to people who have been playing a couple of months and who's LWRP is somewhere in the region of 1-2k at most

What if they've been playing since release - like a certain 2h paladin being discussed?

What the hell has RP got to do with deserving more on a raid? by all means give people more of a chance if they go to more raids, but RP shouldn't enter into it.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.LandShark
I believe you're saying this purely because you're not high-RR and consider him an arrogant elitist.

edit: oh, look, i skipped 5 pages

the skipping pages is my job.

I consider him a fool, and a greedy one at that.

None of the drops I would like come from Apocalypse - so where does my RR enter into it?

his RR doesn't make him do any more work on the raid - it doesn't help the raid to succeed anymore...

Why the hell should how he spends his other time in emain or not have any bearing whatsoever on the lottery?

 

[thorwyntf]

I`ve been asking this in the other thread before but didn´t get an answer yet. However, it´s too interesting to see this question diussapear unanswered, so I`ll ask again.

All you guy who´re thinking that only high rr´s should have the rights to lotto for Sidi drops:

Do you think or expect sub rr5 people to come join the Sidi raid and help making it successful?
And if so.. why?

 

[Asha]

lol

krane wasn't talking about seeaira btw

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Asha
lol

krane wasn't talking about seeaira btw

I never said he was talking about me.. but it doesnt matter because that 2 handed pally doesnt have the drop anymore..

another 2 handed pally has it

As for chuffy asking me why i made this thread lol You need to learn to read or something. I never said i wanted to know how great and ubber it was to be a S&S pally.. I just said if you are 2 handed it doesnt make you a gimp.

 

[old.krane]

Originally posted by Fagane
So all Polearm users are gimped to? Becouse if I want dammage I take an Ice-Wizard with VP. And a S&S Armsman makes a much better slam bot then a Paladin.

Fagane

O M G


u just owned yourself....badly...


learn to play the game..rather than posting total and utter bullshit here....

ice wizard doing more dmg than poler...

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by seeaira
I never said he was talking about me.. but it doesnt matter because that 2 handed pally doesnt have the drop anymore..

another 2 handed pally has it

As for chuffy asking me why i made this thread lol You need to learn to read or something. I never said i wanted to know how great and ubber it was to be a S&S pally.. I just said if you are 2 handed it doesnt make you a gimp.

yeah chuffy needs to learn to read.

Originally posted by seeaira
This isn't a whine but more of a statement or food for thought, but im sure by the end I will start whining lol.

This now brings me into the discussion of the thread.

But no one else is allowed to post an opinion!! It's a discussion as long as you agree w/ Seeaira lol... whatever.

Nice to know that guy really needed the weapon in the first place. Why not just let everyone bid on everything since we all put the effort in - if need means fuck all. I would like a chance to bid on weapons that go for 10 plat. I NEED 10 plat too.

 

[seeaira]

Originally posted by Asha
yeah chuffy needs to learn to read.





But no one else is allowed to post an opinion!! It's a discussion as long as you agree w/ Seeaira lol... whatever.

Nice to know that guy really needed the weapon in the first place. Why not just let everyone bid on everything since we all put the effort in - if need means fuck all. I would like a chance to bid on weapons that go for 10 plat. I NEED 10 plat too.

I never bid for it or paid for it.. or traded for it. was a gift to me.
And I dont mind talking about your views or thoughts.. but do you really think some of this is just thoughts.. I got "you are the worst fucking player in the game" You dont have to agree with me.. I dont care who does or doesnt but I was just saying no one is really gimp imho.. i mean yeah maybe someone who fucks up his stats going in slash crush and thrust but someone who specs the way they want .. and it works.. fine. so be it.

 

[Chuffy]

Nothing you've said proves that 2h isnt gimped.

You need to have a better case for 2h not being gimped other than "ooh look at my high damage caps"

 

[infernalwrath]

Originally posted by seeaira
This isn't a whine but more of a statement or food for thought, but im sure by the end I will start whining lol.

I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who played in the beta USA daoc release, she was talking about how she remembers when there were no horses in the realm, so you had to walk everywhere you went..
She was one of the very first to spec in mana as a chanter and so she caused an uproar when people insisted she was gimped and bashed her on the forum. It wasnt that she was gimped, it was that the idiots didnt know what to do with pbaoe, so to them, it was "gimped".

