DAoC vs WoW

[Scorba]

Playing EQ2 atm (when it works) which is great for PVE. So far, Id say it urinates from a great height on DAOC PVE. Already wish it had some good PvP but every time I log into DAOC to get some I encounter the awful NF yet again, get angry and log off.

Will try WoW with its toy town gfx but expect I will be dissapointed when it delivers worse PVE than EQ2 and worse RvR than pre NF DAOC.

Hopefully someone else will come along with a serious contender that takes the best of all of these games and we can all be happy (Yeah, some hope I know!)

 

[Morchaoron]

 

[Awarkle]

o well if all goes well on monday guess who im going to be working for anywho i wont be playing WoW if i get the job as GM i dont think i would feel happy working as a gm all day at an office then going home and playing even more WoW at home. Dunno how the Daoc GMs feel it was like my teacher at school said sitting on a computer at work then going home and playing on more computer isnt really that fun

o well wish me luck ive got to somehow travel to the job interview without knowing that much french

 

[Vilje]

oh well

I have not been playing in quite some time now, but why is it that people hates ToA that much?

Is it because it takes too much time? Too much time for the ml's and artifacts? It seems to me that many of the players are more of the "hack and slash" kind. Get the best char with the best gear and so on, and start killing.
It also looks like it is these people whom are leaving for wow.

It is supposed to take time imho, and it would'nt be the same if it did'nt. ToA brought some cool graphics and features to the game imo, and it will be even better graphics when catacombs is out.

And btw, you will not be seeing any of daoc's good rvr/pvp system in wow. Daoc already has the best, don't forget that.

daoc > wow

 

[[TB] Benedictine]

I think that argument underestimates the significant rvr playing segment that became disenchanted with DAOC after TOA.

I built up my characters through PvE (which was ok but not my thing) and developed them over almost 3 years. Then after TOA came out I found that to continue what I loved doing (RvR) I had to start up with PvE again and all that I had worked for was a waste of time. That's why I hate TOA and why I left DAOC.

 

[NeonBlue]

ToA brought some cool graphics and features to the game imo, and it will be even better graphics when catacombs is out.

And btw, you will not be seeing any of daoc's good rvr/pvp system in wow. Daoc already has the best, don't forget that.

daoc > wow

Thats providing your graphics card supports the new graphics engine..if it doesnt like i found out with mine, after buying 2 copies (US version) and reading the info INSIDE the manual.
Would of been nice if i had some prior knowledge of what cards were supported could of saved myself some money, but then again if they told you that guess they wouldnt be able to "con" ppl like me

Then ur getting nothing much really except 2 new classes and more PVE grind!

As for WoW's PvP system if its as good as they make out it will be...then sorry but for me personally it will "out do" Daocs system.
An Honour system where ur rewarded for the "Good" deeds you do in PvP, where you receive "Epic / Unquie" items, a Barracks or maybe your own title and Tabard....holds much more for me than some realm points for ganking ur enemies whilst defending a keep or tower, just because ur playing a "FOTM" caster with insane casting speeds, to buy some naff realm abilities


WoW to my suprise is so much more enjoyable...the PvE doesnt feel like a grind..infact with the questing system its fun ! This coming from a guy who hated quests and never did any in Daoc...but thats the difference..

In Daoc quests took you ages, all round your Realm and for very little reward
In WoW quests (so far) seem shorter, have good stories to them and with most of them u get a choice of reward and/or money

Daoc has had its day and that day has now passed, but everyone will have a different view/opinion as everyone doesnt play the same game the same way

 

[NeonBlue]

[QUOTE='[TB] Then after TOA came out I found that to continue what I loved doing (RvR) I had to start up with PvE again and all that I had worked for was a waste of time. That's why I hate TOA and why I left DAOC.[/QUOTE]

Agree totally, nothing like spending 3yrs getting ur characters to a state where ur happy with them..just to find that you've to start all over again, just to find out ull die in 10secs anyways

Not my idea of fun!

 

[Zephyd]

after posting positive comments on daoc earlier, i still cannot say the WoW is better due to my not having played it

I can say that daoc doesn't hold it's appeal any more...i have found much more enjoyment out of hl2dm, my clan inc to clanbase and it's all more exciting to me than daoc has been in ~1 year.
Although i must say, it's not what daoc was to me 2+ years ago

The appeal of a fresh game will pull people from daoc, whether WoW is better or not, people are looking for alternatives to daoc...

