Eve Online

[SilverHood]

I know, I'm just trying to plan skills accordingly right now. For the next 8 or so days, I have 33 in every stat - things that with normal stats and no implants would, on average, according to Evemon, take more than twice as long...so I want to maximize these 8 days.

Note that even stats is not always optimal... Early on, you will likely be heavily focused on Ships and guns, primarily Perception and Willpower based... and support skills, mostly Intelligence and memory based. Charisma is barely used outside leadership and trade stats, so feel free to re-map, put the lowest points possible in charisma and the max possible points in Perception.

As for your WTFPWNMobile that you're after... it's called the Tengu, but it requires serious money and skillpoints to pull off. As a fairly new player using Gallente, your best bet is probably the Myrmidon.

Tilda, all roles are wanted, all the time. Even the big space empires take new players under their wing and help them get started. The biggest scarcity in eve is players who log in. You can cut your teeth in empire, learn the basics in a starter corp, and then sign up with a null sec outfit. It will likely be massive fail, but you will make friends, and you will learn and adapt or rage quit. If you survive, you'll go back to empire, lick your wounds, and then begin all over, much wiser, and much hungrier for success

If you want to run missions, aim for a Drake, then a Raven... the latter is is by far the most forgiving ship in terms of skillpoints, but you must have drones 5 and be able to field tier 2 light drones in order to do level 4's. Having a base in empire to fall back to for money is what has kept me in the game. I still have my raven somewhere, it's 5 years years old next week.

As for Supercarriers.... I have over 100 million skillpoints and I'm not ready for one... Everyone I know who has ever had one quit eve because the stress of losing it was too much. Or they sold it and just roam in Rifters now.

 

[Mkilbride]

Why do you have 33 in each stat?

Marc, if I started this, could you tell me exactly what to queue when to get somewhere?
I have no clue what I want to be, I like the idea of drones, but dont know what else. Whats cool, what are my options. I looked at ships, how do I get a Supercarrier (hah!)?

I had a Booster that came with this 5$ Steam deal. +9 from booster, +4 from Implants.

If you wanted to start anew.

Here is a really good deal:

30 day trial: http://www.markeedragon.com/index.php?product=65 (Doesn't work with the 5$ code below)

This is the deal I got: http://www.markeedragon.com/catalog/Eve_Online_Amarr_Explorer_Starter_Pack.html

Sexy deal. 30 days of game time. A nice ship, a nice booster. Of course if you go the 30 day trial + buying a month for 14.99$, you get 60 days full status.

Regardless...fairly good deal for 5$ if you wanna try the game out.

 

[Marc]

Note that even stats is not always optimal... Early on, you will likely be heavily focused on Ships and guns, primarily Perception and Willpower based... and support skills, mostly Intelligence and memory based. Charisma is barely used outside leadership and trade stats, so feel free to re-map, put the lowest points possible in charisma and the max possible points in Perception.

As for your WTFPWNMobile that you're after... it's called the Tengu, but it requires serious money and skillpoints to pull off. As a fairly new player using Gallente, your best bet is probably the Myrmidon.

Tilda, all roles are wanted, all the time. Even the big space empires take new players under their wing and help them get started. The biggest scarcity in eve is players who log in. You can cut your teeth in empire, learn the basics in a starter corp, and then sign up with a null sec outfit. It will likely be massive fail, but you will make friends, and you will learn and adapt or rage quit. If you survive, you'll go back to empire, lick your wounds, and then begin all over, much wiser, and much hungrier for success

If you want to run missions, aim for a Drake, then a Raven... the latter is is by far the most forgiving ship in terms of skillpoints, but you must have drones 5 and be able to field tier 2 light drones in order to do level 4's. Having a base in empire to fall back to for money is what has kept me in the game. I still have my raven somewhere, it's 5 years years old next week.

As for Supercarriers.... I have over 100 million skillpoints and I'm not ready for one... Everyone I know who has ever had one quit eve because the stress of losing it was too much. Or they sold it and just roam in Rifters now.

I have a supercarrier. Doesnt bother me losing it because luckily, goons replace all Supercap losses. That said, it is quite boring, all we use it for is grinding structures

 

[Himse]

I was looking at the mining/trading aspect of this game as it'd probably mean I could play on my own terms rather than putting countless hours into another game.

I want to play, but it looks like it takes far too long to accomplish things (not a bad thing) but I just don't have the time.

 

[Mkilbride]

So I'm going the Sisters of EVE Epic Arc.

I've made it to the final push. Dagan. Tough guy, but I'm getting him down faster than he is me. Someone in local asks if he can help fight Dagan as he needs to as well. I figure sure, Fleet up. Like any other game, we'll join a party and complete a mission together, proving that Teamwork is a good thing.

