DAoC vs WoW

[Laston]

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it's funny when people say that: "amagad you need 2 acc's to compete in rvr". Newsflash - you dont need a bb to compete. play grp rvr instead and we're rid of the adding cockwits all over the place, and maybe, just maybe try and move 10 meters away from the bridges or the keep you just ported to. You'd be suprised how big NF is.
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"daoc mez is too long qq". that's why there's RA's/spells that can cure your mez? i've rarely stood for whole duration of mez. or even better, get some resists?
Havn't played wow, but stuff like mind control and shamans seems very unbalanced? no cc immunity? (cept for special races)
i guess it's the braindamage wow inflicts on people

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oh yeah, and no cap on bonuses, and so much insta casting with retimers. I also bet that in 2 expansions you'll have to farm yourself shitless to get the best items in the game to compete in pvp. (daoc rvr in the beginning were with epic and some jewely)

yupp resists, ohh now instead of a 60 sec it´s 30 secs concidering casters need about 4-6 secs max to kill someone it´s more than enough to butcher your group. Purge? hi root, or maybe just MAYBE you dont have purge yet

group pvp? yeah sure i just love getting steamrolled by gank groups over and over!

sure i loove roaming around for a good 10-15 mins and then get mezzed+killed in under 30 seconds!!


CC immunity? not really shamans only CC is a totem with 5 hp that snares everyone around em and frost shock witch does dmg and snares them, diminishing returns so it lasts 8 - 4 -2 - 0 (and no dmg)

Mind Control? i was talking about group PvP mind controll means you take over controll of the enemy, if a Priest mind controlls enemy all he can do is hit (cant use enemy spells) and as it´s a channel one hit on him interupt it, did i mention he cant take any action when mind controlling?. all other CC stuff such as entangle/Root/snares are dispellable (actually MC is dispellable to afaik)

did i mention all CC stuff suffers from diminishing returns (look up frost shock wrote, same for all CC)

ohh i see we where talking about WoW in 2-3 years my bad!

 

[Flimgoblin]

purge is 5 points now...

mezz is dispellable in daoc - stun doesn't last long and you have a minute immunity... (if you can live through it) broken mezz has a minute immunity.

Root has no dispell other than purge but you can still do things when you're rooted (even a tank can throw their weapon or use their bow/thrown weapons to interrupt - sure they're not doing anything near what they normally do but you can still do _something_)

CC in daoc is not the hideous thing it once was.

That mind control thing sounds pretty horrible to me - did I read right? someone focuses and they get your character (to melee with)?

 

[Laston]

purge is 5 points now...

mezz is dispellable in daoc - stun doesn't last long and you have a minute immunity... (if you can live through it) broken mezz has a minute immunity.

Root has no dispell other than purge but you can still do things when you're rooted (even a tank can throw their weapon or use their bow/thrown weapons to interrupt - sure they're not doing anything near what they normally do but you can still do _something_)

CC in daoc is not the hideous thing it once was.

That mind control thing sounds pretty horrible to me - did I read right? someone focuses and they get your character (to melee with)?

yeah it sucks ass tbh, it breaks very easily and the one your controlling is gonna do crap all dmg really without you being able to use his skills

basically the view change from him to the controlled one and he can run around with him and use standard meele attack nothing else, the whole time the priest himself is standing there totally vulnerable unable to do ANYTHING

 

[Ssera]

yeah it sucks ass tbh, it breaks very easily and the one your controlling is gonna do crap all dmg really without you being able to use his skills

basically the view change from him to the controlled one and he can run around with him and use standard meele attack nothing else, the whole time the priest himself is standing there totally vulnerable unable to do ANYTHING

much more fun to make the character you're controlling swim to the bottom of the sea or jump off a cliff... but yes there are the disadvantages too (priest being totally defenseless).

Very situational ability really

 

[Laston]

much more fun to make the character you're controlling swim to the bottom of the sea or jump off a cliff... but yes there are the disadvantages too (priest being totally defenseless).

