DAoC vs WoW

[Heta]

canceld wow acc, tired of Blizzard actualy beeing worse then GOA

back in daoc now, activated my Ranger yday and had alot of fun

 

[mincepie]

im staying with daoc. when i dinged my first 50 no toa. i got bored with RvR. now with Toa i have somthink else to do then just RvR. i found my self running in circles alot before. but now with toa i have many more adventures and less boardem. more stress tho but o well

 

[Oldleaf]

And i still dont understand why WOW has 500.000 subscribers in Europe and DAOC only has...

Bad adverisement from GOA, the reputation Blizzard have? or just because DAOC is an old game ?

 

[Andrilyn]

And i still dont understand why WOW has 500.000 subscribers in Europe and DAOC only has...

Bad adverisement from GOA, the reputation Blizzard have? or just because DAOC is an old game ?

It's also because the name Warcraft rings a bell with alot of people because of the other games Blizzard made with the same name (Warcraft, Warcraft2 etc).
I even think that if GOA decided to advertise as much as Blizzard and you would see DAoC on TV and in game magazines you still wouldn't get as much people as Warcraft did.

 

[Danya]

And i still dont understand why WOW has 500.000 subscribers in Europe and DAOC only has...

Bad adverisement from GOA, the reputation Blizzard have? or just because DAOC is an old game ?

Combination of all 3 I think.
GOA basically don't advertise in half the countries it's available in.
Blizzard have a good rep from previous games: warcraft series, starcraft, diablo.
DAoC is old which puts many people off because they are so far behind everyone else. It's no fun to have to play for months before you can even consider competing. WoW being new means everyone started at a similar level so there's much less separating the top from the bottom. That will likely change given time, and then a new mmorpg will come out and scoop up the next batch of new players.

 

[GReaper]

Considering Italy had a total relaunch and Spain had a new launch of the game, the statistics don't look good (Cumbria, Deira). A peak of about 120 for a new server is awful. Did GOA bother to advertise to the Spanish community?

I'd be curious to know if the Spanish version manages to reach the break-even point. A rather high estimate of 300 subscribers at £8 per month would bring in £2,400 of revenue. Take off the transaction fees and add in all the costs of running the game, was Spanish DAoC worthwhile?

 

[jimmyh]

Been playing wow since release in the uk...gettin very bored of it now...nothing to do in the game apart from kill mobs for quest xp....no player housing....no guild options...just a private chat room.

So i'm trying Daoc...and if that does it for me then i shall cancel my WoW account.

Is there a trial for Daoc in the uk? I download the 14 day trial but i think that is only for the US servers.

 

[Aragyn]

For now the only way of getting a Euro trial is knowing someone that plays it, they can invite you to a trial. Though im sure someone here can inv you

 

[Flimgoblin]

if ye give someone yer email address they can send you an invite...

one thing though: make a copy of your US directory first and put the european installer you download into that - should be a bit less to download.

Other option is buying the boxed set (http://www.play.com/play247.asp?pa=sr&page=title&r=PC&title=593823) for 25 quid which includes a free month and should have nicer graphics/more zones/classes.

 

[jimmyh]

Well if any one would like to send me a private message then i can ahdn them my email address for an invite.

Cheers.

 

[Shanaia]

[..] was Spanish DAoC worthwhile?

Way way way to early to call ... and very symptomatic for a large section of the FH/daoc posters .. they see about as far as their nose is long .. these are the same people that declared DAOC was dead when SWG/WoW/Matrixonline/Rose/Toontown got released .. and these are the same people that are still paying the fees on their 2 or 3 accounts every month while jumping on top of every opportinity to postfarm in d00000m d00000m d00000m threads

No offence of course ... just that I wonder when people will get tired of reading (and posting) the same crap on a 3 month cycle before they realise they are just repeating themselves over and over again.

 

[Flimgoblin]

shadowbane was teh death of daoc!

 

[Morchaoron]

shadowbane has always been a joke even before it was released...