Oh how I was wrong. So we beat the guy. We're all cheering. Looking around the Wreck for Dagan. I guess he took it, only explanation. So, I'm looking around, can't find my Dagan.

25 minute-ish fight.

I ask in help "Only one Dagan, you gotta re-do the mission."

What the **** EVE? Seriously? I get that this is Sandbox, but it makes no sense as I just re-do the mission and Dagan is back there again...so it's not like it's breaking up the feeling of a world.

So, I was beating Dagan. Another noob, we're both noobs, needed help, so he warped into my fight and we win. But only one if us gets a reward. Only one person gets credit.

Terrible design. It promotes solo play and punishes party play. We all work together to do this tough mission, and only ONE guy gets the reward, despite all of us having it and doing our fair share? So we have to run it again, for each person?

Christ EVE. Sandbox, Themepark, MMO, not MMO. It's basic ******* design! Everyone gets rewarded for their part.

And not like I can re-run it with the guy - as servers come down right as we finish pretty much. I can't even believe it. It seems totally absurd any missions system could be designed in such a way as to try to make you not want to party. A mission system that is designed to allow people to troll and steal mission critical items they probably don't need. So Public Groups are completely eliminated.

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/Cue the "Go back to WoW" comments.




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Oh it gets better. I was just told, and confirmed by a GM, that I can't complete the mission and will need to have the quest line reset because that was "my" Dagan. I can't just re-do it myself.

 

[LordjOX]

I almost went the leap to get a Nyx or Aeon. Had the supercap pilots, ISK, implants, deadspace modules and t2 rigs ready (they still are in a container in Jita).

Decided to not do it, too huge personal risk since at the time, my corp only reimbursed 25% of the loss or so. Besides, I had brought 3 dreads AND 1 carrier (4 accounts) to sieges before and this activity is BORING.

I much more enjoyed lurking with bomber gangs on gates / jumpbridges or go out and roam.

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Oh it gets better. I was just told, and confirmed by a GM, that I can't complete the mission and will need to have the quest line reset because that was "my" Dagan. I can't just re-do it myself.

Missions in EVE are boring and crap. It's an OK way to get ISK, but since you got so many hand-outs from Marc, you'd better off finding yourself a corp and go pvp with them. Get in a rifter and be prepared to die a lot.

EVE is brutal and show off the worst and best sides of people when interacting with others. Many will go out of their way to help you, others will have as a goal to fuck you up so completely ingame so that you'll never want to play again.

Whine about a silly mission? Seems like EVE isn't your game

 

[Mkilbride]

I've no interest in your PVP at the moment. I've just started. EVE isn't brutal. I see that now. It's just a collection of great gameplay mechanics held together by many incredibly poor ones.

I don't care if you think Missions a boring and crap. They should be functional.


I swear I've never seen a community more stuck up it's own asshole than EVE Online. My god. They can't take any VALID criticism. Even if they know they're in the wrong, they will constantly at as if not. It's like a religious, like a cult. They so badly want to be away from all the WoW clones they convince themselves that EVE is perfect and nothing is wrong, and if someone doesn't like something about EVE, they're in the wrong regardless of the issue.

 

[Marc]

Sounds to me like youve hit the wall

Take a deep breath and if you want to carry on, just put it down to experience. This is EVE, things, lots of things will annoy you during your learning curve

 

[Mkilbride]

Yeah, I get it. It has a learning curve. Everyone and everybody can tell me this. It does not change a poor mechanic.

 

[rynnor]

It's the community and the sandbox that make eve though - the actual game has lots of clunkiness but there's nothing to rival it for depth of politics - this is both its strength and weakness though as it can be a bit off putting.

 

[Mkilbride]

It's the community and the sandbox that make eve though - the actual game has lots of clunkiness but there's nothing to rival it for depth of politics - this is both its strength and weakness though as it can be a bit off putting.

Actually, I'd say Face of Mankind beats it in terms of politics.

 

[Mkilbride]

So, after spending several hours on EVEmon, Battleclinic, the various Wikis, I think I've finally found where I want to go. At least for now. A Federation Navy Issue. Expensive, but I've read it can run 1-4 missions with ease, even dubbed the "King of PvE". Now, I know you guy all find that kind of thing boring, but I want to do it to make a stable income eventually. I read that you can make 100-150M a mission @ LV4 and people said a Raven can do them quick and with not much effort. It was the #1 Ranked fit on Battleclinic and, if EVEmon is correct, in less than 30 days, I could have all the trained skills(according to the Skillplan I downloaded for said fit), to be "Optimal" in it.

I think I'm going to go for it. I want to be able to make my own money, have a stable income, before I venture to nullsec. Also, Raven just looks fucking cool. EVEMon also doesn't factor in that for another 7 days I have +9 to my stats. It's a lofty goal for a noob such as me, but I'm willing to invest in it. While said skills are training, I finally fitted out my Thorax fairly competently and it's kicking a lot of ass. I'll continue doing some missions to keep funds up and build it for the eventual day.

