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old.Tohtori
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Fun group yesterday in heaven(normal full run);
Monk - health around 5k+, level 31
Witch doctor - health around 5k+, level 30
Wizard - health around 5k + shield, level 31
Me, wizard, health 1700, level 27.
Had to show those guys how a man plays HC
DPS 950 so, it was really rather excellent
Monk - health around 5k+, level 31
Witch doctor - health around 5k+, level 30
Wizard - health around 5k + shield, level 31
Me, wizard, health 1700, level 27.
Had to show those guys how a man plays HC
DPS 950 so, it was really rather excellent
old.Tohtori
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5578596168
Long read, worth it, should answer a few issues to folk(loot especially)
Especially well shows how some things they know they f*cked up;
"Question: Do you have any numbers on casualties from your ninja patch in HC?
Answer: I don't - but I wish I did so I could put it over my bathroom mirror as a daily reminder to never do it again."
Also an "eeeeeeeee! give!" moment;
"We recognize that players want to be able to encounter other players in common areas to check out gear and socialize, and we're considering how we might add that functionality to the game at some point."
On item looty thing(per example);
Long read, worth it, should answer a few issues to folk(loot especially)
Especially well shows how some things they know they f*cked up;
"Question: Do you have any numbers on casualties from your ninja patch in HC?
Answer: I don't - but I wish I did so I could put it over my bathroom mirror as a daily reminder to never do it again."
Also an "eeeeeeeee! give!" moment;
"We recognize that players want to be able to encounter other players in common areas to check out gear and socialize, and we're considering how we might add that functionality to the game at some point."
On item looty thing(per example);
"As mentioned in a different thread, the drop rates were carefully tuned for a single player playing through from 1 to 60 without ever using the AH.
All of our items are randomly generated, and so follow a distribution curve in power. Let's say for the sake of argument that you were to somehow distill an item down to it's "power level" and created a distribution graph of drop rate vs. power level. This graph would probably be normally distributed with outliers at high power levels dropping at a lower rate.
Looking at this graph, an average item drops every 5 minutes, a higher power item drops every 15 minutes, even higher power drops every hour. etc. As you move up the curve to ever more powerful items, the amount of time it takes to find such an item increases. This is what makes certain items more desirable, this is how things worked in D2.
What happens for a standard player who is playing solo when they first hit level 60 is they see an item upgrade every 30 minutes or so. Pretty quickly it becomes every hour, then every 2 hours. The higher the power level of your gear, the longer it takes to find your next upgrade, that's just the underlying math of this distribution. It's not really anything we set either. If we magically made all drops rates 10x higher, all it would do is shift the power curve left or right, it would not change the fundamental property that the higher up in power you go, the longer (statistically) it is going to take until you find your next drop.
So then let's say you visit the Auction House and get infusion of power that hurls you forward on that power curve. So whereas at one point your gear may be at a point that you are statistically speaking probably going to get an upgrade every 2 hours. After visiting the Auction House you hurl yourself forward on the power curve so far that now you are statistically going to get a drop every 8 hours.
To further illustrate the point, let's talk about the coming changes in 1.0.3. In 1.0.3 we're going to start dropping level 63 items in Act I of Inferno. We're also reducing incoming damage. What do I expect to happen? I expect that there will be a rapid increase in power across the entire community as all of these items become more widely accessible. It's like we took the distribution curve of items and made everything drop more. That item that used to take 10 hours to find is now a 2 hour item. An item that used to be a 2 day item is now an 8 hour item. After the initial frenzy of power increase, things are just going to settle again. People who think drop rates are too low now will probably still think drop rates are too low a week later when they move to the new point on the curve. I've spent a long time on this question so I'm going to move on but hopefully somebody who gets what I'm saying will be able to expand on it more, maybe draw some graphs to better illustrate the point.
tl;dr we could make drops 100x what they are now and it would just cause everybody to settle at a new equilibrium point. Anything you can farm in a few hours you'll already have, anything that takes longer you'll wish you could get faster."
All of our items are randomly generated, and so follow a distribution curve in power. Let's say for the sake of argument that you were to somehow distill an item down to it's "power level" and created a distribution graph of drop rate vs. power level. This graph would probably be normally distributed with outliers at high power levels dropping at a lower rate.
