FH Fitness Thread

[leggy]

I mean over the long to very long term, like the effect it has on vital organs such as your heart and lungs. I'm in no position to make an informed opinion on the subject but as a scientific person I'd be wrong not to question it.

 

[Scouse]

I mean over the long to very long term, like the effect it has on vital organs such as your heart and lungs. I'm in no position to make an informed opinion on the subject but as a scientific person I'd be wrong not to question it.

Aye. I guess there are limits. If you're running a marathon a day for three months then it seems that the worst things that happen are a massive increase in your fitness.

I appreciate not everyone's Dean Karnazes

 

[leggy]

Aye. I guess there are limits. If you're running a marathon a day for three months then it seems that the worst things that happen are a massive increase in your fitness.

I appreciate not everyone's Dean Karnazes

Exactly. But I guess there's a difference (if you're no Karnazes, who's a genetic anomaly) between running 26 miles every day at a moderate pace to cycling 200 miles a day with a very high heart rate.

 

[Scouse]

Exactly. But I guess there's a difference (if you're no Karnazes, who's a genetic anomaly) between running 26 miles every day at a moderate pace to cycling 200 miles a day with a very high heart rate.

If it's relatively flat you could easily do 200 miles a day without too much heart stress.

I reckon I could happily do 60 miles a day on my mountain bike (big difference from road) as long as it wasn't peak-district style hilly. The thing that'd stop me would be boredom tbh...

(And a lack of cash and wanting to see friends and have a life)

 

[leggy]

Agreed. I do enough to keep those 7st from coming back and maintain (sort of) my mental health ... but boredom keeps me from doing anything silly like a marathon.

 

[Scouse]

Agreed. I do enough to keep those 7st from coming back and maintain (sort of) my mental health ... but boredom keeps me from doing anything silly like a marathon.

Boredom's the killer for me. It's why gyms don't work. Running's a no-no because when it gets hard I simply stop and walk instead (and my ankles won't take it anyway). But the cycling works - you're outside, you can't stop (how do you get home?) and the sun in your face and all the animalz and naturez make it worth it.

Off up Snowdon this weekend. Walking it on Saturday and (weather permitting) riding it on Sunday.

Gotta keep burning the stupid amount of weight I put on over xmas. It'll be fucking April before I get to my pre-xmas weight

 

[leggy]

I have a mountain bike which I mostly enjoy but I'd love to get into road cycling more. I just have a trust issue with drivers in the UK. I've seen too many accidents on the way home from work (not including school friends who have been killed) to enjoy it properly. I see the way most drivers treat road cyclists and it's appalling.

 

[Scouse]

I'd love to get into road cycling more

At the risk of upsetting Tom: Why on earth would you want to do that?

Idiot drivers, tarmacadam, petrol fumes, diesel fumes, noise, pedestrians, traffic lights, rules of the road, buses, lorries, statistically higher chance of death.

Mountain biking is: statistically higher chance of accident, beauty, nature, isolation, lack of lycra. Win

 

[leggy]

At the risk of upsetting Tom: Why on earth would you want to do that?

Idiot drivers, tarmacadam, petrol fumes, diesel fumes, noise, pedestrians, traffic lights, rules of the road, buses, lorries, statistically higher chance of death.

Mountain biking is: statistically higher chance of accident, beauty, nature, isolation, lack of lycra. Win

To use it as a mode of transport to work whilst getting fitter

But I agree with you entirely. I like breathing too much.

 

[Scouse]

To use it as a mode of transport to work whilst getting fitter

How far away from work do you live? I'd love to do that but it's a 95 mile round trip

If it's not too far you can always use a MTB - gives you the option to hop up onto pavements in a pinch and you're not going to get cunted by poorly maintained roads or bits of rock / rubbish / grids / glass against the side of the road when some twat car thinks it's funny to give you only an inch's worth of room when he overtakes you...