Very situational ability really

best grief ability in game pretty much

 

[Morchaoron]

That mind control thing sounds pretty horrible to me - did I read right? someone focuses and they get your character (to melee with)?

or you could run through mobs, jump off a cliff or drown him, its a situational spell...

 

[Flimgoblin]

or you could run through mobs, jump off a cliff or drown him, its a situational spell...

so unless someone else is around to break their focus you have no control whatsoever over your character for how long?

 

[Cylian]

so unless someone else is around to break their focus you have no control whatsoever over your character for how long?

10sec roughly, at most.

 

[Flimgoblin]

10sec roughly, at most.

hrm not too bad then if it's a short duration.

 

[Ssera]

yeah it really is situational, but 10 seconds is more than enough to swim someone to the bottom of the sea, make them fly off a cliff or just run through lots of angry-looknig mobs

 

[Danya]

All CC in wow has a chance to break on players every second or two. In general even "long term" CC like polymorph is 10-15s at best (2-3s at worst). All CC can be dispelled. You can self-dispel some CC as well (for instance a mage can blink out of stun). CC is much less annoying in wow than DAoC I've found, but the combat system is also much less dependent on it so it works well.

And best of all, no lame interrupt system.

BTW, best trick for drowning people if to polymorph them - sheep sink like stones.

 

[Cylian]

BTW, best trick for drowning people if to polymorph them - sheep sink like stones.

...and poly breaks as soon as you take damage -> waterbreathing pot or a Deep Dive helmet and it ain't even a problem
(doesn't work with lava though)

but there's a counter to most things in one or the other way.

 

[Danya]

If you're 100 feet down by the time you start taking damage you're screwed.

I just use my hydrocane.

 

[Garnet]

hrm not too bad then if it's a short duration.

Depends on the opponents resists and luck I guess but it can be anything up to 1 minute though certain abilities, like Will of the Forsaken (needs nerfing imo) can break the effect.

 

[Gamah]

This must be the longest thread in FH history :I..anyone know what the longest thread was on BW?

 

[Heta]

RL picture thread, or the thread where we tried to get a gf to Ardrias

 

[Sandariel]

This must be the longest thread in FH history :I..anyone know what the longest thread was on BW?

I'd guess that was the "Real life picture thread".
Think I still remember it hitting 1337 posts. So it prolly had 1.5k+ posts in it before BW closed down

[EDIT]Damn, too slow [/EDIT]

 

[Heta]

pwnd m8!!

 

[Danya]

Depends on the opponents resists and luck I guess but it can be anything up to 1 minute though certain abilities, like Will of the Forsaken (needs nerfing imo) can break the effect.

Never seen any CC last more than 15s in PvP.

 

[Laston]

Never seen any CC last more than 15s in PvP.

you never seen me polied then

 

[Danya]

Well you can repoly to extend it but you only get 3 polys even then.

 

[Morchaoron]

love it when im almost dead, get sheeped and tagged out of sheep just when my health is fully regenerated ;p

(for the wow noobs: if they polymorph you you just wander around aimlessly, but your health regeneration increases by 2000% or so)

 

[lolblows00]

anyone here try guildwars? I got sick and tired of pvp being based on items and shit so i went out and gave it a whirl, i love it hehe.

 

[Laston]

anyone here try guildwars? I got sick and tired of pvp being based on items and shit so i went out and gave it a whirl, i love it hehe.

i cant say im to dependant on items as a Sham im only lvl 58 in half decent gear but i can give lvl 60 a good run for their money (kill quite afew of em to ) some classes like Warriors are VERY equipment dependant though thats why im rolling one

 

[Gamah]

anyone here try guildwars? I got sick and tired of pvp being based on items and shit so i went out and gave it a whirl, i love it hehe.

GW rocks, but like all games you still need to be in semi decent eqip to do well however in GW its MUCH LESS needed.