 

[Iceflower]

I think the main negative thing about Doac today is the huge inflation we have gotten in the game, be it items, gold or a character abilities. That has reduced the sense of challenge in the pve area, just forcing you to spend lots of time doing menial tasks like leveling artifacts and hunting for that item that will cap your stats all around. The fun factor is very low in this area. Though I suspect this kind of inflation will hit any MMORPG after serveral years and nothing in that is special for Doac.

Further, I am very surprised that Mythic couldnt come up with a good design for the realm war concept during all these years, ie some purpose with the pvp. The game's backdrop is fantastic and all they could come up with was a fantasy team fortress mod? Real shame. Today we dont know if Blizzard manages to get ahead in that area, only time will tell.

But the driver for me is that Wow seems to be a game where you dont need a second account to play the game with decent performance. Toa really showed me why you need a buffbot to enjoy the game, being mandatory for scrollfarming in certain areas of ToA (unless you spend oodles of time farming gold at more viable places to buy the expensive scrolls on cms). Leveling artifacts unbuffed as a rm has been like watching paint dry thanks to the extended time it takes to grind your way though it compared to being buffed, nothing you want to waste precious spare time on. And with the variance of different artis did make it very difficult to find likeminded to get the group benefit during the grinding. The last thing isnt the game's fault though, more due to the size of the Prydwen server population.

And of course, the grass do seem greener on the neigbour's yard. But even if it just looks greener thanks to the way the sun shines today a game sans buffbots is just what the doctor ordered.

 

[GReaper]

I have not been playing in quite some time now, but why is it that people hates ToA that much?

Is it because it takes too much time? Too much time for the ml's and artifacts? It seems to me that many of the players are more of the "hack and slash" kind. Get the best char with the best gear and so on, and start killing.
It also looks like it is these people whom are leaving for wow.

It is supposed to take time imho, and it would'nt be the same if it did'nt. ToA brought some cool graphics and features to the game imo, and it will be even better graphics when catacombs is out.

Grind vs Fun.

Master levels can be fun, although some of them do require zergs (a lot of effort to get). Having to organise a highly optimised group for group trials is not fun though!

Doing an artifact encounter once is fun! However having to do it 10 times because it didn't drop the first time is grind and is not fun.

Having to farm for 3 scrolls for your artifact is grind and is not fun.

Having to spend 20 hours levelling up a Jacinas Sash is grind and is not fun.

Mythic did add a lot of nice new content to ToA, however they added far too much grind. Where is the fun in repeatedly killing the same mob over and over again?

 

[Danya]

Don't forget the "excitement" of camping an artifact mob for 30 hours waiting for the spawn.
Or a 6 hour master level raid because people are LD every 5 mins.

 

[Flimgoblin]

Don't forget the "excitement" of camping an artifact mob for 30 hours waiting for the spawn.
Or a 6 hour master level raid because people are LD every 5 mins.

camping = stupidity

the latter is kinda hard to avoid atm but Eggy's ML8 raid was a good way to handle people LDing. Give them 5m at the start of each trial, miss it - tough shit.

1.71 allows you to actually group with other people to level artifacts which makes it a lot more fun - can go do a ml raid, an xp hunt, a dungeon crawl or whatever and xp your arti rather than camping statues outside volcanus or whatever

 

[Tokz]

oh btw, daoc was already dying a painful death pre-toa with its AWFUL character balance issues

yea, copy paste is much better ;(

 

[Jenna]

Dont Forget

Lords of England and Servants of the Lake.

Did alot for Alb Prydwen ;p.

Aye, who can forget Lords of teh Zerg and Zergers of the Lake?

 

[Iceflower]

>Where is the fun in repeatedly killing the same mob over and over again?

Well it is really an indoctrination course ordered by factory owners to identify potiential workers. If you can stand that kind of gameplay for long periods you have the mindset required for manning an assembly line in a factory

That or poor gamedesign...

 

[Syri]

I'm going WoW all the way. DAoC's had it's day for me, but it's time to move on

 

[Neffneff]

nice tits syri ^^

 

[Shadoo]

Theres only one way to find out!!!


