Death of a scout !

[Flimgoblin]

Anything other than a pet class is wasting it's time killing oranges...

It's usually suicidal as a non-pet class unless you have bonus against it and it has penalties against you. Even then you'll be sitting on your arse for an aeon.

Personally I'm not too keen on yellows regenning from 40% hp is too boring.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Woodmansee
I say give scouts back eveything, and take one thing from them and infils, STEALTH!

Have it all back and give someting to the infil, but NO MORE stealth!!!


Stealth = Hide and pick off weak targets = GRIEF

Give me 10x melee-damage then, I can't do fuckall without stealth. Try PLAYING a stealth class before you make such moronic comments.

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

how exactly are scouts supposed to 'scout' armies as you so wonderfully suggest for their group when a certain 'detect hidden' abilitly exists .....

 

[Danya]

200 dmg on a green is pretty gimped, I can hit greens for nearly that with my sword and I have such poor melee it's silly.

As for all the group comments, get real. Half the time I can't group in RvR and I hardly play a class people don't want. Luckily I can stealth so I can go solo. Until 1.50 that is then the nerf bat comes flying out. Oh well, at least goa sucking will mean it's months till that happens.

 

[old.Woodmansee]

Give me 10x melee-damage then, I can't do fuckall without stealth. Try PLAYING a stealth class before you make such moronic comments.




Bah you can kill people with 3 shots before they can even reach you.. Fikng PLUM

 

[Keri]

Originally posted by Eeek
My major gripe in PVE is that a scout can only solo up to a yellow and often ends up with less than 50% health after each, where as my theurgist can happily solo 2 orange or 1 red at a time with no melee at all (just as well ) This difference is bloody ridiculous if you ask me and I have to wonder why it is all the casters that have been screaming 'nerf the archer'. I say nerf the bloody casters, they are way too strong...

"can only solo up to a yellow"??? And you think that's bad? Try playing a bard. If I tried to solo greens, I would have maybe 10% health left. Blues? forget it. Don't whine about only being able to solo yellows .. you have no idea what it's like to play a class that can only succeed as a group character.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Woodmansee
Give me 10x melee-damage then, I can't do fuckall without stealth. Try PLAYING a stealth class before you make such moronic comments.




Bah you can kill people with 3 shots before they can even reach you.. Fikng PLUM

Rofl, with what? My x-bow? I'm an infiltrator...

 

[old.TheAussie]

Originally posted by Woodmansee
I say give scouts back eveything, and take one thing from them and infils, STEALTH!

Have it all back and give someting to the infil, but NO MORE stealth!!!


Stealth = Hide and pick off weak targets = GRIEF

you must be a caster... ;D
what do you think Scouting means?

Originally posted by Woodmansee

Bah you can kill people with 3 shots before they can even reach you.. Fikng PLUM

Every caster can ......

 

[old.chesnor]

I've discovered why most archers don't get grouped in PvE. The answer is clear to everyone reading most of this thread.

YOUR'E ALL MUPPETS.

Well, not all of you, I've known some mighty fine archers in this game. But until now, because of it's uberness in RvR it has attracted the MUPPETS who play this game. All the MUPPETS start archers so they can get uber RPs and own everyone in emain. Thanks Mythic for nerfing this class, my guess is the MUPPETS will go and roll skalds now, so the skald is definately next for the nerf bat. Once Mythic have nerfed all the uber class and brought some real balance to the classes for RvR, the MUPPETS will no long be uber and wil leave and go play something else.

 

[old.Woodmansee]

you must be a caster... ;D
what do you think Scouting means?


Mmm casters HAVE A POWER POOL AND WEAR COTH ARMOR and cant HIDE!

Having fought a scout last night it means at lvl 50 I get hit for over 400 damage, about 200 more than I can do at pb meele range. It also means you can turn into the invisible man..


death of a scout - great post - "NURF"

 

[Tranquil-]

Chesnor, try to give some valid arguements to support your meanings, not those stupid "nerf-whiner" ones.
You seem to have no clue what you are talking about, so please don't post anything if you don't have anything good to say. That goes for Woodmansee aswell.

And keri, what do you think is easiest to get in groups with, a scout or a bard?

 

[old.Elrohir_CBH]

Originally posted by Woodmansee
you must be a caster... ;D
what do you think Scouting means?


Mmm casters HAVE A POWER POOL AND WEAR COTH ARMOR and cant HIDE!

Having fought a scout last night it means at lvl 50 I get hit for over 400 damage, about 200 more than I can do at pb meele range. It also means you can turn into the invisible man..


death of a scout - great post - "NURF"

Scouts have a endurance pool or did you think we shoot for free ?

Cloth weares have same range as us (atleast i think , but it wouldnt be much less if it was less) and can do maybe even more dmg than us , so we shoot miss (bladeturn) caster targets us and quickcast , scout get interupted and die.So we cant even kill our target class.Killing tanks is not an option , so tell me what do we kill ?

Ohh and whit patch no more invisible , then just like every1 else we are visible , only we payed 40 skill points for it

 

[old.Runolas]

Originally posted by chesnor
I've discovered why most archers don't get grouped in PvE. The answer is clear to everyone reading most of this thread.