 

[gervaise]

Way way way to early to call ... and very symptomatic for a large section of the FH/daoc posters .. they see about as far as their nose is long .. these are the same people that declared DAOC was dead when SWG/WoW/Matrixonline/Rose/Toontown got released .. and these are the same people that are still paying the fees on their 2 or 3 accounts every month while jumping on top of every opportinity to postfarm in d00000m d00000m d00000m threads

No offence of course ... just that I wonder when people will get tired of reading (and posting) the same crap on a 3 month cycle before they realise they are just repeating themselves over and over again.

Disagree. Firstly asking whether GoA advertsied is a perfectly valid question. Second the numbers - and peak populations of 80 now - are pathetic. Look at the graphs Sir_bruce produces. There is a pretty standard rapid growth/slower growth/level/decline shape. Variations of course with expansions etc but a general shape. If 120 or 80 is the rapid growth - well.

If this is simply down to GoA not promoting or not having the money to promote it then it has nothing (directly) to do with other games. So question is how bad are GoA as a software publishing company.

The alternative scenario is that GoA do know what they are doing, they allocated a budget and envisaged a certain take-up.

I think this is more likely. I also cannot believe that they have met their targets. The implication is that WoW - in particular - but probably EQ2, CoH, etc have sapped the market of new players.

This is serious because Spain - fundamentally - is no different from UK/France/Germany even the US. Churn - old players leaving, new players coming in is usually very high. Requiel has hinted at such and the figures Soe produced for EQ last year (5th anniversary) were huge. 45% per year was about the figure they published. If there are no new players but folks keep leaving .....

So its perfectly reasonable to ponder the Spanish server numbers.

Your statement about people saying etc. I am not going to get into. SWG was never held up as a DAoC killer - although its doing very nicely these days. Ditto Rose/Matrix-On-Line/Toontown? I don't see huge posts about these games killing DAoC. WoW - Yes. Reason - it has had, and is still having a huge impact on DAoC numbers. And the first PvP instalment is now live. DAoC is suffering. should you worry - no. Anything you can do - probably not. Mythic afterall said they were surprised by the popularity. So if 100k+ posts didn't give them a clue go figure.

Enjoy DAoC whilst you can because empty servers are no fun at all and the Spanish server is very empty indeed. That peak population number - its only for a short period of time.

 

[Shanaia]

Disagree. Firstly asking whether GoA advertsied is a perfectly valid question. Second the numbers - and peak populations of 80 now - are pathetic. Look at the graphs Sir_bruce produces. There is a pretty standard rapid growth/slower growth/level/decline shape. Variations of course with expansions etc but a general shape. If 120 or 80 is the rapid growth - well.

Again .. drawing conclusions now on the spanish stats is completely laughable the server has been released 2 weeks ago ...

Look if they still have these numbers in 3/4 months I'll be the first to admit that the spanish servers weren't worth it.

All I'm saying is that drawing that conclusion now is ... to ... early and just proof that there are people 'waiting' to find things they can pin on GOA to proof how much they suck. Which tires me ... but who am I

 

[Wiazabi]

played wow from 1-60 was ok dpending on grp( bit easy without any xp penalty on death ), after 60 everything seemed like diablo, doing the same stuff xxxx times just to see items drop.
Another thing classes seems to simple for me no real way of reducing castspeed, no way of casting intants while casting spells, no spellqueue and all spell animations are the same, for example my ud priest did the cheer animation for each spell.

+ wayyy to many uke: rogue's

most fun i had after 60 was farming deviate fish in barrens ( deviate delight )

 

[Rookiescot]

played wow from 1-60 was ok dpending on grp( bit easy without any xp penalty on death ), after 60 everything seemed like diablo, doing the same stuff xxxx times just to see items drop.
Another thing classes seems to simple for me no real way of reducing castspeed, no way of casting intants while casting spells, no spellqueue and all spell animations are the same, for example my ud priest did the cheer animation for each spell.

+ wayyy to many uke: rogue's

most fun i had after 60 was farming deviate fish in barrens ( deviate delight )

or in other words .... "I want a wtf pwn button"

 

[Vesuvius]

i'd like to change my vote from DAoC to WoW.

to

bit of both

DAoC pvp is better

 

[Garnet]

In the words of a Greek who owns a hotel called Fantasy in Zante.

Shat the fack up. Go to sleep!

 

[Fester]

WOW tech support will swing it for me.....I've been trying to get GOA to resolve a problem for nearly 2 weeks now......they've made it blatantly obvious that they don't give a flying crap about us the people who pay their wages, whereas WOW resolved my problem within an hour!!!!!

