DAoC vs WoW

[Fana]

Were you bored of DAoC when you stopped playing?

If not, what reason is there to quit?

 

[Thegreatest]

Were you bored of DAoC when you stopped playing?

I was bored to see how bad the game went after every expansion...That's the reason I tried more than 10 other MMORPG's in the last year cause yes, I got bored of DAoC and was looking if I could find another MMORPG that could replace it...Till now all the games I played were a joke compared to DAoC so I kept returning back but now the DAoC story is definitly closed for me, if I will play another MMORPG it will be World of Warcraft for sure. I'm having a lot of fun with the beta at the moment, I'm having the feelings I got when I first played DAoC US beta 3 years ago...So why should I return to DAoC? To do hours of boring ToA pve to have even a little chance to competet with the elite? To see all the landscape and all the people (NPC's), city's, regions, mobs, skills, spells, styles etc. etc. I've seen for over 2 years again and again?

DAoC didnt had that much cons for me, but the cons it had have been greatly improved in World of Warcraft while the pros of DAoC remained in the game...A whole new world, whole new classes/abbilities and whole new quests, mobs, city's, places to explore...Why would I return to DAoC?

 

[Vilje]

Why would I return to DAoC?

Most likely because of one or more of the reasons listed:

1: DAoC's RvR system, which is at the time matched by no mmorpg ( that I've heard of, but if there is any, please enlighten me ).

2: Because of Catacombs, in which both the RvR system and the PvE system will greatly improve ( as discribed in my earlier post ). To try out the new classes etc. And last but not least the new graphic engine in this expansion.

If any reason, one or more of these reasons would probably be it.

 

[Laston]

Most likely because of one or more of the reasons listed:

1: DAoC's RvR system, which is at the time matched by no mmorpg ( that I've heard of, but if there is any, please enlighten me ).

2: Because of Catacombs, in which both the RvR system and the PvE system will greatly improve ( as discribed in my earlier post ). To try out the new classes etc. And last but not least the new graphic engine in this expansion.

If any reason, one or more of these reasons would probably be it.

i thought people where complaining about lagg allready, how is Catacombs gonna solve that?

my guess is the fact WoW compares if only a little to DAoC in the fact

it has pvp
it has pve

up untill now no game has really offerd half decent pvp/pve (lets be honest here killing same mob over and over and over isint that fun now is it?)

and it´s not nearly as buggy as DAoC.

 

[[TB] Benedictine]

I'll take gamplay over awesome graphics every time. The awe lasts for about 1 week (as I found out with EQ2)

 

[Vilje]

i thought people where complaining about lagg allready, how is Catacombs gonna solve that?.

It can't. But more powerful servers could. The lagg people is complaining about ( atleast the one I am experiensing ) is connection based, so it depends on the server... EDIT: Or your own connection speed. But since so many people is lagging it must be the servers atm.

If peoples lagg is based on their computers hardware, we can't make that Mythics problem now can we? They still have to update the graphics, to lure in new players and to try and hold on to the old ones. We can't really blame them for that...

In addition to that people is complaining about the game not being up to date in many ways. Perhaps the graphics could help a bit on this matter. I don't know about you guys really, but it sure seducted me. I wish I remembered the link to the company supplying the new graphic engine. It looked awsome.

 

[Vilje]

my guess is the fact WoW compares if only a little to DAoC in the fact

it has pvp
it has pve

Aye, your right. But still, after what I heard, WoW's PvE system makes it easier to kill mobs. I don't like that, because when I hear it I think of a hack&slash diablo like game. DAoC isnt like that, which is one of the reasons i enjoy it so much.

Second, DAoC's RvR system is so much better than WoW's PvP system, so there is still no reason to leave for WoW because of this.

Note: Tell me when WoW's PvP system gets better than DAoC's RvR system, and I'll give WoW a try, for sure.

 

[Thornar]

I'll take gamplay over awesome graphics every time. The awe lasts for about 1 week (as I found out with EQ2)

That's the reason I'm still playing games like FF IV etc. Graphics aren't important at all.

Anyone remember the text-based MUDS? Those were loads of fun and you didn't need Geforce 10000 or whatever.

