DAoC vs WoW

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Sticking to DAOC, WoW has nothing else to offer for me than DAOC already does.

 

[Svartmetall]

Interesting...when this poll started, the "move to WoW" vote was way bigger than the "stick with DAOC" and the "give WoW a try but may come back to DAOC" votes combined. Now it's way smaller than those two combined, and is in fact only slightly bigger than the "stick with DAOC" vote itself.

Perhaps more people are realising that World Of Cartooncraft isn't the absolute last word in shining unblemished gaming perfection, like so many were trying to have us believe not so long ago?

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[gervaise]

Interesting...when this poll started, the "move to WoW" vote was way bigger than the "stick with DAOC" and the "give WoW a try but may come back to DAOC" votes combined. Now it's way smaller than those two combined, and is in fact only slightly bigger than the "stick with DAOC" vote itself.

Perhaps more people are realising that World Of Cartooncraft isn't the absolute last word in shining unblemished gaming perfection, like so many were trying to have us believe not so long ago?

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I do not believe the poll suports your closing paragraph Svart. I see it as fairly closely reflecting what has actually happened when you look at the player numbers on daoc.darkzone.net.

For Europe as a whole: 26k in Nov, 22k in Jan, and c.14k now. From 22k to just over 14.3k is a 35% drop so the numbers and survey are in the right ballpark and there are probably - scratch that - maybe new players coming in that the survey doesn't catch.

There is no good gloss you can put on what has happened. 26k to 14k is a serious fall off. Last January it was around 32k. And in the US the numbers - having originally stabilised at 20k are now falling again (disillusionment? GuildWars? WoW still?)

Blizzard's press release of 17th March probably explains why. The numbers are HUGE. So lots of money going into new content development etc.

 

[Danya]

Well I voted "Give WoW a try but I may well come back to DAoC" but I'm now in the "Stick with WoW" camp - it would take a complete miracle to get me back into DAoC. Even if WoW turns out crap (and so far it's not), I'd not go back to DAoC.

 

[Abel]

WoW is so big DAoC is not on the charts anymore. It's peak concurrent user number in Europe is like 230,000 players. Compare that to 14,000 for DAoC.
And from own experience I can tell you that the numbers are still rising pretty fast.

DAoC will survive for now and many of the old players will stick with it, but they'll be a relatively small group. This poll is indicative for long-time DAoC players who have a tight connection with the DAoC community, but sadly for Mythic that's only a relatively small portion of their customers.
And still over a third of those people have gone, which is still a huge drain.

 

[Morchaoron]

Perhaps more people are realising that World Of Cartooncraft isn't the absolute last word in shining unblemished gaming perfection

but a daoc coop server is?

 

[Evergrey]

WoW is getting booring i dinged 60 with my warrior and there is absolutely no endgame at all, PvP is shit no reward no nada...got boored of killing others :s

im considering comming back when catas arrive, eventhough its only a pve expansion i do miss the RvR system daoc offers

 

[Draylor]

Interesting...when this poll started, the "move to WoW" vote was way bigger than the "stick with DAOC" and the "give WoW a try but may come back to DAOC" votes combined. Now it's way smaller than those two combined, and is in fact

Exactly what you would expect: How many ex-daoc players with no interest in returning still track this thread? Its far more likely to be looked at by those currently playing DAoC or those thinking about returning.

If you put the same options on a WoW related forum youd almost certainly get the opposite result: which wouldnt prove a thing either

Itll be interesting to see what, if anything, changes after Catacombs release. It might bring some folks back from WoW, but given the PvE focus of Catacombs Im not convinced it'll be too significant a number.

 

[Ning]

I'm considering coming back to DAOC with Catacomb (when my WoW second month is over). I'm currently lvl40 on WoW and the quests aren't as interesting as I thought before buying the game. It's grinding through quest (kill x mob, kill y mobs). Interesting quests exist but are very rare. I hope Catacomb is fun. I think I will switch 1 month WoW, 1 month DAOC, 1 month WoW, etc till a 3th generation MMORPG come.

 

[Zede]

The one thing - that will get people back to Daoc is if the forthcoming "Battlegrounds" expansion for WoW is any good or not.

If it is not up to scratch, I for one will come back to DaoC - that is if they merge with Excal, failing that if 1000 extra people, old or new start playing on pryd.

 

[UndyingAngel]

that if 1000 extra people, old or new start playing on pryd.