YOUR'E ALL MUPPETS.

Well, not all of you, I've known some mighty fine archers in this game. But until now, because of it's uberness in RvR it has attracted the MUPPETS who play this game. All the MUPPETS start archers so they can get uber RPs and own everyone in emain. Thanks Mythic for nerfing this class, my guess is the MUPPETS will go and roll skalds now, so the skald is definately next for the nerf bat. Once Mythic have nerfed all the uber class and brought some real balance to the classes for RvR, the MUPPETS will no long be uber and wil leave and go play something else.

This is crap and you should know it. The “MUPPETS” as you refer them as would not last one minute of the time it takes to lvl an assassin or archer. People wanting to play an “Uber” character will always go for a caster. They lvl faster and owns in RvR. It is a myth that assassins and archers owns in RvR, they can get rp slightly better than others, but so what. Does this really matter? Do a /played with your lvl 46 Healer and compare it to a lvl 46 SB/Hunter. It is the mez/root/stun that owns RvR nothing else. Only a little portion of ppl that are killed in Emain is linked to stealthers. The only problem with stealthers come when you have too many of them.

Btw Mythic have done nothing else than to listen to whiny casters…end of story

I for one did not start my SB to be "Uber", and I'm not "Uber" at all, but I do have my moments. I just liked the idea of being an assassin, but I had no clue how this would function in the game.

 

[old.Elrohir_CBH]

Originally posted by chesnor
I've discovered why most archers don't get grouped in PvE. The answer is clear to everyone reading most of this thread.

YOUR'E ALL MUPPETS.

Well, not all of you, I've known some mighty fine archers in this game. But until now, because of it's uberness in RvR it has attracted the MUPPETS who play this game. All the MUPPETS start archers so they can get uber RPs and own everyone in emain. Thanks Mythic for nerfing this class, my guess is the MUPPETS will go and roll skalds now, so the skald is definately next for the nerf bat. Once Mythic have nerfed all the uber class and brought some real balance to the classes for RvR, the MUPPETS will no long be uber and wil leave and go play something else.

LOL , thank you for calling me a muppet and all archers / assasins whit it

i will leave the flaming to other persons for this , knowing you will get plenty of it !

 

[old.chesnor]

Tranquil, I am sick and tired of reading whines by archers who are throwing teddy out the pram because they been nerfed. You hav'nt been nerfed. You've just been brought back down to earth. What the whinges are really saying is I AM NOT UBER ANYMORE BAH. End of story.

And if you really think archers are gimped, try playing a cabalist, or a shaman or a merc or a blademaster.

Also I don't buy this whole 'we are hard to group' bullsh*t. Its not a character in a computer game that gets into group. Its a person at a keyboard. If you really can't get grouped, you should quit daoc and practise some social skills. And yes, I have played group unfriendly classes before you start. I knew that before I rolled and I DIDN'T FKING SPAM FORUMS WHINGING ABOUT IT EITHER.

 

[nju]

Yeah, lets all delete our current charecters and start playing one class / realm. Wouldn't that be cool! All Mids would play a warrior, all Hibs would play a hero and every Albion would play a paladin! Wow, wouldn't that make the game much more fun and versatile! We could all even spec ourselves the exact same way so nobody would be worse than the next!! There'd be no talk about nerfing for a while that way, would there? No-one just wouldn't play a Uber class, and boy, wouldnt that be Fun with a BIG F!

8)

 

[Tranquil-]

There is no use to try to reason with such biased and singleminded people, it doesn't help any either..
Once a muppet always a muppet, I think I saw that somewhere up there.


I have not been brought down to earth, I started this character in 1.45 and wouldn't know first hand how the difference from 1.38 and earlier. I know what I am playing now.
I have also tried a blademaster and a cabalist(tbh the cabalist I am bit more uncertain how it really is in higher lvls), and I know they are also very badly balanced. They should also get Mythics attention. It's just that there are alot fewer players of these classes around to make any notice.

And don't even try to say that the classes you are playing has nothing to say when it comes to grouping, I have got a cleric aswell, and I get grouped before I even shout, I have to almost beg on my knees and prove that I can be a good addition to the group with my scout.

 

[old.chesnor]

Archers, stop moaning. You can sure get grouped in PvE. I have grouped with some fine archers, they were good for the group then and will be after this 'nerf'. And obviously any healing class will always get grouped quickly.....sheesh!

You havn't been gimped, you just been nerfed. Take it like grown ups. I predict that in a few months time, the archers who took it on the chin and kept playing will be better players as a result. More group oriented in RvR and more valuable to their realm as a result.

This is a team game, you fight for your realm, not for personal glory or for freakin realm points btw

 

[old.Elrohir_CBH]

PPPPFFFFF

I give up , think ppl just dont want to see archers have problem , fine ,i dont play him anymore anyway .

 

[belth]

Originally posted by chesnor
This is a team game, you fight for your realm, not for personal glory or for freakin realm points btw

Yeah, but will you take a rogue-class instead of that 432513rd tank in your group? Would you give your spot to one? Didn't think so, unless you absolutely have to, which is... Let's see... Never?