 

[Fana]

It can't. But more powerful servers could. The lagg people is complaining about ( atleast the one I am experiensing ) is connection based, so it depends on the server... EDIT: Or your own connection speed. But since so many people is lagging it must be the servers atm.

If peoples lagg is based on their computers hardware, we can't make that Mythics problem now can we? They still have to update the graphics, to lure in new players and to try and hold on to the old ones. We can't really blame them for that...

The majority of the lag people experience isnt server or client side lag, its transitional lag caused by faulty routers in the OpenTransit backbone in france. Have you missed all the commontion about sending in pingplots etc?
Some lag is ofc due to servers or our individual connections to it, but its comparatively small - the servers are actually doing pretty nice imo, especially since NF (very little in the way of zonecrashes etc).

 

[[TB] Benedictine]

That's the reason I'm still playing games like FF IV etc. Graphics aren't important at all.

Anyone remember the text-based MUDS? Those were loads of fun and you didn't need Geforce 10000 or whatever.

Or even further back - anyone got a D20? Hit! Anyone got a D8?

 

[NeonBlue]

2: Because of Catacombs, in which both the RvR system and the PvE system will greatly improve ( as discribed in my earlier post ). To try out the new classes etc. And last but not least the new graphic engine in this expansion.

RvR system greatly improved in catacombs? sorry but having played catacombs i must of missed it, care to enlighten me?

The new graphics engine, you willl only see if your grahics card is supported, otherwise if ur like me with a graphics card that isnt supported and you only find this fact out AFTER (readme file) u bought the expansion its kinda annoying to find that your only getting half the features.

Not only that, i now have graphics lag due to the new graphics engine which makes Daoc almost unplayable now.So for me to play catacombs properly and get the full beneifits out of it..i have to go and buy a new graphics aswell.

I shouldnt have to upgrade my hardware everytime Mythic bring out a damn expansion!

 

[Thegreatest]

Aye, your right. But still, after what I heard, WoW's PvE system makes it easier to kill mobs. I don't like that, because when I hear it I think of a hack&slash diablo like game. DAoC isnt like that, which is one of the reasons i enjoy it so much.

Please don't judge a game by "hearing", like I said, I've played more than 10 MMORPG's and till now no 1 did come even close to the fun DAoC offered...But WoW really beats DAoC in my eyes, the fact that I played more than 10 MMORPG's and kept comming back and the fact that I've played WoW and never think about playing DAoC again should mean there is something in that game wich attracts me more than DAoC at the moment right? Please play the game, and tell your opinions and views afterwards...Ok if I have to reply to your statements from "what you heard":

NO, it's not like a hack&slash game...WoW's combat system is similar to DAoC's, try hacking & slashing in the mobs without using tactics and you will see yourself eating dirt very fast...

The fact that xp goes faster is true, cause there are maybe 50x more quests to do than in DAoC...I'm amazed about the quantity of quests (ok, lots of em are the kind of "kill x amount of x mobs and return" but the reward and fun that you get exploring new lands while trying to find that particular mob is great). Blizzard did a great job putting that many quests in the game. I'm lvl 12 at the moment and I've got 9 unfinished quests in my journal, and I've done like 6 of em already at lvl 12...So go figure...Almost every merchant or person has a quest to offer at your level. Killing the mobs fast isn't the thing that makes xp'ing faster, the fact that there is amazingly low downtime is the key! You'll almost always have tons of meat and drink that regens your mana and health very fast in your inventory...Even without these you can just sit down after 4-5 kills and within 20 seconds you are ready to fight again...I like that a lot more than DAoC's "kill 2 mobs and get OOP or OOE after 6 styles and rest for 2 mins" system...(I'm not counting Necro's here, they are "special" )

Second, DAoC's RvR system is so much better than WoW's PvP system, so there is still no reason to leave for WoW because of this.

Sir, do you know how DAoC's RVR system was when it first got released? How old is DAoC? How old is WoW? WoW is just out and not everything is implemented in the game even (go figure, the game isn't yet 100% complete and it's so much fun already...). Think you are talking from the things you heard, I haven't participated yet in PVP combat so I won't comment on this.