This now brings me into the discussion of the thread. I decided early in the game to be a 2 handed pally.. On a daily basis I run into idiots who insist on calling me a gimp or pointing out the fact im 2 handed, as if I didn't know. I just about had enough when I was dueling a friend (kagato) and this jackass kept yelling out what a gimp I was because im 2 handed and what a waist.
Just because its not the "Norm" for a pally to go 2 handed doesn't mean im gimped, I would have to say a pally who went 2 handed thrust might be, or one who specs in thrust and slash but ffs.. What's up with all the twats calling you a gimp cause you spec the way you want to?
I happen to pay for the game just like all of you and it pisses me off when I get nagged about it.
Look at this twat who thinks we cant even lotto for drops now cause we are "gimps"



He must think he's some freekin ubber gift to all of us at daoc and that no one else has a right to what they want. Correct me if im wrong, but had it not been for all the other people at the raid there wouldn't be a freekin lotto. Everyone has a right to spec the way they want and I know I will always be lottoing after the 2 handed swords... so sucks for you.. I have one.. 2 more to go :kissit:

My point in this thread was to say.. just because its in your minds that 2 handed pallys are useless and have no reason doesn't mean they are gimps.. its because, like my friend who was one of the first pbaoe in the game.. you don't see the advantage of being a 2 handed pally until people start zerging to be one. most people that group with me on a regular basis are impressed with what I can do.. with the way rvr groups are going now in terms of being a tank group who needs a slammer anyways.. and imo it would be boring if all of us were the same. Even though I know this will cause the 2 handed pally haters to come out and whine back.. I just wanted to say my 2 cents worth.
The US servers have already caught on to the fact we are good.. a lot are 2 handed there. You wont ever see me going S&S.. and I guarantee you will see more 2 handed pallys
/end of whine

2-hand palladins are not gimp
konnorel was is and will be 2-hand palla and a danm proud one
he is rr6 and i can asure u m8 HE PWNS
none can tell u what to do with your char spec him whatever u want to ignore all others

 

[loxleyhood]

Basically it comes down to a 2h armsman has greater damage and weapon skill than a 2h paladin, but a paladin also has chants.

 

[Ialkarn]

Originally posted by Draylor
Armsman with 2k weaponskill? Hmmmmm, thought that was called a warrior

With top buffs my armsman gets a little over 1900 WS. Those with higher RR obviously have a little more, but still under 2k

rr10 (50+20) +augment str 1 =2000+ ws

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by loxleyhood
Basically it comes down to a 2h armsman has greater damage and weapon skill than a 2h paladin, but a paladin also has chants.

You do know that everyone else in the group gets the chants too, right??

You forgot tank ras.

 

[syri]

Originally posted by Pin
Yet another elitest snob.

What the fuck does it matter if you have played more than someone else? You both went to the raid. You didn't earn it more than him, etc, etc.

Just go on another raid and wait your turn. Stop thinking that if you are higher RR that you are entitled to something more than someone else.


But your (and most other people posting things like this) problem isn't that a low RR person got it. It's that you PERSONALLY didn't get it. You would be frustrated if every time you went a RR7/8/9/10 person got the drops you wanted yet you got nothing. It's just a MEMEME attitude with a vague elitest shroud over it.

couldn't have put it better myself. put the effort in the raid, get an even chance of the rewards. if i went on a raid, i'd damn well want something out of it, or else why should i bother??
one possible idea i suppose, if you must be eliteist, is to at least give others a fighting chance, and allow rr5s a double-roll. then they have 2 attempts at getting the item, but the lower rr person is still in with a chance too. I still think this is unfair, but it's better than denying the low rr altogether.
and old.kane, um, yeah... one day, might be an idea to sit up, and let your face do the talking, cause you're arse seems to have done it all so far...

 

[syri]

oh, and on the original subject, i've been accused of being a gimp for going 50 instr, it's always been my intention even before the ablative chant came in. i can't climb walls though... boohoo.... i'll sob about that with every rr6 hib i solo...