Assassins and archers have much harder PvE life than your healer or tank, so it's our RIGHT to have it easier in RvR. You lose some, you get some.

 

[old.chesnor]

Originally posted by Belthazor


Yeah, but will you take a rogue-class instead of that 432513rd tank in your group? Would you give your spot to one? Didn't think so, unless you absolutely have to, which is... Let's see... Never?

Assassins and archers have much harder PvE life than your healer or tank, so it's our RIGHT to have it easier in RvR. You lose some, you get some.

This is crap. Just because you have it harder in PvE does not give you any RIGHT to be uber in RvR. Shamans, cabalists, blademasters, spiritmasters et al all have it just as hard in PvE and are nothing special in RvR. They don't moan as much as you guys.

And I know for sure that archers were the uber rp earners prior to this as yet un-implemented patch. Don't tell me any diffrent. Look at the highest RP earners on EU server. Mostly archers. You've had it good guys, now you are nerfed and must work as hard as the rest of us for your rps.

 

[old.Woodmansee]

Lol@ this thread

*wips out the nurf stick*
looks for anyone with a bow..
*WACK*

 

[old.Odysseus]

Chesnor i would say there is one little tiny wee difference from the archer classes to most of the classes u just mentioned:
Archers have nothing to offer to parties.

And stop spamming the thread with stuff about how an archer _can_ be used in a party. Its nonsense. I have played my scout to 49, and in 9 out of 10 parties I have been in, I have been a detriment to all the other teammembers' xp.

 

[Keri]

Originally posted by Tranquil
And keri, what do you think is easiest to get in groups with, a scout or a bard?

Well, I only played Albion for a short while, so don't really know the class, or the Albion mentality that well. At lower levels, the bard probably has an easier time with getting groups. At a higher level, I'm not sure. I can park my bard in Innis for hours and not get a group ... I have even waited at Ligen for an RvR group, and given up, and just headed to Emain on my own. Maybe Excal/Hib has an oversupply of bards at my level. Maybe the guild you are in can make a difference. I recently switched guilds, as my old one was down to 4 active players, so we joined another guild in the same alliance. I now have a much larger pool of guild-mates to group with, for both of my characters, and my LFG time is almost minimal now.

Another suggestion, try teaming up with someone who plays a class that always seems to get group invites, then the two of you can either join a group together, or form one.

 

[Alrindel]

I can park my bard in Innis for hours and not get a group ... I have even waited at Ligen for an RvR group, and given up, and just headed to Emain on my own.

The problem with bards is that you wait for hours for one and then four go by.

Actually every time I head to Ligen I pray hard that there will be a barded group with a space open and there never ever is. Then one will come through the gate and we all start clamouring, "pick me! pick me!!"

 

[old.TheAussie]

We are killing the caster & healers in RvR ... so it would be easyer for OUR army to kill them...
We are scouting our frontiers for invaders .... defending our realm...
and you are still complaining because we are too "good"


Do you know how BORING it is to scout while you are exp'ing or itemhunting, having fun?




Scouts have more rp's *whine* *whine* nerf them *whine* *whine*
The only thing you see is the easy part of a scout...

 

[old.chesnor]

lol


I'm not letting this thread go because I know I'm right. Archers have always been uber in RvR. Mostly soloing because they don't want to share those uber rps. And archers can be good in groups because there dmg output IS good. If you think you are a leech in xp groups 40+ its because you suck, not because the class does. And also 40+ groups tend to be guildys/friends anyway, so the whole scouts are poo now argument is not valid.

Welcome to my world, archers. Now you have to work for them rps instead of hiding in trees and griefing.

And asassins, I will always group with you guys now just so we can buttf*ck archers.

God damn revenge is sweet.

(Winter shoots you with her bow and hits for 521 dmg)

 

[old.TheAussie]

^
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shoot him

 

[old.rufyman]

Originally posted by chesnor


This is crap. Just because you have it harder in PvE does not give you any RIGHT to be uber in RvR. Shamans, cabalists, blademasters, spiritmasters et al all have it just as hard in PvE and are nothing special in RvR. They don't moan as much as you guys.

eut wrong answer pall this are the chars that whined so hard that mythic decided to nerf scouts so dont say that crap anymore

scouts are nerfed because of the whining of other chars

 

[old.chesnor]

Yeah. A non-caster class that hits for 500+ with freaking 1 arrow need nerfing fs. How lame is it to get with 1 ARROW for that kind of damage? Without engage any class that got popped by an archer is dead meat. And you can melee. Its not like casters can, so don't be giving it no 'yeah but casters hit for uber dmg too' bullsh*t. Archers dmg has alway been uber in RvR. The only people who won't accept that are achers, oddly.

I started my luri champ to be an archer killer. Shield specced, dmg bonus on chain, engage, snare, insta dd+debuffs. I'm gonna own your sorry asses.. It is my mission to grief archers, god knows I've been griefed to buggery by you gits for so long. You will fear my lil lurikeen ass if you are man enough to accept this nerf and carry on playing.

Look forward to seeing you in the frontiers.......