Note: Tell me when WoW's PvP system gets better than DAoC's RvR system, and I'll give WoW a try, for sure.

For some people it's better already, but there will be of course improvements in the near future..patience...

And the reasons you think why I should return to DAoC are kinda lol for me, you say that I should return for another expansion..Please READ what I wrote, I said I got sick of seeing the game getting worser and worser after every expansion released...And you tell me I should return cause there is another expansion getting released which probably makes the balance worser than it is already? (read: new uber items, read: new uber classes...) No thanks, I'll better buy World of Warcraft instead of giving my money out to another expansion which will probably ruin the game more than it's already ruined at the moment...

Don't get me wrong, DAoC is still a great game...But I feel really sorry for everyone who just needs to start from the scratch with DAoC...The pain: Xp'ing probably lone till lvl 50 cause of no groups (powerleveling, rings a bell?), being happy that he's lvl 50 figuring out that he insta dies in rvr combat cause of not having "uber" gear...The pain number 2: Spending hours of time to get artifacts, to get ML's done, to level those artifacts and stuff...Pain number 3: By the time he's done with all, figuring there is another expansion out which means spending another lots of hours to compete with the elite...

hope I made my pov clear now...

 

[-TDA-Shaki]

Daoc was fine when toa was released, a few months after things (casters) got overpowered. Pre toa a caster would run for their lives if they saw a troll warrior, now they just cast 800+ dmg 4 times in 3 secs way before the warrior can even reach them.

So i decided to play my runemaster more, now ml8 and rr6l4, full toa sc all resists capped etc, pretty nice char, and tonight at bled bridge i get hit for 1900 dmg in 1 hit. Now thats like dragon dmg.

During NF beta, playing a caster was such fun with no ml's and lvl 10 artis, things were more balanced than they are since toa abilities.

Sorry to drift off post, but i dont really want to spend years on another mmorpg, just remember through rose tinted spectacles the days of clubbing nisse and grouping in classic dungeons in midgard.

 

[Vilje]

I shouldnt have to upgrade my hardware everytime Mythic bring out a damn expansion!

And you probably dont have to. I've been playing with the same graphic card through all the expansions ( Gefore ti4600 ), and I've done very well.

I think i get your point tho.

Remember, I just expressed the reasons I could think of, that could lure players back to DAoC.

 

[Vilje]

NO, it's not like a hack&slash game...WoW's combat system is similar to DAoC's, try hacking & slashing in the mobs without using tactics and you will see yourself eating dirt very fast...

Aye, your are right lad, I very often judge by hearing, but hey, I'm not perfect, I admit it! Maybe I lost you somewhere in my thoughts, but I did not mean to attack your point of view in any offensive way mate. Sorry if you felt that way lad.

Anyways, what I did say was that I get a hack&slash feeling out of it. You don't. What can we do?

You have proven your point to me lad. I could have written a long, boring reply to all that u have written, but then I would have started some endless long discussion about who said this and who said that and a lot of quotes ( which I'm not good at ) just to satisfy my own ego. And it would bore you to death I promice you. :touch:

And for the record, I've been playing DAoC almost since the very beginning ( 21/03 2002 ) with some breaks. And I've always liked the RvR system, which is why I justify/defend it as much as I do. I've never played WoW, however, I have friends that have played/is playing(?) the US beta.

The majority of the lag people experience isnt server or client side lag, its transitional lag caused by faulty routers in the OpenTransit backbone in france. Have you missed all the commontion about sending in pingplots etc? .

I probably have then, sorry about that lad . But I take it the lagg people is talking about is still connection based then. It does not depend on the clients hardware or? If so, I think I made my point

Please /ignore my posts from now on, if im totally out of line.

EDIT: Just some foul quoting

 

[Vilje]

And the reasons you think why I should return to DAoC are kinda lol for me, you say that I should return for another expansion..Please READ what I wrote, I said I got sick of seeing the game getting worser and worser after every expansion released...And you tell me I should return cause there is another expansion getting released which probably makes the balance worser than it is already? (read: new uber items, read: new uber classes...) No thanks, I'll better buy World of Warcraft instead of giving my money out to another expansion which will probably ruin the game more than it's already ruined at the moment...