FIGHT!!!


ahem those of u who watch harry hill will understand

 

[Baltazhar]

After they released ToA 80% of Daoc died for me. People got greedy, angry and frustaded only over a small thing like an artifatc. So all I had left was stealth RvR in Midgard froniter I loved to camp HPK Odins since Hib casters are usually free realm points if they´re low realm ranks. SOrry to say guys but you actually are
Then they released NF and the rest 20% of Daoc died. NF killed stealth and solo RvR completly. I cant kill an enemy without being killed by that fg that followed him or that stealther that just happend to be next to him
So bye bye Daoc, you really messsed up

 

[Ctuchik]

i tried doom3 first day it was released finished in 23 hours veteran its to easy fps need something that take my time and not boring aswell

ok didnt bother reading passed this so excuse me if its been asked already.. but u ever tried Planetside? think its a game that will appeal to u.. MMO fps its acually quite fun.. especially since u can get the randon PM from the 1337 d00d u just ran over in a tank saying u were haxoring...

 

[CrimsonHaze]

Last I heard from the game develpment press a Euro WOW is not due till Q4 2005....and then it is a big 'maybe'

 

[Stekkerdoos]

Not Q4 2005, early 2005

http://www.blizzard.co.uk/press/041122.shtml

 

[sko]

The reason why many people are leaving may not necessarily be that WoW > Daoc. Daoc is a good game, seriously it is. I've played it for 3 years and I hate it now. But if the game wasn't good, how come thousands and thousands wasted years and years playing it?

The simple fact that human brain always is seeking and needing new things (and by that, a new expansion for Daoc isnt good enough), is what makes people THINK that "WoW > Daoc"..

Wrong: WoW > Daoc
Correct: New > Old

 

[parfait]

daoc -> waiting for ages getting a group. then some noob goes afk, so waiting longer. then someone goes ld. then grp is ready. oh look. ive spent 2 hours doing nothing.

none of this on warcraft. u can get a grp easy, or if u wanna solo, quests cater for that aswell

 

[snoz]

Last I heard from the game develpment press a Euro WOW is not due till Q4 2005....and then it is a big 'maybe'

hehehe guy with finger on pulse.

 

[Neffneff]

daoc -> waiting for ages getting a group. then some noob goes afk, so waiting longer. then someone goes ld. then grp is ready. oh look. ive spent 2 hours doing nothing.

none of this on warcraft. u can get a grp easy, or if u wanna solo, quests cater for that aswell

same could have been said for DAoC when it was new..though there could have been a few more quests to make it easier to 100% lvl via them...that said..you can get alot of XP from quests...i always did when i first played.

 

[Vilje]

The lvling is boring issue

Apparently the boring PvE thingy is going to be fixed in "Catacombs" ?
You go into a dungeon which gives u mobs made especially for u and your grp.
Could be interesting.

The same with rvr i take it? U go down into a dungeon and the server connect you with a grp at the same "level".

This is what i heard atleast.

I think catacombs will be worth atleast a try if this is the case!

 

[Illtar]

Blizzard really will have to do a good job to overcome DAoC in the end.

Hearing atm that balance is horrid in WoW, and pvp is hard to engage in.

 

[Thegreatest]

Blizzard really will have to do a good job to overcome DAoC in the end.

Hearing atm that balance is horrid in WoW, and pvp is hard to engage in.

I'm playng WoW at the moment, and everything I did miss at Dark Age of Camelot is included in WoW...You get tons of quests, can just level with only doing quest, you can now actually control and upgrade your pet, nice to buy new abbilities for your pet . Also the training is done much nicer, no gimp sec worries or no "what spec is better" thing...Everyone can buy every spell from every spell list . I've played more than 10 differnt MMORPG's till now and every time I kept returning back to DAoC...But this time it's over for me, WoW has definitly beaten Dark Age of Camelot

 

[Daedalus]

I'm playng WoW at the moment, and everything I did miss at Dark Age of Camelot is included in WoW...You get tons of quests, can just level with only doing quest, you can now actually control and upgrade your pet, nice to buy new abbilities for your pet . Also the training is done much nicer, no gimp sec worries or no "what spec is better" thing...Everyone can buy every spell from every spell list . I've played more than 10 differnt MMORPG's till now and every time I kept returning back to DAoC...But this time it's over for me, WoW has definitly beaten Dark Age of Camelot

Were you bored of DAoC when you stopped playing?