Eve Online

[Marc]

Also Tilda, as exciting as it sounds, I personally would dip my feet in Hi Sec first. I spent a good 18 months in hi Sec before I ventured into Nul. To fully appreciate Nul you have to immerse yourself in the politics of it all. The politics and propoganda of Nul play just as big a part as the fighting. In other MMO's you just rock up and fight then its over. EVE is different. A war like this has been in the planning stage for over 3 months before a single shot is fired. Its the closest you will get in a game to real life wars. Goons have a sky marshal team of over 15 people who plan wars like this. By cutting your teeth in hi sec first, you get a feel for the game, you sort out your income stream so you can afford your ships then you can partake in PvP. There are many ways to get a feel for PvP. You can join EVE-Uni, or Red v Blue, or venture into lo-sec, or faction warfare or even set up your own one man corp and war dec an industrial corp (which is what I did). Fighting outnumbered is exhillarating.

Nul sec has been on fire for over 2 years now. When I first ventured into nul it was during a time of 6 months peace. I used to rat and join the odd fleet venturing into enemy space. Then all of a sudden, the russians kicked off a massive war in nul and its all been at war since and shows no signs of let up so even if you went to hi sec for a while and then joined nul, chances are there will still be a massive war.

 

[rynnor]

Mmm - this is making me nostalgic - might logon and use some Plex later...

 

[Mkilbride]

Web Stasis is enough to make me quit.

Was fighting a freaking NPC. I had a Thorax with 4 Drones, and 4 Ion Blasters things with ranges of about 6,000M using Iron Shot M....bastard kept stunning me and going to 7,500. Which was to close for my Rail guns, which I could fiore from 50M away, but up close, even changing shot, I still needed 15 for optimal.

I tried changing ships, using faster weapons, ect. It was lame beyond belief. I don't care if you CAN counter it. It's just bad design.

Whoever decided that you're "To close" to hit with a gun - is really dumb...and then they put in the whole "Stasis web"

Seriously making me consider quit. It's beyond lame. Took me over an hour to do a mission that should've been done in 3 minutes.

 

[LordjOX]

Sorry, the goonswarm Vee is called Mister Vee. I just refer to him as Mr Vee for ease. There is a Mr Vee in game too from 6 years ago, maybe thats VF as I spoke to Mister Vee last night and he claims he is not VF. Does his voice sound like VF?

Odd coincidence!

As I mentioned, talked to Stallion (https://forums.freddyshouse.com/members/stallion.1786/) ingame in EVE a while back. His EVE char is named Marcus Janota (alt: staji). This char was on and off in Magellanic Itg [MAGEL] a small goonswarm corp AND Ultrapolite Socialites [LOVEU] , coincidentally a shared corp membership history as Mister Vee is. Also check the corp join / leave date. They both left LOVEU and joined MAGEL within two days of each other. Although LOVEU didn't seem to go defunct until April 2010 according to kills on eve-kill.net.

And we know that Stallion and Vodkafairy played together alot. Especially on the excal cluster in various guilds like Our Group, Mardraum and probably more. Also VF is known to be dutch from FH, is Mister Vee dutch? VF called himself "Vee" at the end of daoc. I'll listen to that clip you linked when I get home

I also found these obscure jabber logs from 2011: https://www.eve-razor.com/forum/index.php?action=genstab&view=2011-05-24

[15:51:44]<rawr-hirr-imperian> what about Marcus ?
[15:51:48]<rawr-hirr-imperian> Mister Janota ?
[15:51:49]<condi-magel-mister-vee> quit, i have his nyx
[15:52:00]<condi-magel-mister-vee> he quit the day he fitted the last mod on it
[15:52:05]<rawr-hirr-imperian> blatant lies
[15:52:11]<condi-magel-mister-vee> ask him about eve
[15:52:13]<rawr-hirr-imperian> you stole his account
[15:52:23]<condi-magel-mister-vee> i stole your account

 

[rynnor]

Web Stasis is enough to make me quit.

Was fighting a freaking NPC. I had a Thorax with 4 Drones, and 4 Ion Blasters things with ranges of about 6,000M using Iron Shot M....bastard kept stunning me and going to 7,500. Which was to close for my Rail guns, which I could fiore from 50M away, but up close, even changing shot, I still needed 15 for optimal.

I tried changing ships, using faster weapons, ect. It was lame beyond belief. I don't care if you CAN counter it. It's just bad design.

Whoever decided that you're "To close" to hit with a gun - is really dumb...and then they put in the whole "Stasis web"

Seriously making me consider quit. It's beyond lame. Took me over an hour to do a mission that should've been done in 3 minutes.

