Balancing Insta CC

[Remem]

what soruzi said, any decent alb group spreads on sight and aoe stun is going to do nothing....

I don't understand how MM did so well w/it but I think it says something :x

Not the regular BF grp then who got owned by 4 brehons or SoS when mezzed vs bard + chanter duoin ?

 

[Garbannoch]

saying aoe stun is crap is bullshit
it is very useful in the middle of fights to buy some time when enemy is already mez and root immune especially against mage groups - the 2-3 secs the aoe stun sticks gives enough time to kill a mage or two (same with zephyr btw) and if not at least you got time to heal your own group or do some other stuff (clear disease, etc etc); not giving aoe stun to alb and hib is a big disadvantage for these realms - especially if you consider that mid has a castable AND insta version on a class and specline they will have in group 100% of the cases. I agree that no good group will blow aoe stun to open a fight but it's very useful in mid-fight.

Back to the original topic: i don't see why sorcs/albs whine (and in fact good ones don't). A good sorc will get in first mez more often than not - and yes there are a couple of good ones who can pull that off. The reason why bards/healers got instas (although i agree that healer has too many forms of insta CCs) is the lack of QC - cause once a bard got a pet/enemy on him he has no chance to mez except using an insta.

 

[swords]

I agree, perhaps if they added an instant aoe stun in the smite specline it would give people at least some reason to spec higher smite.

 

[Killerbee]

I agree, perhaps if they added an instant aoe stun in the smite specline it would give people at least some reason to spec higher smite.

Well, we have uber dmg, long insta mezz with high smite

 

[Skilgannon]

alb has a bit less option, however they do have sos

I think one of the big concerns is how is the loss/equalisation of RA's such as SoS, BoF and GP is going to influence Realm performance in New Frontiers.

There has been a pretty big hint that 1.70 is going to contain some balancing in preparation for the expansion. I just hope that they have done their homework properly and come up with a workable solution both with the new RAs and answers to instas.

If they don't then the first few months of Frontiers in the US could be a trying time for Albs and, to a lesser extent, Hibs. Hopefully, if that transpires, GOA will hold off releasing Frontiers until the realm balancing patch.

 

[Asha]

Not the regular BF grp then who got owned by 4 brehons or SoS when mezzed vs bard + chanter duoin ?

that wasn't the regular bf group moron - don't even know what you mean by the second part. If it was last at night then who gives a ....

There is alot bigger problems inc to the game than AOE stun or insta CC. Healur needs other nerfs. 3x BoF, 3x spreal heal, 3X free self rez, sounds fun.

 

[rvn]

id advice you clipse to do some more rvring and less whineing

oh and nongimped pac healers do not specc for insta aoe stun

 

[Clipse]

ok, but stop trying to sell us BS.

Oh and come back and play your Uber Sorc. Saracen.

 

[rvn]

all im saying is that aoe stun isnt overpowred, its like a druid pet, its not overpowred however nice to have (to pwn randoms, or interrupt with etc), allmost any realm have these numerious special abilitys cba to list all of them now, but main reason why albs would lose alot is because they dont use their whole utility (ie 95% of all sorcs forget to debuff propperly in mid fight etc, thats like a healer would ignore ccing pets or something)

 

[rvn]

i would love to play sorc in decent np grp

 

[Clipse]

Fights R about timing.

Timing is about CC.

CC is more accessible to Midds and Hibbs then Albs.

If you are Dead within 10 seconds, whats teh use of any other utility?

Im not whining, coz i love the challenge, but Savages, Insta CC, Aoe Stun And now buff shearing, oh and incidently the highest Delve PBAOE.

Dont Tell me, Mincers n infils r uber right ?