 

[Vintersorg]

WOW tech support will swing it for me.....I've been trying to get GOA to resolve a problem for nearly 2 weeks now......they've made it blatantly obvious that they don't give a flying crap about us the people who pay their wages, whereas WOW resolved my problem within an hour!!!!!

You're lucky then. I reported a problem to Blizzard once in WoW. Never had so much as an answer

 

[Heta]

crazy lag for +1month in wow and server crashing several times a day, so fun when doing instances and they keep crashing over and over. lag is for everyone on the server so not isp based. Blizzard does jackshit about it=me no longer play wow

GOA>Blizzard by far, and I dont like GOA

 

[fionnel]

You're lucky then. I reported a problem to Blizzard once in WoW. Never had so much as an answer

I always got an answer all 3 times i reported something, but it was not within an hour, more within a day. But lots of people who complain about not getting an answer cancel their ticket and re-enable it when they next log in, you should not cancel it when you exit the game.

As for the lag, it's server specific issue, i have never had lag in my server, i suspect it's something that mostly affects high pop servers. The instance problem is gone too, but i must admit being halfway through the instance and seeing it crashing was more than annoying.

 

[Flimgoblin]

WOW tech support will swing it for me.....I've been trying to get GOA to resolve a problem for nearly 2 weeks now......they've made it blatantly obvious that they don't give a flying crap about us the people who pay their wages, whereas WOW resolved my problem within an hour!!!!!

You sure you're actually using RightNow or did you confuse the FH forum with tech support?

(note: if you sent it under the wrong heading e.g. a quest thing under "technical->graphics card problems" you will get a delay in your response)

RightNow is really quite zippy these days (it still goes home for the weekend though)

 

[Sandariel]

I always got an answer all 3 times i reported something, but it was not within an hour, more within a day. But lots of people who complain about not getting an answer cancel their ticket and re-enable it when they next log in, you should not cancel it when you exit the game

All 3 times I reported something in WoW I had the ticket open for 4+ days and finally cancelled it...
The last question I asked on right now (I asked on a sunday) was answered on monday at roughly 9:30 am. Very nice response time.

Anyway, about the WoW vs. DAoC debate:
It's not the support that made me cancel my WoW account after a bit more than a month. I was just terribly bored ingame; this game has nothing to offer that would keep me playing a lvl 60 char for longer than a week. (at the moment, who knows what they'll add in the future).
But I honestly don't care if they'll add more zones and more things to do in the future, I want an enjoyable game now... and at the moment it's far from enjoyable to me. Camelot has a lot more to offer.

WoW _does_ have some very nice stuff in it, but it's not enough to keep me playing (and paying). It's very well polished and got loads of "fluff", but under the polished surface it's just yet-another-mmorpg-with-just-more-of-the-old-yawn-stuff.

So I'll stick to daoc, loads of stuff to do, always something to improve about your char and the, so far, uncontested RvR system.

WoW is great anyway, though, since it introduced a lot of players to the world of mmorpgs... I bet some will get hooked up on daoc after they got bored of WoW

Well, just a few thoughts. Remember this is just my opinion and how I feel about the game, if you like WoW... I don't mind, keep playing it.

I won't

 

[SiddlesVonHell]

Been playing WoW for a while now. Cannot bring myself to log in to such a game and even when I do it's only for about 20 mins before I puke.

 

[nikolas]

Having spent countless hours levelling, crafting, fishing, cooking and exploring I have to say WoW beats Daoc hands down in terms of content. The end game isn't dull by any means, and the raids to complete armour sets are great fun. 10-15 people can complete an instance in about 2-4 hours depending on it's difficulty and more often than not you will walk away with either a very nice item your going to use, or find something to trade/sell to guild members.

Crafting in WoW is superb and a lot better than daoc. Daoc's over complicated system is to reliant on grinding cash and over time becomes very monitenous and dull. Wow crafters spend time looking on the auction houses for bargains before making items to sell for a nice profit or by skilling and then selling their items back on the AH. Gathering resources is also great and something daoc could do with copying tbh. The AH and ingame mail system are 2 very nice aspects of WoW that make it far easier helping your friends and guild members.

