DAoC vs WoW

[Thornar]

I read a couple of interviews with Frior and Jacobs who admitted that they had made some serious mistakes with TOA.

Any link to this?

 

[Deerstalker]

Sticking with ToA

WoW

Played the US open beta of wow, and I leveled my hunter to 25 in less than 3 days, the quest system is good well thought out.

But, RvR content is none existant, pve servers it doesn't actually exist at all, unless you attack a realm guard of the opposing side to get a flag so that the opponents can kill you. * SWG Tef abuse style.

Graphics, WoW is very nice , if there isn't anyone else in the zone with you, more than 20 people in the zone and it all starts to slow down, I'm sure that they will fix this but at the moment it's still beta quality code.

Sameness, basically after 3 days I'ld visited all the good cities and thier sub level 40 zones , rolled on another server and done the same with the evil side, rolled pvp killed and been killed and walked away from the character, too hard core pvp for my tastes.

I want to play PvP, but not full time, daoc offers this but wow doesn't it's all or nothing.

Walking down throught the dividing zones as a level 20 hunter I walked right up to the orc home town and /dance /waved to all the sub level 10 chars as they exp'ed. When people get to the max level and start abusing the flags / pvp ganking I can see it getting uncontrollable and hugely fustrating.

DAoC
Love the New Frontiers, even if I do miss wandering around old odins and hadrians solo, there have been some epic keep fights in the past few weeks and hope that people stick with it.
Can't wait for catacombs to come out for some dungeon crawling

DS

 

[Darzil]

Hardest thing for me with Artifacts has been seeing all the whines about how boring it is to train them solo, when most of them don't have to be trained solo. I mean, buffbot and 'solo' person may be effective, but time goes much faster when you are with friends.

Roll on 1.71 and the ability to train them all in company.

Darzil

 

[duran.3d]

I may try WoW, but I think I will stick to DAOC because I like RvR, which is exactly what WoW doesn't have.

 

[Loosey]

i find it totally hilarous people saying "ooooh WoW will be lag free!!"

lol reality check people...200,000 people clammering on release day aint gonna be lag free EVER! its looking like WoW will have double to population of DAOC spread over less servers.. oh joy.. the only difference youll see with WoW is more kids and instead of whining at GOA youll whine at Blizzard, who to be frank prolly wont give 2 shits once they have your money anyway.. better the devil you know and all that!! go go GOA!!

As much as i want to play WoW im going to refrain for a year or so and see how it settles out once all the Hype bandwagon jumpers are gone and the servers settle down some.

 

[Poon]

i find it totally hilarous people saying "ooooh WoW will be lag free!!"

lol reality check people...200,000 people clammering on release day aint gonna be lag free EVER! its looking like WoW will have double to population of DAOC spread over less servers.. oh joy.. the only difference youll see with WoW is more kids and instead of whining at GOA youll whine at Blizzard, who to be frank prolly wont give 2 shits once they have your money anyway.. better the devil you know and all that!! go go GOA!!

As much as i want to play WoW im going to refrain for a year or so and see how it settles out once all the Hype bandwagon jumpers are gone and the servers settle down some.

I'd prolly expect around 40+ euro servers for WOW on release or soon after, not the 10? that DAOC has.

As for double the pop of DAOC europe hmmm, could prolly try 8x and the rest counting the french and german servers aswell.

I think judging a game off your own limited knowlage of how game companys work is flawed

 

[Poon]

im staying because Svartmetall is.. what a great community we'd be left with if all the toss-wanks left for WoW.. infact i hope they all delete and sell theyre accounts... all the Fotm rollers will leave thank god... maybe finally i can get around to finding some arties uncamped and ready for the taking looking at the poll so far it would seem most of the kids will leave.. which is always a good thing.. and most of the gankg groups will leave.. (do they still exist?) i like NF... i like the fighting style... and imo the lag is caused by all the whiners typing "ffs zerging albs lagging the server" at the same time
2000 people + typing the same sentence + at the same time = dead server!!

there you go lag problems solved!! all bugger off to WoW and leave us grumpy DAOCer's in peace!! now remove camlann and replace with CO-op server!!

I dont really think there was such a nead to sound so hatefull towards people who just want to play the game a different way to you, these "leet tosspots" were mainly the people who sorted your alliances for you, took enemy relics and defended yours and added some sort of compatition to the game.

A game where your group cant make a difference only the number of groups matters isnt really so exciting is it, the main reason why alot of FG players left was because they wanted to play the game in a way that they found fun, Mythic then decided that you wernt allowed to play your way to had to play Mythics way and so a few good FG's have stayed regardless (AD is about the only one that comes to mind but i could be wrong might be more) but most of the people who added the spice into your realms have left you, the people who put the time in and the people who knew how to get things done.

But anyway i'm glad some people still play DAOC and enjoy it, if you dont like WOW then dont move to it but please refrain from trying to get all high and mighty about it.