 

[rvn]

minstrels are uber in 1on1, if they have ip,ap3,purge,sos, and play it out propperly (alltho they are sooo hard with som now in toa - even if they only F8, stick melee, cause high af + that procc is insane :>).

infils are better than their counter parts at low rr, however id say ns is more overpowred with high rr

anyway, i dont agree that alb got least cc

 

[nol]

OK ok...lets give it a break and start a new CC complaint thread again in a weak or two...now I think the savage cycle has come up, after we finished with savages lets bitch about enchanters, minstrels, GP oh, and lets not forget the bards wearing chain one, that's still my best one

 

[Vasconcelos]

i would love to play sorc in decent np grp

And i would love to see wot group setup as an alb you would use to counter mid/excal NP with:

3 Healers with 3 ForcefullZephirs (lol at this: hi! your group is now of 5 players coz 3 of em are being dragged to gtaoe), 3 spreadheals, bunch of instaheals/instaress n 3 BoFs (with Frontiers and if there is anymore tank groups playing).
2 Shammys Perfector with their baseline aoe interrupt tools and now buff shearing/focus shield
and wotever 3 classes you want to insert here to deal damage (Sms, sm+rm, battlemaster.....)

 

[Tusk]

It saddens me to see how ignorant you are soruzi. You really think skill means that much in this game? Alb isnt even close to make the grps that mid can get togheter, how you cant see this is beyond me.

Only ignorance made the sorc theurg 2cleric mincer 2merc pally good vs mids.
You mids played with extremely overpowered dmg output for so long(and still is) , why get utility if you can win easily with raw dmg right?
Albs eventually found mids only weakness and albs only strenght, the theurg pets... Togheter with their RAs and these pets, alb should win most if not all fg vs fg fights vs pure melee mid grps. But as always mid got the solution to this like every other problem, get a sm instead of a skald and you practically remove the advantage albs had + a very nice str con debuff...

That mids didnt think about this before the introduction of grapple and bodyguard really shows how spoiled the mids have been so far.

oh and btw soruzi, alb isnt even close to hib either. Plz roll alb so we can show you the difference. In ToA the win ratio to hibs should be 8-90% with equally skilled ppl and rr.

 

[Fedaykin]

It saddens me to see how ignorant you are soruzi. You really think skill means that much in this game? Alb isnt even close to make the grps that mid can get togheter, how you cant see this is beyond me.

Only ignorance made the sorc theurg 2cleric mincer 2merc pally good vs mids.
You mids played with extremely overpowered dmg output for so long(and still is) , why get utility if you can win easily with raw dmg right?
Albs eventually found mids only weakness and albs only strenght, the theurg pets... Togheter with their RAs and these pets, alb should win most if not all fg vs fg fights vs pure melee mid grps. But as always mid got the solution to this like every other problem, get a sm instead of a skald and you practically remove the advantage albs had + a very nice str con debuff...

That mids didnt think about this before the introduction of grapple and bodyguard really shows how spoiled the mids have been so far.

oh and btw soruzi, alb isnt even close to hib either. Plz roll alb so we can show you the difference. In ToA the win ratio to hibs should be 8-90% with equally skilled ppl and rr.

 

[rvn]

It saddens me to see how ignorant you are soruzi. You really think skill means that much in this game? Alb isnt even close to make the grps that mid can get togheter, how you cant see this is beyond me.

Only ignorance made the sorc theurg 2cleric mincer 2merc pally good vs mids.
You mids played with extremely overpowered dmg output for so long(and still is) , why get utility if you can win easily with raw dmg right?
Albs eventually found mids only weakness and albs only strenght, the theurg pets... Togheter with their RAs and these pets, alb should win most if not all fg vs fg fights vs pure melee mid grps. But as always mid got the solution to this like every other problem, get a sm instead of a skald and you practically remove the advantage albs had + a very nice str con debuff...

That mids didnt think about this before the introduction of grapple and bodyguard really shows how spoiled the mids have been so far.

oh and btw soruzi, alb isnt even close to hib either. Plz roll alb so we can show you the difference. In ToA the win ratio to hibs should be 8-90% with equally skilled ppl and rr.

well when we played with ad, we basicly won over most midd grps, only problem was the caster related groups, most of my posts here has been based on pre toa rvr, since the toa rvr now havnt even started for serious

 

[Tusk]

well when we played with ad, we basicly won over most midd grps, only problem was the caster related groups, most of my posts here has been based on pre toa rvr, since the toa rvr now havnt even started for serious

So you agree that albs are underpowered then?