The racial capitials are actually used by the player masses and not simply run past and a joy to explore and quest in. The zones are well themed and varied and the quests work well by introducing the players to different zones as they progress through the 2 continents.

One thing that needs work though is their endgame. WoW pisses all over Daoc with anything other than PvP. Although the PvP system will work for most, for powergamers like myself, its frustrating not seeing points for kills and not having dedicated pvp areas... Yet. One of Blizzards biggest mistakes was not designing a system like daoc. Don’t PvP for 2 weeks and you start to lose your rank and abilities gained through PvP. Imagine spending 2 years getting to rr7.8, popping off to try another game and then returning to find yourself rr1 lol

Mythic have a very nice PvP system and one that Blizzard could learn from. Although I'm not intending to return yet, I do forsee many growing frustrated with their system and either trying new things or returning to play daoc... Ofc Blizzard's system doesn't offer any insentive to those who may want to return to WoW ;o

A lot of people are looking forward to a fully tweaked, tested and tried PvP system in WoW.

 

[Fana]

One thing that needs work though is their endgame. WoW pisses all over Daoc with anything other than PvP. Although the PvP system will work for most, for powergamers like myself, its frustrating not seeing points for kills and not having dedicated pvp areas... Yet. One of Blizzards biggest mistakes was not designing a system like daoc. Don’t PvP for 2 weeks and you start to lose your rank and abilities gained through PvP. Imagine spending 2 years getting to rr7.8, popping off to try another game and then returning to find yourself rr1 lol

On the other hand it means people can always catch up to those that have played a long time, and falling in ranks will have no catastrophic effect anyway since all it measn is you will have to wear gear you got through pve instead of pvp (and you can likely get a stronger set if you commit to pve anway) - all you really lose is bragging rights

It also has one distinct advantage over daocs system:
If people ebay a high rr character in daoc to some player with no pvp skills at all he still gets a powerfull instrument that will help him "pwn" stuff in rvr
If people ebay a high ranked character in WoW to some player with no pvp skills he will start falling rapidly in ranks since he cant keep up with those that can actually hold their own in pvp I love this

 

[Morchaoron]

One thing that needs work though is their endgame. WoW pisses all over Daoc with anything other than PvP. Although the PvP system will work for most, for powergamers like myself, its frustrating not seeing points for kills and not having dedicated pvp areas... Yet. One of Blizzards biggest mistakes was not designing a system like daoc. Don’t PvP for 2 weeks and you start to lose your rank and abilities gained through PvP. Imagine spending 2 years getting to rr7.8, popping off to try another game and then returning to find yourself rr1 lol

it doesnt work like that, it doesnt take you 'years' to get the best rank, it actually takes just a week (and cannot take more)
'contribution point' counter starts at 0 each week, if you want to be a certain rank you will need to be high in the list of players with 'last week contribution points', that gives you your rank for that week, and if you dont do jackshit that week then you lose it again, since you wont be very high in that weeks ranking...

char with most CP's last week is rank 14 (highest) that week, 2nd and 3d are rank 13 etc etc, it works like this to rank 5, which can be achieved by having a certain amount of CPs that week which you keep PERMANENTLY (regardless of what position you hold in the 'ladder')

so basically in this game, it takes less time to get a very high rr, but you will only keep it for a week (tho having a high rank will make it easier keeping that rank since you will have access to ubergear), not a very bad system if you ask me...
daoc is not better or worse in my eyes, just different, he it takes ages to achieve rr11 but it gives you a permanent advantage, in wow you have to regain it every week...

 

[GReaper]

so basically in this game, it takes less time to get a very high rr, but you will only keep it for a week (tho having a high rank will make it easier keeping that rank since you will have access to ubergear), not a very bad system if you ask me...

I'd say this is one of the reasons why WoW lacks long term appeal, there are no long term aims.

For example, I'm aiming to get my Sorceress to RR8 which may take a week or two. This long term goal gives me a reason to play. However take WoW where only the previous weeks ratings are taken into account, why bother putting in effort for a week when your ranking has gone a week later?

At least in DAoC a noob has a decent chance of getting an RR5-6+ char over time, if they put in some effort into that one char over all the time they play.