 

[Poon]

*snip* It's just that having then enjoyed the experience of fg battles and victories over a long period of time the idea of returning to a game of large scale battles (particularly with population differences) just doesn't appeal to them - which is fair enough.

Personally I've always enjoyed both, which makes it easy to adjust now that the game has in some ways reverted to those very early days *snip*

No offence Bracken but in the 3 years? i played DAOC i dont think i ever saw you in a FG outside of PVE and even then i expect you had 3 fg in your chat group xp'ing near by xD

 

[Loosey]

I'd prolly expect around 40+ euro servers for WOW on release or soon after, not the 10? that DAOC has.

As for double the pop of DAOC europe hmmm, could prolly try 8x and the rest counting the french and german servers aswell.

I think judging a game off your own limited knowlage of how game companys work is flawed

not really ive dealt with Blizzard before, theyre nothing special.. and i thouroughly expect WoW to be overcrowded.. 40 servers? i doubt it.. youd be lucky to see more than 20...
Blizzard make semi-decent RTS games... this is theyre first expedition into MMORPG land and youd be nieve to expect it to run smoothly for atleast a year... which is why ill wait.

 

[Loosey]

I dont really think there was such a nead to sound so hatefull towards people who just want to play the game a different way to you, these "leet tosspots" were mainly the people who sorted your alliances for you, took enemy relics and defended yours and added some sort of compatition to the game.

A game where your group cant make a difference only the number of groups matters isnt really so exciting is it, the main reason why alot of FG players left was because they wanted to play the game in a way that they found fun, Mythic then decided that you wernt allowed to play your way to had to play Mythics way and so a few good FG's have stayed regardless (AD is about the only one that comes to mind but i could be wrong might be more) but most of the people who added the spice into your realms have left you, the people who put the time in and the people who knew how to get things done.

But anyway i'm glad some people still play DAOC and enjoy it, if you dont like WOW then dont move to it but please refrain from trying to get all high and mighty about it.

youve it back to front.. the leet tosspots didnt start the alliances.. nor did they do anything to help the realm, theyre the ones who sit for days camping things to sell on at inflated prices... which WoW will have in abundance.. i played WoW Beta.. and i expect it to be more of the same... give it a year and itll settle down a bit.. but lag fest a-hoy!! make no mistake it will be more laggy than 300 albs in uppland.

 

[Poon]

youve it back to front.. the leet tosspots didnt start the alliances.. nor did they do anything to help the realm, theyre the ones who sit for days camping things to sell on at inflated prices... which WoW will have in abundance.. i played WoW Beta.. and i expect it to be more of the same... give it a year and itll settle down a bit.. but lag fest a-hoy!! make no mistake it will be more laggy than 300 albs in uppland.

No doubt youd of thought KG as a leet 1fg tosspot player but he did alot of messing around for MID with alliances and raids, same goes for me, NP have carried relics before and got through when others wouldnt, LA have done the same, Herbal was an elitist tosspot though he pretended otherwise and he organised alot of things, Ardamel used to enjoy his FG combat (Though he does enjoy the old keep farms more ^^ ) and he did rather alot.

I dont know your name so maybe you dont know anyone i've mentioned as your too new but imo if you lose your players who sink time into the game and take it serious then maybe thats worse then you think.

 

[Esoteric]

Dont Forget

Lords of England and Servants of the Lake.

Did alot for Alb Prydwen ;p.

 

[Tiki]

Mythic "had" a great game 2years ago but now I cant even be bothered to log in. Takes some to do that, il try wow n anything else that looks half decent. Nf is so wank tho

 

[RS|Phil]

As interesting as this is you should have done

Sticking with DAOC and I'm a Mid
Sticking with DAOC and I'm an Alb
Sticking with DAOC and I'm a Hib
Leaving DAOC for WoW Hib/Mid/Alb
Will try WoW and perhaps return to DAoC Hib/Mid/Alb
Playing both. Hib/Mid/Alb


That would be a more interesting poll. Many options, true, but more indicative of the true telling of the game's future You should post it and link to it from here for everyone please.

I'd do it but I dpn't seem to be able to create polls....

 

[Bracken]

No offence Bracken but in the 3 years? i played DAOC i dont think i ever saw you in a FG outside of PVE and even then i expect you had 3 fg in your chat group xp'ing near by xD

No offence taken . Regularly ran in fg over the last 3 years - and remember fighting your groups on a number of occasions, particularly in Odin's. Guess playing easy mode you had your eyes closed though.

 

[Zephyd]

i enjoyed pve when i first took daoc up... not any more ofc and imo WoW will be no different.

good at first but give it a few months and it will be the same as any other pve, tedious and repetative

 

[BreadBin]

Im gonna be playing WoW. DAOC stopped being fun for me when TOA came out.

 

[Esoteric]

i enjoyed pve when i first took daoc up... not any more ofc and imo WoW will be no different.

good at first but give it a few months and it will be the same as any other pve, tedious and repetative

This is the thing about WoW that I am excited about, levelling with your friends isn't boring because you predominantly level just by questing. The story lines are extremely in depth and interesting and you get to do it with some mates.