You could always get your drones back and warp out then warp back in at x km's from the mission site and try to burst him down while hes trying to close on you? I was never a huge fan of ion blasters though preferring the long range rail guns. Tech 2 drones chew through all the small ships at a crazy rate though particularly if you use the damage type your opposition are weak versus.

 

[Marc]

Odd coincidence!

As I mentioned, talked to Stallion (https://forums.freddyshouse.com/members/stallion.1786/) ingame in EVE a while back. His EVE char is named Marcus Janota (alt: staji). This char was on and off in Magellanic Itg [MAGEL] a small goonswarm corp AND Ultrapolite Socialites [LOVEU] , coincidentally a shared corp membership history as Mister Vee is. Also check the corp join / leave date. They both left LOVEU and joined MAGEL within two days of each other. Although LOVEU didn't seem to go defunct until April 2010 according to kills on eve-kill.net.

And we know that Stallion and Vodkafairy played together alot. Especially on the excal cluster in various guilds like Our Group, Mardraum and probably more. Also VF is known to be dutch from FH, is Mister Vee dutch? VF called himself "Vee" at the end of daoc. I'll listen to that clip you linked when I get home

I also found these obscure jabber logs from 2011: https://www.eve-razor.com/forum/index.php?action=genstab&view=2011-05-24

[15:51:44]<rawr-hirr-imperian> what about Marcus ?
[15:51:48]<rawr-hirr-imperian> Mister Janota ?
[15:51:49]<condi-magel-mister-vee> quit, i have his nyx
[15:52:00]<condi-magel-mister-vee> he quit the day he fitted the last mod on it
[15:52:05]<rawr-hirr-imperian> blatant lies
[15:52:11]<condi-magel-mister-vee> ask him about eve
[15:52:13]<rawr-hirr-imperian> you stole his account
[15:52:23]<condi-magel-mister-vee> i stole your account

Does sound rather Bizarre!

 

[Mkilbride]

You could always get your drones back and warp out then warp back in at x km's from the mission site and try to burst him down while hes trying to close on you? I was never a huge fan of ion blasters though preferring the long range rail guns. Tech 2 drones chew through all the small ships at a crazy rate though particularly if you use the damage type your opposition are weak versus.

Well I got Drones 4, I don't know if i can get tech 2 drones yet.

That method of warping in and out is exactly what I did. Didn't make it any less annoying.Hell, the range on my cannons is 50m, I can fire on them before they can lock on usually. They just close in super fast...and force me to warp away...my drones are just Hobgoblin 1's.

This is my character sheet. Trying to finish Cybernetics off.

https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/Maxx Kilbride/CharacterSheet

 

[rynnor]

Are you moving away from them at your max speed though or just sitting there while they approach?

 

[Mkilbride]

I have "Keep my distance" from them, set to 5m above my optimum range, using a booster. They catch up. They use Stasis web on me. I have to warp out. Warp back in, and hope I get one guy before they get to close.

Wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't required to kill them. Makes no sense why either. First time - I put the item in the location it asked, warped away. The objectives had nothing about killing them. Then I ahd to go back and kill them.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tracking_the_Queen_2


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Tracking_the_Queen_3

These are the two missions that just gave me immense trouble.

 

[rynnor]

I have "Keep my distance" from them, set to 5m above my optimum range, using a booster.

Once you get tech 2 drones you'll tear through the small ships - why not set 'keep your distance' to your max range? They will still eventually catch up but you should get longer to destroy them in the mean time - are you using small or medium rails?

 

[Mkilbride]

Medium Hybrid Turrets. I tried Small ones as people said they locked on faster, but they barely did ANY damage by comparison. We're talking 36DSP VS 246DPS here. Overall I am thinking the Thorax may have been a mistake. I tried it out again with my Incurus though and it was even worse. I think it just suddenly got really difficult.

 

[rynnor]

Medium Hybrid Turrets. I tried Small ones as people said they locked on faster, but they barely did ANY damage by comparison. We're talking 36DSP VS 246DPS here. Overall I am thinking the Thorax may have been a mistake. I tried it out again with my Incurus though and it was even worse. I think it just suddenly got really difficult.

Some missions are a lot tougher than others - with mediums you really need to keep away from the small ships as you'll struggle to hit them up close - I would use the longest range medium hybrids you can equip with range increasing ammo - warp in at 100km from the mission and try to aggro just one group then just set your speed to max headed away from the enemy and take them out before they can reach you.