I was my pure intention to answer you question, which was: Why would I return to DAoC? Then I listed the reasons which I thought would be the ones that could make you return to DAoC. I did not list reasons why you should return to DAoC, lad. Thats for you to find out...And I made that list just to "help" you. Just to answer your question, not attack you in any sort of way. Again, just a small detail.

Imho, Catacombs will probably be worth trying if you have played as long as I have, lad, which again is one of the reasons I'm in this damned neverending discussion. I would compare that to leave a cookie half eaten

So...my posting ended as 3 separate boring ones, instead of one long boring one, sorry about this. All these misunderstandings and small details became too much for me.

EDIT: Grammar

 

[Poon]

You make a good post Vilje but your overuse of the word lad makes me want to throw my moniter through my front room window :E

 

[Vilje]

You make a good post Vilje but your overuse of the word lad makes me want to throw my moniter through my front room window :E

Hehehe thank you

Aye, I know that word can be damn annoying :touch:
Became addicted to that word during a looooong -----> keep raid last week, in which the word which we shall not mention no more, was abused to the very limits. Sorry 'bout that one, I'm a bit off topic now.

 

[NeonBlue]

And you probably dont have to. I've been playing with the same graphic card through all the expansions ( Gefore ti4600 ), and I've done very well.

I think i get your point tho.

Remember, I just expressed the reasons I could think of, that could lure players back to DAoC.

depends on ur card...if ur unlucky enough to have a card that doesnt support the "reflecting water" graphics then a good chance it wont support the new graphics engine.

Probably 90%+ of ppl it wont be a problem but for the small minority of ppl it means not only a new expansion but a new graphics card too.

Just annoys me that the only place i could find this information was in the readme file. If i had known about this before buying Catacombs then i wouldnt of bought it

Other than that the only thing that could lure me back to DAOC is a non toa / nf server (which aint gonna happen)

 

[kaedrick2]

I am playing WoW now and at the moment it puts Camelot in the shade. I am sorry to say this cause I am a big fan of Camelot but that's the way WoW is appearing at the moment. With regards to the R v R aspect...I only have one experience of that and that was when I was traveling in Alliance held land when a troll, one level below me (lvl 11) passed me on the road. He stopped and bowed and then ran off. It was really funny cause at his level he should not have been anywhere near Alliance territories and I could not believe it. In any event once I had recovered from the shock I went after him and killed him (have to admit I felt a bit bad afterwards). Not sure what this says about R v R but it was a new and, I have to say it, refreshing experience to me.

 

[Jaapi]

It's different and hard to compare the 2 games. Both seem to have character imbalances that are not gonna get fixed ever, so people have atleast something to whine about.

And in RvR DAoC will still outshine all games by far. Shame it got ruined with stupid expansions.

 

[Vilje]

Just annoys me that the only place i could find this information was in the readme file. If i had known about this before buying Catacombs then i wouldnt of bought it

Other than that the only thing that could lure me back to DAOC is a non toa / nf server (which aint gonna happen)

That must have been frustrating mate, they should have put that information somewhere obvious!

Did u get to play Catacombs, or dident it work out? If it did work out, did they do the RvR dungeon thingy in Catacombs? And if they did the RvR dungeon, was it comparable to 1 fg vs 1 fg in emain in the old days? I'd really like to know

 

[Halfmoon]

Funny to see how sure most of ppls are from moving to WoW.
To me WoW looks like childish cartoon with boogey mans and stuff.
I think younger players maybe move to it but older like my self not.
GOA is betrayed DAOC players many times i think but Blizzard do that same think. Promises what they dont keep and better support to US players.
Pre-order beta should be released middle of December but Blizz betrays first time and second time is coming when theys game release day goes longer and longer and longer and longer .....

I try WoW but i love DAOC too much that i can leave it.

Funny to read that so many players are so long played the game they hate so much DAOC.