This all depends on GoA's Release on the 15. april for the main game .. I wihs they would take a leaf out of Blizzards good

 

[Tasslehoff]

Interesting...when this poll started, the "move to WoW" vote was way bigger than the "stick with DAOC" and the "give WoW a try but may come back to DAOC" votes combined. Now it's way smaller than those two combined, and is in fact only slightly bigger than the "stick with DAOC" vote itself.

Perhaps more people are realising that World Of Cartooncraft isn't the absolute last word in shining unblemished gaming perfection, like so many were trying to have us believe not so long ago?

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Maybe the WoW players left the daoc boards, and it's only daoc players voting now?

 

[gervaise]

WoW is getting booring i dinged 60 with my warrior and there is absolutely no endgame at all, PvP is shit no reward no nada...got boored of killing others :s

im considering comming back when catas arrive, eventhough its only a pve expansion i do miss the RvR system daoc offers

I can't see Catacombs satisfying your desire for PvP. You need to organise some RvR. Alternatively organise some raids on the high level instances - better gear so better RvR potential

 

[gervaise]

that is if they merge with Excal, failing that if 1000 extra people, old or new start playing on pryd.

I made a post Thursday pointing out that the peak number on Pryd had not fallen below 600 (someone had said it had been in the 500-550). A day later and MY post would have been in error as peak numbers Friday & Saturday have fallen below 600. It isn't due to people moving to other servers either - Excal is now around 1100, Avalon is down etc. So the only hope of getting an extra 1000 people is to cluster with Excal imo

 

[LawBringer]

Well after reading all your comments I will be playing Internet Hearts Great RvR - no PvE and no BB required.

On a more serious note, get rid of ToA, put OF back, and Balance the chars a bit. I just started wandering around OF and some git replaced the roads with a river, got wet and sea sick.

 

[tauser]

Most of my old eq1 friends have quit WoW because of a lack of PvE content, (end game), and gone back to eq1 or started eq2.
And some of my RL friends have gone back to SWG because they didnt like the PvP system and found the comunity of WoW very lacking.

But what if any is anecdotal evidence worth anyway

Myself, having played eq1, SWG, WoW and DAoC, like DAoC just fine. If i had to choose any of the other 3, i'd pick WoW last, and Eq1 first

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My old EQ1 guild is still higly active and doing 70 people raids. Seems like the majority of wow players are new to mmorpg's, comming from wc3, diablo etc. Atleast that would explain the numbers, since there are still relativly many people playing, eq1, daoc and swg. WoW and EQ2 seem to have intreduced mmorpgs to many a new people.

 

[Haggus]

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Well after reading all your comments I will be playing Internet Hearts Great RvR - no PvE and no BB required.

On a more serious note, get rid of ToA, put OF back, and Balance the chars a bit. I just started wandering around OF and some git replaced the roads with a river, got wet and sea sick.

Yus, make a server complete with OF and SI ONLY!! Then we will see some population increases me thinks! Though ToA is fun, I think they should ban NF from all servers !!1 lol :touch:

 

[RS|Phil]

WoW and EQ2 seem to have intreduced mmorpgs to many a new people.

Yep, advertising does that Hello GOA?

 

[nick]

US players stating there's not much endgame I can imagine but the EU players have got more than enough to do when it comes to PVE, especially now with the content patch coming this friday (5 days after the US patch this evening. Count em goa 1,2,3,4,5 days instead of months). Obviously PVP has taken a bit of a backseat lately due to the lack of battlegrounds but I myself (as an avid PVPer) actually enjoy the endgame 40 man raiding PVE content moreso than I ever did with TOA.

Just finished our first raid in MC managed to get the first boss down and even though we wiped plenty of times it was a LOT of fun and the mobs actually presented some quite interesting challenges, yes even the trash mobs.

 

[Culanan]

Most of my old eq1 friends have quit WoW because of a lack of PvE content, (end game), and gone back to eq1 or started eq2.
And some of my RL friends have gone back to SWG because they didnt like the PvP system and found the comunity of WoW very lacking.

But what if any is anecdotal evidence worth anyway

Myself, having played eq1, SWG, WoW and DAoC, like DAoC just fine. If i had to choose any of the other 3, i'd pick WoW last, and Eq1 first

+edit+
My old EQ1 guild is still higly active and doing 70 people raids. Seems like the majority of wow players are new to mmorpg's, comming from wc3, diablo etc. Atleast that would explain the numbers, since there are still relativly many people playing, eq1, daoc and swg. WoW and EQ2 seem to have intreduced mmorpgs to many a new people.