 

[Tilda]

Marc, the videos look nice but I dont quite understand whats happening. Is the guy killing an entire fleet solo in the first one? Who is he talking to?
Does one have "ranged" "healer" "tank" type roles?

 

[Marc]

Marc, the videos look nice but I dont quite understand whats happening. Is the guy killing an entire fleet solo in the first one? Who is he talking to?
Does one have "ranged" "healer" "tank" type roles?

He wasnt solo, but it was an extremly ballsy move! The voices are from voice comms. He is talking to his fleet mates.

As for ranged healer, yeah there are whats called Logistics ships. I tend to fly logistics mostly.

 

[Mkilbride]

Only 7 more hours til Cybernetics 4. I can't wait to buy +4 implants, it'll drain me, but it's worth it for the boost in skill training.

 

[Marc]

have chucked you another 150m to cover implants

 

[Mkilbride]

Thanks, it wasn't really needed, but I appreciate it man, the implants are only like 18M each.

When I have to start making money on my own, this is gonna be a negative in some ways, because I won't be used to it lol.

 

[Mkilbride]

Damn edit button. Anyways, I was wrong. Thanks for the money, I thought I read they were 18m each, but they are actually around 25-30M each, yikes, lol.

 

[old.Tohtori]

To me EVE is like a second life, most the time i sit in my captains quarters playing other games from "old earth"

Should remember to put skills ni queue more often though.

 

[Mkilbride]

Lol. I am reading the Hyperion Cantos, so that "Old Earth" comment hit home. I tried Second Life, I was not a fan.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Heh yeah didn't mean the game second life

 

[Mkilbride]

Hah...ah.

This is a beautiful thing:

 

[Mkilbride]

Working on Core Compotency now - will by done tomorrow around noon. Thinking of what to do after that...thought about focusing on something drone related.

I can get to Heavy Drone Basic in like two days after this ends...

Bascially, here is what I want to be, as a fighter:

A Cruiser / Battlecruiser class perhaps, launching Tech II Medium Drones so that they can fight tiny and fast weak enemies, crushing them. I also want strong main cannons that can decimate the enemies. On top of this, I want to be able to move at a decent speed.

IT's tough, I know I'm asking for a lot. I plan to do plenty of missions and not leave Highsec for a deal of time. I want a good ship for running all the way up to LV4 and through missions. I want to focus on high damage with drone support so I don't get over-whelmed. Thoughts?

 

[Marc]

Dominix with T2 Sentries will decimate level 4 missions. If you are going down the drone route that is what you should aim for.

You cant have one ship that will run from level 1 to level 4, well, maybe a strategic cruiser will be able to, im not sure, its been a good 18 months since I ran a mission but in the main, ship restrictions mean you cant.

Level 1 - Frigate
Level 2 - Cruiser
Level 3 - Battlecruiser
Level 4- Battleship

Dont run before you can walk.

 

[Marc]

11 systems secured, 3 more in the process including J5A which has seen some bloody fights so far with test saving it twice, but not today.

However, it came at great cost.

First we lost 2 nyxes - 60b
Then we lost 2 CSAA's in the North that had 2 Titans in build - 200b
Our fleet that tried to save the CSAA's got decimated - 100b

So we have lost 360b today lol but, we did achieve some strategic goals.

 

[Mkilbride]

I know, I'm just trying to plan skills accordingly right now. For the next 8 or so days, I have 33 in every stat - things that with normal stats and no implants would, on average, according to Evemon, take more than twice as long...so I want to maximize these 8 days.

 

[Tilda]

Why do you have 33 in each stat?

Marc, if I started this, could you tell me exactly what to queue when to get somewhere?
I have no clue what I want to be, I like the idea of drones, but dont know what else. Whats cool, what are my options. I looked at ships, how do I get a Supercarrier (hah!)?

 

[Tilda]

Also, what roles are rare/wanted/seldom played/OP'ed?
Am looking at ships:

I like: Amarr - Curse, Absolution, (Archon and Aeon)
Not a huge fan of many of the other ships, did like the Angel Cynabal.

What role do miners do? Are they literally people who go strip/ice mining for cash and thats all they do?

 

[Tilda]

Cant find my account (

 

[LordjOX]

I've not played EVE or serious fleets for 3 years. But tacklers and logistics are always wanted in fleets. In addition to good scouts (covops / recons), thankless job but crucial. Otherwise just aim for the fotm fleet ships in your preferred race as a starter. Soloing, forget it. You need multiple accounts, lots of practice and ISK to be successful in it.

Miners harvest resources from asteroids and sell the ore to other players, which in turn gets made into ships and modules.
It's mainly to make cash and is a very chill but sometimes risky activity.