I really liked the Gallente route, but after reading about, and seeing alot of Caldari ships, I really like their style and fast / high DPS combo. If anything my issue with Gallente is how god damned slow they are. Sure they can tank and put out good damage, but I always feel like I'm a slowpoke.

 

[Tilda]

Someone wanna send me a trial?

 

[Tilda]

zomg in game as Tilda Propofol - what do I train?!

 

[Tilda]

Ok, so I'm cracking on with training some stuff.
Whats the difference between someone sending me books/buying books and just training stuff from my skill queue?

I want to end up as some sort of pvp support/ECM/tackler i think. Although i dont know what role drones play or whether I'd like rail guns. Can I captain a ship that has fighters?

Is it worth me doing anything like mining or trading to earn cash, or are all those markets saturated?

 

[rynnor]

Ok, so I'm cracking on with training some stuff.
Whats the difference between someone sending me books/buying books and just training stuff from my skill queue?

I want to end up as some sort of pvp support/ECM/tackler i think. Although i dont know what role drones play or whether I'd like rail guns. Can I captain a ship that has fighters?

Is it worth me doing anything like mining or trading to earn cash, or are all those markets saturated?

You get some initial skills that are trainable but beyond that you will need to acquire skillbooks in order to train other skills.

Fighters are just big drones really - mining can earn you cash but takes ages and is generally dull (except when you get jumped) - trading works if you can spot the opportunities and have a ship that can carry enough but you will have to travel through a lot of gates.

 

[Ctuchik]

Can I captain a ship that has fighters?

Well, yes you can... But to be perfectly honest i'd forget all about that.

Carriers are iirc among the most expensive ships in the game and takes FOREVER to train up to.

 

[SilverHood]

Ok, so I'm cracking on with training some stuff.
Whats the difference between someone sending me books/buying books and just training stuff from my skill queue?

I want to end up as some sort of pvp support/ECM/tackler i think. Although i dont know what role drones play or whether I'd like rail guns. Can I captain a ship that has fighters?

Is it worth me doing anything like mining or trading to earn cash, or are all those markets saturated?

Anything you enjoy is worth doing. I have mates who sit and talk shit on comms for hours on end while mining on 5 accounts. Another is a trader who buys cheaply in the outlying regions and sells in the trade hubs and mission hubs.

Mkilbride, as for politics...
Start here
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
and here
http://www.kugutsumen.com/forumdisplay.php?6-EVE-Online-Uncensored
and here for some biased news
http://evenews24.com/
http://themittani.com/

 

[Tilda]

More questions, I'm currently mining - its alright.
How/what is this whole explore things, find anomalies/wormholes? Can I do that? How do I do it? What do I do? My game thing came with some probes etc that I cant use yet, but I think they're something to do with it.

What ship skills should I train if I want to end up in pvp doing ECM/Tackling?
I've given up on fighters as suggested, can someone explain differences between rail guns/turrets?
And whats the difference between shield tanking and armour tanking? Is it mob aggro and your ship having either good shields or good armour?

 

[SilverHood]

More questions, I'm currently mining - its alright.
How/what is this whole explore things, find anomalies/wormholes? Can I do that? How do I do it? What do I do? My game thing came with some probes etc that I cant use yet, but I think they're something to do with it.

What ship skills should I train if I want to end up in pvp doing ECM/Tackling?
I've given up on fighters as suggested, can someone explain differences between rail guns/turrets?
And whats the difference between shield tanking and armour tanking? Is it mob aggro and your ship having either good shields or good armour?

Exploration is part of the PVE game ... you use probes to scan down sites, that depending on their type require certain skills / modules to use. Some are straight combat sites... they are much much much harder than missions, but drop what is known as faction and deadspace loot. Deadspace loot being as good or better than officer modules, and faction loot being on par or better than tech 2, with lower requirements for fitting. It's a fun way to make money, and when you hit a jackpot, you strike it rich, but you can go hours and days while making nothing.

Wormholes are another sector of space, like high, low, nullsec, that have its own rules... such as crazy bonuses / penalties to attributes depending on the wormhole class. And no local chat. And no stations.

For ewarfare / Tackle, train for either an interceptor for fast tackle, or ECM, you want a blackbird to begin with and then move onto a falcon or a rook.

Shield or armor tanking.... it depends on the ship you're in. Amarr ships, with their low number of med slots, tend to make bad shield tankers, where caldari excels at shield tanking, and vica versa... Minmatar and Gallente can do either. There are benefits and drawbacks to both, eg, shield is more cap efficient per hitpoint repped, and shield boosters give the hitpoint at the start of the cycle where armor reps apply them at the end. As you progress, you will likely need to learn how to use both.