 

[lolblows00]

gw i pvp in half ass shit and kick ass, i love how much skill is a :eek2: factor =).

 

[nikolas]

I've been hammering PvP in WoW the last 2 weeks, and I have to say I'm really enjoying it personally. I particularly like the action in and around the 3 main goblin towns of Gadgetzan, Booty Bay and Everlook… These towns for those that don’t know are neutral. People can freely start fights, but then they run the risk of getting guard agro.

On Stormreaver these are the main hotspots, as is between Terran Mill and Southshore. The faction balance is quite close to 50/50 on Stormreaver so it's very decent and well balanced… Alliance tends to zerg, while Horde tend to look a bit better organised… When PvP is in full flow you have action similar to a 1st person shooter. Grave yards are very close to the action so quite literally your back into the middle of a fight if you die.

I don't think PvP is bad by any means in WoW. I certainly wouldn't rate it lower than 3/5 generally, but I could see how people on badly balanced servers could tbh. For me personally I love the speed and rewards vs time aspects, potions and engineering that make fights less predictable than daoc. Add the 2 new battlegrounds 10 vs 10 and 40 vs 40 instances soon and your talking pvp on a par, if not better imo - especially of they can implement an /effects off filter to reduce lag.

Item templates are easier to obtain than in daoc… There are some blinding items out there that you can either obtain by running raids or by climbing the pvp ranks which ever you prefer.. Item degradation isn't a problem since you can always repair back to 100% for cash. Spellcrafting isn't a problem since enchanting is very easy (single stats) on weps and armour… so all in all, getting ready to PvP is better for the player masses compared to daoc imo. You don't have to have the best items in the game to stand a chance.

Sure Daoc RvR is good. I loved it and still do, but for the average gamer WoW is more suitable imo. It takes less time to get to do it, items are easily obtained and fights are kicking off 24/7 all over the place on our server.

No stick or face either which is great I've matured as a pvp player a great deal. I've had to learn and adopt new techniques to give me the end in fights.. Simple things like using a 5 button mouse and binding 9 combat styles and abilities, using anti polymorpe trinkets, running with magic resist potions and ofc stun lock immunity pots… There's so many counter measures available and cool weapon and armour procs.

Ask any member of our ex-daoc guild what they think of PvP and they will tell you they love it and looking forward to mad instanced action… It's very addictive.

Sure I'd like a long winded ladder system like daoc, not bothered about silly realm abilities but I do like the time taken to reach the ranks without the decay currently in wow… but tbh I've always been a 1 toon player so it probably suites me more tbh ranks wise

 

[Libertine]

I found levelling in WoW alot slower than DAOC, and as for items, to get the best items you have to run endless amounts of instances, and now MC has been itemized there is a few more weeks camping that place. At least in DAOC you can buy the best items if you don't want to attend every raid.

I played WoW and its a good game, it had some excellent touches, but the pvp was quite boring in comparison to DAOC and the PvE took alot longer. Its much easier to get 50 now in DAOC than 60 in WoW, and with the 'no-honor' system that awards people for killing people 10 levels below things are harder. Then you have the fun of weeks to months of instancing to get the best items.

The main thing WoW has over DAOC is the crafting system, WoW's is very nice and user friendly. DAOC rvr is still far superior to WoW's, and a hell of alot less laggy also.

 

[Cylian]

if you compare a moderna PL-group to 'casual' leveling in WoW, yes, it is slower...

 

[Morchaoron]

and fights are kicking off 24/7 all over the place on our server.

probably the best thing in wow over daoc, i remember that in daoc it was like: running 5 mins, fighting 1 min, running 5 mins, fighting 1 min, running 5 mins... the longer it took to find the next group the easier it was for them to jump us because people started losing attention, especially beacuse everyone was on easymode /stick anyway...

in wow you can just walk over to wherever a fight is going on and when you die you can go back to action in less then a minute, i like that, i play to have fights (have a game) not to run around virtual golfcourses ;o