 

[Zapsi]

Funny to see how sure most of ppls are from moving to WoW.
To me WoW looks like childish cartoon with boogey mans and stuff.
I think younger players maybe move to it but older like my self not.
GOA is betrayed DAOC players many times i think but Blizzard do that same think. Promises what they dont keep and better support to US players.
Pre-order beta should be released middle of December but Blizz betrays first time and second time is coming when theys game release day goes longer and longer and longer and longer .....

I try WoW but i love DAOC too much that i can leave it.

Funny to read that so many players are so long played the game they hate so much DAOC.

Iam old and moving what do age have to do with it ?

 

[Shike]

Funny to see how sure most of ppls are from moving to WoW.
To me WoW looks like childish cartoon with boogey mans and stuff.
I think younger players maybe move to it but older like my self not.
GOA is betrayed DAOC players many times i think but Blizzard do that same think. Promises what they dont keep and better support to US players.
Pre-order beta should be released middle of December but Blizz betrays first time and second time is coming when theys game release day goes longer and longer and longer and longer .....

I try WoW but i love DAOC too much that i can leave it.

Funny to read that so many players are so long played the game they hate so much DAOC.

Age has little to do with it, everyone perceive entertainment differently, which you, at your age should have learned by now. GOA is total shit to deal with if you compare it to Mythic, the difference is just unreal. And a large reason many still play DAoC is simple, there isnt any other games out worth playing at this moment. WoW seem to be a game worth playing, thus alot of people consider a move, whats so weird with that? I dont understand your reasoning at all. Its just games after all.

When you write that you love it too much so you cant leave it, and in the same post critisise others for not beeing as addicted as you are, it sounds to me as if its you who are the one with a problem. Is it so that you are jealous or frustrated with your own feelings towards DAoC since you cant leave, but others can? Take a few steps back and think alittle about it mate, I think you need some distance to gaming. Just a friendly advice, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[NeonBlue]

That must have been frustrating mate, they should have put that information somewhere obvious!

Did u get to play Catacombs, or dident it work out? If it did work out, did they do the RvR dungeon thingy in Catacombs? And if they did the RvR dungeon, was it comparable to 1 fg vs 1 fg in emain in the old days? I'd really like to know

Very frustrating...

yeah i got to play Catacombs, but i could only do the "instant" dungeons, everywhere else i had graphics lag and could barely move

So most of the game for me is unplayable now, plus, add to the fact i dont get the nifty new graphics engine, Catacombs for me personally is a BIG let down. Thats 3 expansions and 3 washouts in my book (TOA, NF, Catacombs)

As for the RvR dungeon i didnt get to play that myself but i didnt hear anyone else mention it either. Am not saying it doesnt exsist just noone i knew mentioned they had tried it or seen it

So ive given up on Daoc totally now, some will like catacombs, but for most, after the new graphics its nothing exciting or new

 

[Vilje]

As for the RvR dungeon i didnt get to play that myself but i didnt hear anyone else mention it either. Am not saying it doesnt exsist just noone i knew mentioned they had tried it or seen it

I figured it out now It doesent exsist yet I found out, so no wonder u havent heard about it, or seen it

It is called Instanced RvR, and it will be introduced together with the cluster servers. They havent yet introduced it in the US, but they will in somewhere early in 2005.

Info can be found here:
http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1860.shtml

I've also created a new thread about the matter.

EDIT: The link.

 

[NeonBlue]

I figured it out now It doesent exsist yet I found out, so no wonder u havent heard about it, or seen it

It is called Instanced RvR, and it will be introduced together with the cluster servers. They havent yet introduced it in the US, but they will in somewhere early in 2005.

Info can be found here:
http://www.camelotherald.com/more/1860.shtml

I've also created a new thread about the matter.

EDIT: The link.

ahh that..wasnt sure if u meant that or not..but since u mentioned Catacombs thought u meant something else and i missed it

another brain storm of Mythics

 

[majik]

Long live DAoC

 

[Jaapi]

To me WoW looks like childish cartoon with boogey mans and stuff.
I think younger players maybe move to it but older like my self not.

Actually it's quite the opposite. Usually younger players value graphics more than older ones, who value gameplay more.