Looking at this graph, an average item drops every 5 minutes, a higher power item drops every 15 minutes, even higher power drops every hour. etc. As you move up the curve to ever more powerful items, the amount of time it takes to find such an item increases. This is what makes certain items more desirable, this is how things worked in D2.
What happens for a standard player who is playing solo when they first hit level 60 is they see an item upgrade every 30 minutes or so. Pretty quickly it becomes every hour, then every 2 hours. The higher the power level of your gear, the longer it takes to find your next upgrade, that's just the underlying math of this distribution. It's not really anything we set either. If we magically made all drops rates 10x higher, all it would do is shift the power curve left or right, it would not change the fundamental property that the higher up in power you go, the longer (statistically) it is going to take until you find your next drop.
So then let's say you visit the Auction House and get infusion of power that hurls you forward on that power curve. So whereas at one point your gear may be at a point that you are statistically speaking probably going to get an upgrade every 2 hours. After visiting the Auction House you hurl yourself forward on the power curve so far that now you are statistically going to get a drop every 8 hours.
To further illustrate the point, let's talk about the coming changes in 1.0.3. In 1.0.3 we're going to start dropping level 63 items in Act I of Inferno. We're also reducing incoming damage. What do I expect to happen? I expect that there will be a rapid increase in power across the entire community as all of these items become more widely accessible. It's like we took the distribution curve of items and made everything drop more. That item that used to take 10 hours to find is now a 2 hour item. An item that used to be a 2 day item is now an 8 hour item. After the initial frenzy of power increase, things are just going to settle again. People who think drop rates are too low now will probably still think drop rates are too low a week later when they move to the new point on the curve. I've spent a long time on this question so I'm going to move on but hopefully somebody who gets what I'm saying will be able to expand on it more, maybe draw some graphs to better illustrate the point.
tl;dr we could make drops 100x what they are now and it would just cause everybody to settle at a new equilibrium point. Anything you can farm in a few hours you'll already have, anything that takes longer you'll wish you could get faster."
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LordjOX
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In summary regarding loot, they expect people to complain about loot and upgrade regardless of what they do
But anyways, good changes. Makes farming easy champion packs and Kulle (hopefully they don't nerf this) in inferno act 2 viable.
But anyways, good changes. Makes farming easy champion packs and Kulle (hopefully they don't nerf this) in inferno act 2 viable.
old.Tohtori
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I think the nutshell of items is; the higher your gear, the longer(in hours if not days/weeks) it takes to get better gear and if you buy AH gear you nerf yourself in that regard
Corran
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Demon Hunter is such easy mode. Dinged 60 and right away im able to farm in unicorn valley Inferno (well once I was in inferno). Sure I cant kill all the elites but move them in a cleared corner and leave them there. Clear it out of rest of mobs and then pop on mf gear and run around opening everything. Gear not even that good.
WD in much better gear cant do shit in comparison. So funny
WD in much better gear cant do shit in comparison. So funny
old.Tohtori
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There's a few issues with DH that will be fixed for sure, but it certainly isn't easy mode in HC
Damn social events, have to go to a wedding so can't play all weekend
Damn social events, have to go to a wedding so can't play all weekend
CorNokZ
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You just met her and you are already getting married!?There's a few issues with DH that will be fixed for sure, but it certainly isn't easy mode in HC
Damn social events, have to go to a wedding so can't play all weekend
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pikeh
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Yup still playing, why would I not? Think the difficulty in inferno brings a whole new strategy to the game. Wouldn't really want to do it solo though, so playing with a barb mate. Rolled my first alt today as well, DH, just for the lols.
Keitanz
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Is it really Inferno if the bosses are killable in under a minute though? I really doubt Blizzard expected people to do that.. I think they'll add a new difficulty next year..
That's like saying 'I just watched this 'Horner' dudes DAoC vid, man im glad i never played that game', not a realistic view!
Im playing it pretty casually and enjoying it, no-lifed it for about a day when I could but now I'll prolly only be able to play the odd hour and Im enjoying just rolling through nightmare now, looking forward to Hell!
Im playing it pretty casually and enjoying it, no-lifed it for about a day when I could but now I'll prolly only be able to play the odd hour and Im enjoying just rolling through nightmare now, looking forward to Hell!
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Shame crafting is busted eh Raven? I've got my WD in act 1 inferno, managed to get semi-reasonable gear by looking for cheap stuff on the AH. I only have a 1-2 hours / day playtime max atm so it is possible for people with wives and jobs