 

[Draylor]

Originally posted by Ialkarn
rr10 (50+20) +augment str 1 =2000+ ws

Heh

My WS below 2k. Last I knew Gunnerr/your WS was below 2k too. If Im wrong - well thats hardly unusual

 

[Garnet]

imo you all need to shut up.

She specs it how she likes, its her character, she pays the subscription so let her play it in peace.

As for the rr5+ people need the Sidi weapons more thought is just selfish and greedy. imo all the people who went on the raid should be given the same chance to win.

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by Asha

But no one else is allowed to post an opinion!

I think you'll find it's the tone of some of the posts that has left a sour taste and fanned the flames - and views have become polarised on both sides of the fence.

As for the points made about epic raids...it still amazes me how anyone could disagree with the view that if you need and invite people to come along then you have to give them equal chance of getting the prizes. If they are high enough level to attend (which by implication means the organiser needs them) then you simply can't justify excluding them from drops. If you're not prepared to do that then don't invite them along in the first place. It's really very simple.

Having said that, my personal preference is for guild based invitations/lottos. Then its nobody's business but the successful guild's who gets the drop.

 

[Asha]

Originally posted by seeaira
I never bid for it or paid for it.. or traded for it. was a gift to me.

Someone paid for it, doesn't matter if it was you or someone else. I am not being critical of you for having bought it/got it. I just think it's not really fair that only certain classes are allowed to lotto for the uber tank weapons because they "need" them, when in truth a whole lot of them are getting sold the next week. That is why I get annoyed - a rr2 who doesn't rvr much is a whole lot more likely to sell an uber weapon on than a rr8/9/10 who is in fact going to use it. Well fine.

If that is how we're going to do things, then lets be open about it. All lvl 50s should be able to lotto for all items. All do /random 1000, and highest picks what he wants on down til last item is gone. Would be a damn sight faster too. This pretense of fairness is BS.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by seeaira
This isn't a whine but more of a statement or food for thought, but im sure by the end I will start whining lol.

I was talking to a friend of mine the other day who played in the beta USA daoc release, she was talking about how she remembers when there were no horses in the realm, so you had to walk everywhere you went..
She was one of the very first to spec in mana as a chanter and so she caused an uproar when people insisted she was gimped and bashed her on the forum. It wasnt that she was gimped, it was that the idiots didnt know what to do with pbaoe, so to them, it was "gimped".

This now brings me into the discussion of the thread. I decided early in the game to be a 2 handed pally.. On a daily basis I run into idiots who insist on calling me a gimp or pointing out the fact im 2 handed, as if I didn't know. I just about had enough when I was dueling a friend (kagato) and this jackass kept yelling out what a gimp I was because im 2 handed and what a waist.
Just because its not the "Norm" for a pally to go 2 handed doesn't mean im gimped, I would have to say a pally who went 2 handed thrust might be, or one who specs in thrust and slash but ffs.. What's up with all the twats calling you a gimp cause you spec the way you want to?
I happen to pay for the game just like all of you and it pisses me off when I get nagged about it.
Look at this twat who thinks we cant even lotto for drops now cause we are "gimps"



He must think he's some freekin ubber gift to all of us at daoc and that no one else has a right to what they want. Correct me if im wrong, but had it not been for all the other people at the raid there wouldn't be a freekin lotto. Everyone has a right to spec the way they want and I know I will always be lottoing after the 2 handed swords... so sucks for you.. I have one.. 2 more to go :kissit:

My point in this thread was to say.. just because its in your minds that 2 handed pallys are useless and have no reason doesn't mean they are gimps.. its because, like my friend who was one of the first pbaoe in the game.. you don't see the advantage of being a 2 handed pally until people start zerging to be one. most people that group with me on a regular basis are impressed with what I can do.. with the way rvr groups are going now in terms of being a tank group who needs a slammer anyways.. and imo it would be boring if all of us were the same. Even though I know this will cause the 2 handed pally haters to come out and whine back.. I just wanted to say my 2 cents worth.
The US servers have already caught on to the fact we are good.. a lot are 2 handed there. You wont ever see me going S&S.. and I guarantee you will see more 2 handed pallys
/end of whine

play for what you find fun, fuck the rest, in the ass. seriously.