 

[Tom]

Exactly. But I guess there's a difference (if you're no Karnazes, who's a genetic anomaly) between running 26 miles every day at a moderate pace to cycling 200 miles a day with a very high heart rate.

Looking at his Strava data, his heart rate is extremely low - 97% of the time under 109bpm. He'll be fine. His biggest risks are probably boredom and random injuries.

 

[Tom]

To use it as a mode of transport to work whilst getting fitter

But I agree with you entirely. I like breathing too much.

Statistically you have about the same risk of being hit as a pedestrian. I doubt many people worry about being hit by a car while walking down the pavement.

The overall risk, compared to someone who doesn't cycle regularly, is much lower. Chances are you'll live many more years and be much fitter during those years. The people who worried about cycling on the road will die well before you do.

 

[Poag]

Statistically you have about the same risk of being hit as a pedestrian. I doubt many people worry about being hit by a car while walking down the pavement.

What? People who aren't on the road have the same chance as those who are?

Please provide some figures, as that seems wrong.....especially with the rate of sensible cyclist to stupid cyclist i see on my drive to work...

 

[Tom]

Well you might care to learn what constitutes a road; pavements are a part of the highway. For pedestrians, the carriageway is pretty much unavoidable. Then you have to consider just how many roads in the UK have no pavements whatsoever.

https://fullfact.org/factchecks/cyclist_safety_dangerous_pedestrian_walking_KSI_rate_olympics-27711

And please don't start with the generalisations because it's boring as fuck to read the usual "cyclists red lights blah blah" nonsense.

 

[Nate]

http://cyclinguphill.com/safe-cycling-stats-cycle-casualties/

looks like the thing

 

[Scouse]

Mile-for-mile isn't a good comparison tho Tom - cyclists cover a lot more miles than peds - which would skew the findings in their favour.

Length of time doing an activity would be a better comparison.

Yearly totals like above don't really help find out what's "most dangerous". You need an absolute comparison that compares apples to apples.

 

[Tom]

Length of time doing an activity would be a better comparison.

Which is what the link I posted mentions.

 

[Scouse]

Which is what the link I posted mentions.

I reread the link and kinda disagree with this:

there were 2,609 cycling KSIs in London per one billion trips in 2010. For pedestrians, there were 425 KSIs in London per one billion trips in 2010. For fatalities, there were 56 deaths per one billion trips for cyclists. For pedestrians, the total was 27 deaths per billion trips...This does suggest cycling KSIs are higher than that for pedestrians relative to the number of trips, however this isn’t particularly useful.

I think it is useful - because when they get further down the page you see they're trying to compare a mile on a bike compared to a mile as a pedestrian.

That analysis says a mile on a bike is safer than a mile as a pedestrian - which I've no reason to dispute. But when you take a trip on a bike you're usually going further than a pedestrian - so I think the first thing they came to - deaths per trip - is more informative IMO.

Either way - they're both pretty safe forms of transport.

My original comparison was mountain biking to road biking - and it's not the relative safety that's my biggest problem with road biking (though MTB is a far safer activity) - it's the fumes, the noise and the general unpleasantness of sharing the road and being near tarmac for me. But that's just a taste thing I guess

 

[Gwadien]

Fuck me, are you lot back on this discussion?

WE SHALL TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FH FITNESS THREAD

WE SHALL CHAT ABOUT IT IN THE RANDOM SPAM THREAD

WE WILL MUTTER ABOUT IT IN THE RANDOM ANNOYING THINGS THREAD

WE SHALL NOT SURRENDER

BICYCLES SHALL PREVAIL.

 

[Poag]

@Tom i take the facts in the linked doc and agree with the math, facts and other important bits. But as with Scouse, doing it by miles covered i dont think is a very good measure, as as has been said, cyclist just go further individually, while peds go further collectively. The deaths per billion trips seems a more relevant statistic in my mind.