The fact so many WoW players are new to mmorpgs is one of the reasons the community in WoW sucks.

That doesn't mean there isn't one or that it can't evolve into a better one, getting into a good guild as an experienced player is a bonus, I myself moved around a little bit in DAOC before settling down and feel the experience was beneficial.

The PvE in WoW I've found very enjoyable, it's new (big bonus after 3 years of DAOC!) the mobs are quite fun and do things just differently enough to add some flavour.
I'd like to see more solo quests in WoW personally, at lvl 43 the majority of my quests are epic ones and I hate those but that's only because I'm a miserable, lonely, old bastard

Also the lack of experience of many players is the major source of wajn about WoW, they don't understand the logistics or the concept of an mmorpg compared to free services and single player games. Blizzard isn't perfect, the game isn't perfect but what game is at release...

 

[collegien]

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[svartalf]

Yep, advertising does that Hello GOA?

I agree with you SO much. GOA didn't seem to advertise DAoC at all in the UK. No wonder the numbers are down as far as they are. Word of mouth can only do so much. Pity.

 

[Gamah]

I agree with you SO much. GOA didn't seem to advertise DAoC at all in the UK. No wonder the numbers are down as far as they are. Word of mouth can only do so much. Pity.

Its all your fault for not trying hard enough...get out there with the megaphone...!!

 

[Dorimor1]

that is if they merge with Excal, failing that if 1000 extra people, old or new start playing on pryd.

If numbers don't increase by a large margain when Catacombs comes out clustering the two servers may be the one thing that saves us

 

[Job]

Sticking with DAOC cos Iknow myself too well.

I'll run round WOW going 'wow', then get bored, it's just the same, has to be always will.

All this silly TOA stuff totally fukd up RVR for me.

No worries with loads of people moving off I'll just buy a shit hot char off e-bay for buttons.

 

[Daedalus]

I hit level 40 and PvE/Instancing is getting pretty boring now. I hope I can soon play my Warlock (waiting for a m8) and have some fun again. (Duoing is a lot more fun that grouping with random idiots).

I'm not sure if Battlegrounds will be a success... DAoC seems perfectly balanced compared to WoW, it's scary. Been in a couple of raids against towns of the opposite faction.. yesterday (or was it the day before yesterday?) we raided the Crossroads in The Barrens with about 15 people, of which 5 were 40+. 10 minute later, we were outnumbered (and the Horde is underpopulated on our server seemingly by 2 alliance to 1 horde, if you look at the 'crowdedness' of the cities, so it's kind of ironic).. In WoW, it seems (more so than with DAoC) that whoever has the most players wins. (as in, there's little skill-vs-number). I know that it sounds odd, it probably doesn't even sound liable.. but if you've ever seen a single FG take out 2 FGs, you know what I mean.

It was fun.. but.. I dunno, not as adrenaline-pumping-fun as DAoC's RvR. Not even close.

 

[Danya]

Probably a bit early to say what's going to happen with large scale PvP in WoW - DAoC was pretty disorganised and crazy to start with, till people started really playing to win and forming gank groups.

 

[Borand]

Getting kinda bored of WoW, level 46 now. PvE is boring, probably a bit better than DAoC's PvE, but boring nonetheless. The main source of exp, the quests, are very repetitive and usually not very fun or interesting. Doesn't seem to be the magic there as there was when I went through 1-50 in DAoC for the first time, but having said all that I will probably stick with the game until I have tried the planned Battlegrounds that Blizzard will (hopefully) implement soon and then decide whether I can be bothered to keep paying the subscription or not. Wouldn't go back to DAoC though even when Catacombs is released, will still be the same old crap that I got tired of a while ago.

 

[Bloodhunter]

soooooo.... how many have come back to daoc from wow? give it time xD i know you all want it back...remember good old days...albs zerging hibs wiping them with 1fg, mids...errr...doing there stuff...

 

[Fana]

I play both atm - as Borand says, what will decide my continoued playing of WoW will be the battlegrounds and PvP rewards system. If it isnt good ill likely go back to daoc as my only mmorpg. If its good ill likely drop daoc again until daoc does something new.
For the moment i kinda like both - cata for new content/classes, daoc battlegrounds for easygoing pvp, and proper pvp when i can (daoc pvp is really good when its good). WoW for... well in preparation of WoW pvp Need my 60 etc.