 

[Tilda]

Ok, thanks Silver.
How do you mean "train for an..." does that mean, ie training L4 minimar frigs?

Question about planetary administration - I read somewhere thats good cash, is it worth doing? It sounds fun to have my own planet making stuff for me?
Is that similar to research?

 

[SilverHood]

Ok, thanks Silver.
How do you mean "train for an..." does that mean, ie training L4 minimar frigs?

Question about planetary administration - I read somewhere thats good cash, is it worth doing? It sounds fun to have my own planet making stuff for me?
Is that similar to research?

Yes, most non starter ships require additional skills. An interceptor requires racial frigate 5 and some navigation skills before you can train it.

 

[Punishment]

So, after spending several hours on EVEmon, Battleclinic, the various Wikis, I think I've finally found where I want to go. At least for now. A Federation Navy Issue. Expensive, but I've read it can run 1-4 missions with ease, even dubbed the "King of PvE". Now, I know you guy all find that kind of thing boring, but I want to do it to make a stable income eventually. I read that you can make 100-150M a mission @ LV4 and people said a Raven can do them quick and with not much effort. It was the #1 Ranked fit on Battleclinic and, if EVEmon is correct, in less than 30 days, I could have all the trained skills(according to the Skillplan I downloaded for said fit), to be "Optimal" in it.

I think I'm going to go for it. I want to be able to make my own money, have a stable income, before I venture to nullsec. Also, Raven just looks fucking cool. EVEMon also doesn't factor in that for another 7 days I have +9 to my stats. It's a lofty goal for a noob such as me, but I'm willing to invest in it. While said skills are training, I finally fitted out my Thorax fairly competently and it's kicking a lot of ass. I'll continue doing some missions to keep funds up and build it for the eventual day.

I really liked the Gallente route, but after reading about, and seeing alot of Caldari ships, I really like their style and fast / high DPS combo. If anything my issue with Gallente is how god damned slow they are. Sure they can tank and put out good damage, but I always feel like I'm a slowpoke.

Machariel.

That is all

 

[Mkilbride]

Ok, thanks Silver.
How do you mean "train for an..." does that mean, ie training L4 minimar frigs?

Question about planetary administration - I read somewhere thats good cash, is it worth doing? It sounds fun to have my own planet making stuff for me?
Is that similar to research?

What's your in-game name? I wanna send over some ISK. Gotta spread the wealth Marc gave me.

 

[Ctuchik]

What's your in-game name? I wanna send over some ISK. Gotta spread the wealth Marc gave me.

Now don't start off by giving it all away, even if it is for a good cause.

 

[SilverHood]

Now don't start off by giving it all away, even if it is for a good cause.

Let's get a FH channel going in game?

 

[Mkilbride]

Now don't start off by giving it all away, even if it is for a good cause.

It's not "Giving it all away"

It's just some. Marc gave me some to give me a nice boost. He should get one too.

 

[Mkilbride]

Bah, Is earchedh is name in-game "Tilda Propofol" and can't find it.

 

[Ctuchik]

Let's get a FH channel going in game?

Pretty sure there is one, or has been one any way. I can't check it though as i'm not playing any more.

 

[Tilda]

I'm ingame now as Tilda Propofol.

So I looked on Evemon and plugged in the suggestion that I aimed for a Vigil with this setup:

Spoiler

Fuel Conservation I
Fuel Conservation II
Acceleration Control I
Acceleration Control II
Navigation IV
Afterburner III
High Speed Maneuvering I
High Speed Maneuvering II
Warp Drive Operation I
Warp Drive Operation II
Evasive Maneuvering I
Evasive Maneuvering II
Propulsion Jamming II
Repair Systems I
Repair Systems II
Repair Systems III
Shield Management I
Shield Management II
Shield Management III
Hull Upgrades III
Mechanics III
Signature Analysis I
Signature Analysis II
Signature Analysis III
Targeting I
Targeting II
Targeting III
Targeting IV
Long Range Targeting I
Long Range Targeting II
Energy Management I
Energy Management II
Energy Management III
Energy Systems Operation II
Energy Systems Operation III
Controlled Bursts I
Controlled Bursts II
Controlled Bursts III
Weapon Upgrades I
Weapon Upgrades II
Weapon Upgrades III
Gunnery IV
Trajectory Analysis I
Trajectory Analysis II
Motion Prediction I
Motion Prediction II
Motion Prediction III
Sharpshooter I
Rapid Firing I
Rapid Firing II

Does this look like a good way to start out?
Spoke to a guy in game who said just aim for mining for easy cash for now. So have given up on scanning/exploring etc.

As I understand the Vigil can be kitted out as a tackler so that sounds ok.
Are there any other skills I should get if I want to do logistics/ECM?

Can anybody send me 500k ISK so I can finish buying books?

Should I be training for cybernetics 4/5 so I can get implants?