 

[Yuanyuan]

2000+ws for an armsman is not impossible, im rr7 without aug str, and my ws full buffd is 1920, well if rr10 and aug str etc, 2000 is sure.

 

[Belomar]

Even if you're right, Krane, you seriously don't have to resort to the kind of childish language and retorts you do in this thread. Zero respect for that.

 

[Thamiles]

Give more 2-handers kthxbye

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Part of thereason that Albions are not as competitive vs Mid or Hibs is due to everybody playing their favorite classes (I do it myself, I have a scout ). I do also have a lvl 50 sorc and a lvl 50 armsman though (waiting to get a respec stone so I can ungimp him) which are classes that are more needed in rvr.

Albion has too many alternatives really, there are no 3 clearly uber classes, and the idea of an uber spec changes all the time. But what annoys me is that people can't accept their character is gimped according to the ruleset used by Mythic now, and that they should work at becoming the most use to their realm.

Nice examples are the fact that when there is a Mid zerg out in Emain, you will still see solo or grouped, or even 1fg of Albs move out of the atk, to fight the 4fg hibs or 4fg mids out there themselves. Get a fucking brain, and stay inside. Strangely enough, when there was 1fg of Albs at mmg yesterday in Emain, there was not a single solo Mid running by. The amount of free rp's people like that give away are much greater than the free rp's a gimp spec gives away, but both should be elimenated.
Regards, Glottis

 

[greenfingers]

imho:

I think it's fair that a RR2-5 gimp get's the Über swords/pole's/2H etc etc.
really, I do .. you have to think of it has an investment, if a RR2 get's a Bane for instance, then he pwns other RR2 easy, cuZ of the VERY nice stats on Bane... I know that U can craft a better weapon then Bane, but the looks of it scares a lot of chars

I just dinged RR3 with Tinny (my scout) last night, and I've got more then 50K rp's since 1.62 started, just last week ... If U take a look at Scouts last week rp's at DW (Duskwave), then look at me, why shouldn't I get Bane, Im just as much in RvR as Jerg, Arcthic and Loxley... why should a inactive Scout/Mincer get Bane, when a extreme active Scout (compared to RR) like myself RvR's every day, like 4 hours a day ??? I don't get it ...
You understand my frustration!?
I mean, any RR xx lvl 50 Scout should have a chance on Bane or anything else!!!

And I believe that U should consider the activity in RvR aswell as RR, when handing out items!!!

 

[loxleyhood]

RvR activity is unfortunatley impossible to measure.

 

[greenfingers]

RP's/week? .. look at DW!

 

[Ialkarn]

Your intentions are good Krane.. but the way you said it ...well it's debatable.
You are damn good at looking worse than you are.

I personally think the way we are used to share drops in Sidi raids fail the primary Objective (making us wear better gears to be more effective),and they encourage some ppl to exploit them (farm easy cash,join the raid whit buffbots , to collect the largest number of drops possible,etc etc).
When I RvR I hardly see Sidi drops around..so I suppose they are stuck in vaults somewhere waiting to be sold(soon or later) in e-bay whit a rich account plenty of alts and stuff.
When I face mids I often see 30-50% of them equipped whit TG gears;It's true TG is aloot more easy than Sidi,but it's also true Albion on Exalibur is well know to be far the worse equipped realm around.
What it's the point to claim a drop to not use it? I think it's weird,but it's not a fault to claim a drop if you are allowed too,the mistake it's to make it possible.

I think we should stop to do open raids and do guild raids only..sharing the drops btw guilds/groups.

Every guild getting drops would prolly assign them to the most active/effective members.
Atleast it's how the serious guilds do,and ppl would bitch less if someone inside his own guild get a drop instead of him(atleast I hope so...).
Also those raids would have less afk ppl and more balanced groups,cause the groups would have an internal discipline,something a random group can't have.


P.S:
Now someone gonna reply:what if my guild it's not able to provide a decent group/groups to those raids?
Well sort it or live whit that, or better find a group of players where your "playstyle" would fit well.