Ofc in the grand total, more peds are going to die year on year, simply because (numbers from thin air) there seemed like 15-20 peds for every cyclist atleast.

TBH tho its one of those things where you can munch the numbers to fit any point of view, so its probably a moot discussion?


Re bad cyclists, not so much red lights for where i live, its the cycling at night with no lights reflectors on that gets me, i just dont know how people can look at their gear and go "Yep i feel visible in this" boggles the mind.

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Back on the thread tho, i ordered one of these today https://www.fitbit.com/uk/surge i'd been pondering a smart watch for a while and this allows me to shelve my fitbit flex, but keep the stats coming in.

Will report in once i've got it with a mini review hopefully it'll turn up before i go on hols but i doubt it.

 

[Tom]

That's why I generalised in my reply. But it's undeniable that people who cycle regularly will, on average, live longer, healthier lives than those who undertake no regular activity. In years past, as many as 40 people on average have been killed by cars while walking on the pavement.

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/road-accidents-and-safety-statistics

I've always cycled, but over the last 10 years or so I just let myself slide. I just didn't pay attention to calories in vs calories out. So while I was easily burning energy doing 1-3,000 miles a year on the road bike or the MTB, I was still eating too much. Myfitnesspal has changed all that by showing me just how quickly I can fill my daily quota of food. That, and 10,000 miles in one year

Anyhow, now I've sorted out the weight (I'm only half a stone off what I think might be an ideal weight), I've also added jogging into the mix (I'm doing 4 mile runs now), and shortly I'll be adding swimming to it as well. This year I want to see if, as well as cycling 10,000 miles, I can run a marathon or compete in a triathlon. The former will be hard, the latter not so hard.

As for smart watches and the like, I really wouldn't have minded a Moto 360, but by the time they finally arrived in UK shops the technology was too out of date. So I'm going to wait for whatever cool gadget comes up next.

 

[Tom]

Fuck me, are you lot back on this discussion?

WE SHALL TALK ABOUT IT IN THE FH FITNESS THREAD

WE SHALL CHAT ABOUT IT IN THE RANDOM SPAM THREAD

WE WILL MUTTER ABOUT IT IN THE RANDOM ANNOYING THINGS THREAD

WE SHALL NOT SURRENDER

BICYCLES SHALL PREVAIL.

We are The Cyclists. I see you are driving a *rant*. We have dispensed with such things.

 

[Gwadien]

driving

There see did what I you

 

[Raven]

I saw a cyclist pull a wheelie the other day. You don't see car drivers doing that shit.

 

[Gwadien]

I saw a cyclist pull a wheelie the other day. You don't see car drivers doing that shit.

I bet he killed himself & 25 other motorists in the process.

Infact, I bet he crawled home to upload the video onto Youtubes to show the car drivers fault, then died.

 

[Scouse]

Myfitnesspal has changed all that

I like the idea of it - but weighing my food to figure out how much I'm cooking then inputting into an app etc. Sounds like *so* much of a ballache.

 

[Scouse]

I saw a cyclist pull a wheelie the other day. You don't see car drivers doing that shit.

That's because most car drivers are lame and uncool.

I wheelie my car. But only on motorways, never residential areas, so that's ok.

 

[Tom]

I like the idea of it - but weighing my food to figure out how much I'm cooking then inputting into an app etc. Sounds like *so* much of a ballache.

You don't really have to. Most of the foods are barcoded and recognised easily. Slices of bread, apples, squares of chocolate, it's dead easy. And if you don't know, just make an educated guess.

 

[Scouse]

You don't really have to. Most of the foods are barcoded and recognised easily. Slices of bread, apples, squares of chocolate, it's dead easy. And if you don't know, just make an educated guess.

Barcoded? You scan when you shop? That doesn't mean it's gonna do weight or anything - how exactly does it work? Step-by-step for this retard?

 

[TdC]

Slices of bread

surely you mean rounds?