It might become repetative when you roll a different character but Im sure that at the very least class specific ones will be different.

DAoC levelling was very grind orientated and was mind numbingly so at times.

 

[Indio]

i enjoyed pve when i first took daoc up... not any more ofc and imo WoW will be no different.

good at first but give it a few months and it will be the same as any other pve, tedious and repetative

Now, try and convince me that RvR is not tedious, boring and repetitive.

Like, er, taking turns at killing each other is so much more fun?

 

[Oldfaravid]

I read a couple of interviews with Frior and Jacobs who admitted that they had made some serious mistakes with TOA..

Show me a link.. no developer would be so dumb as to go out and openly admit they did serious mistakes. If they really realized this they would have hotfixed it and done nerfs on toa caps like 5% melee speed cap instead of 10 etc... The master level encounters would have been hotfixed so 1fg could make all steps etc... infact MYTHIC is PROUD OVER ToA and NF...

 

[Zephyd]

Now, try and convince me that RvR is not tedious, boring and repetitive.

because the combat is often varied and challenging?

 

[Chesnox]

because the combat is often varied and challenging?

It is? Explain pls

 

[Mysteriax]

At first I had serious doubts about WoW.
Then US beta came around and I didnt like it (lag issues WoW chrashing all the time)
Then I got my Beta invitation well I thought I'm gonna test it out. Installed the game playing for 2 weeks now and I love it. I am not powerleveling so I am not that high (a level 25, 10 and some lower) but leveling isnt as fast as everyone says it is. Atleast not when you are a warrior . I'm also enjoying myself with other things then fighting. BTW the auction house is the best system ever (although it needs some tweaks)
On the other hand I think DAoC is the better game, unfortunatly I kinda seen DAoC now and RvR was never my thing.

 

[Poon]

It is? Explain pls

Because a good enemy isnt predictable, AI always is

Go and RVR sometime youll see what i mean

 

[Zephyd]

Because a good enemy isnt predictable, AI always is

Go and RVR sometime youll see what i mean

ty

 

[Oldfaravid]

Because a good enemy isnt predictable, AI always is

Go and RVR sometime youll see what i mean

DaoC atm is pretty predictable.. im ML0 and as soon as i encounter a sojourner ML8+ i know im gonna get zephyrd and owned..

 

[Chesnox]

Because a good enemy isnt predictable, AI always is

Go and RVR sometime youll see what i mean

And exactly how many 'good' enemies are there in post-NF zerg 4tw RvR? Just how unpredictable is it getting whacked by the scout/sorc fotm zerg or steam-rollered by a 100 fotm PLd noobs? RvR ceased to be anything other than predictably crap (imho ofc) months ago.

The only way RvR is unpredictable and fun, is if you have one of the classes that are top of the food chain. If you have something like, oooh lets say a tank, then RvR is very predictable. Predictably crap and boring, unless operating trebs is you're bag ofc.

 

[Radix]

At first WOW didnt seem like it was anything.
But The more I read the more it seemed like it could offer lots of fun.

PvE servers will be more for the everquest type but PvP could be choice for the rvr Camelot crowd.

Blizzard did make blance easier on them self but they still show dedication to balance even if they made it easier to do. I think that will be the big difference between games. The difference on developer who care and one who doesnt.

Mythic made it bit harder for them self to manage balance, but thats part of why their game is so great. Problem is that they cant manage this great game at all. Its hard to believe just how clueless Mythic has been (and still is) when it comes to their own game.

 

[Hendrich]

join the hype!!
join WoW!!!
Will surely try it (as i do with most mmorpg's) but i'm guessing it might be a bit too hyped (and i'm afraid of the kiddies that definately will be playing it)
will try EQ2 also very soonish (heard it has an adult player base and as i'm getting older ...

Moved to WoW US version 1 week ago and been playing every night. Have not had any bad expierence like you do in DAOC with camped mobs and such... First person or party that hits the mob, gets all the xp regardless if someone outside of grp hits or not. As far as kiddies go, hmmm have no idea but people seam to be way more polite then on DAOC.

As far as what runed DAOC, it wasnt TOA or NF... it was the community and the rude people that did

 

[Poon]

And exactly how many 'good' enemies are there in post-NF zerg 4tw RvR? Just how unpredictable is it getting whacked by the scout/sorc fotm zerg or steam-rollered by a 100 fotm PLd noobs? RvR ceased to be anything other than predictably crap (imho ofc) months ago.

The only way RvR is unpredictable and fun, is if you have one of the classes that are top of the food chain. If you have something like, oooh lets say a tank, then RvR is very predictable. Predictably crap and boring, unless operating trebs is you're bag ofc.

Well i was really talking in general, yes i do know that most of the good fg's have gone and whats left is mainly casual rvr's and zerglings with a smattering of old style fg's,

But then its also fun killing players, Like taking on Shadowlords was about as deadly as a triple pull of weewolves but i enjoyed beating on their asses more