 

[rvn]

i agree that pre toa they could be just as powerfull as midd in fg vs fg, and yet they whined like bitches, i havnt bothered to look into it now with toa, since i havnt seen midd grps capabilitys yet, still testing things out etc. but i know most ppl on excal solve all their ingame losses with whine

 

[Tusk]

i agree that pre toa they could be just as powerfull as midd in fg vs fg, and yet they whined like bitches, i havnt bothered to look into it now with toa, since i havnt seen midd grps capabilitys yet, still testing things out etc. but i know most ppl on excal solve all their ingame losses with whine

I dont care if ppl whine or not , I see facts from game mechanics.
So if all mid grps ran a sm instead of a skald would an alb grp win if both grps where equally skilled and same rr?

 

[Novamir]

remem, you don't have rvr experience, so we'll stop the pointless argument.

sorusi:
"and for these reasons i dont see aoe stun as a threat, have faced it with hibb grp (best midd grp on prydwen Midget Maffia used aoe stun very well, but it wasnt very hard to counter when you got gp and used it correctly or used baod )"

ah, that explains why NP mostly lost to MM then.

 

[Clipse]

well when we played with ad, we basicly won over most midd grps, only problem was the caster related groups, most of my posts here has been based on pre toa rvr, since the toa rvr now havnt even started for serious

you really think with that AD thing, that you have proved anything ?

IF the high RR Det Tank set up, with good players disnt do well, then we woulda really seen how skilless you are.

We don't run a high Det Tank group, we just dont, but don't thinks its coz we cba to make Balanced Set-ups.

Infact your arrogance unbeleivable, trying to tell us your insta CC And AOE stun isnt overpowered..... tell me where were u at 5 am on a cold January morning when we lost our relics ?

 

[Medde]

ah, that explains why NP mostly lost to MM then.

we lost cos they played better and were r7+ and we were vaktens most of us, they didnt even bother to ae stun since its useless vs baod + gp, not to mention 5 asd spammers xD. They were good no doubt, but it sure as hell wasnt because of ae stun. and just fyi, when i got moc on chanter we won just as much as we lost vs MM, it all depended on who got the most ra's up sort of. was a shame they quit, always had fun fights vs them, never whined even tho they lost sometimes and thats rare

 

[Sycho]

what soruzi said, any decent alb group spreads on sight and aoe stun is going to do nothing....

I don't understand how MM did so well w/it but I think it says something :x

MM would beat many alb excal groups fyi, they certainly aren't bad players.Afterall some of them are former hib excal players who did very well on excal, anyway soruzi does make some interesting points aswell as tusk, generally alb is good if the sorc can play good, if you can get a good theurg to play too then you basically can beat mid melee groups IF you do not get mezzed first if you do, then it's dead in a matter of time like zoyster said(clipse?) .With no ra's and losing cc battle vs mids, a good melee group will kill you very fast.

With mids sprinting+cc it can be awkward sometimes to land mezz, aoe stun is good vs caster groups in alb but not so good vs melee.I think the buff shearing stuff is a load of bullshit, lets hope they rethink it and adjust it completely.

 

[vintervargen]

im a bit surprised noone have mentioned the uberlameoverpoweredasswipe

insta pb disease on 8 sec timer

mids would be ½ as good without it.

 

[Freppe]

Such whine from albs that aint even tries going in a fg *sad*

All i can say is EASYMODE ALB EASYMODE EASYMODE!!! Fckin easymode, patethic.

 

[Asha]

i agree that pre toa they could be just as powerfull as midd in fg vs fg, and yet they whined like bitches, i havnt bothered to look into it now with toa, since i havnt seen midd grps capabilitys yet, still testing things out etc. but i know most ppl on excal solve all their ingame losses with whine

???
between savage tweak and toa plz show me the decent alb group that were whining like bitches ? Every alb rvr player I know was happy with that patch. We weren't over powered, but we had a decent chance. There is ALOT of randoms on Alb/Exc but the 3-4 groups of rvr'ers weren't whining at all. Herbal and Krane don't count :x

 

[Clipse]

^^ the regular FH Half-wit type response ^^ woops, Freppe, not Asha =D

 

[[NO]Magmatic]

AoE stun is devistating if used at the right time... Its so funny that so many healers use it when the SM's are still charging the group... If you time it right, and it falls just AFTER the first pbaoe, then even with det.5 tanks, it'll still last 2-3 pbaoes (3 if your lucky, 2 for sure, heck if your v.lucky you might even get 4 off)... And then a last QC+pbaoe...

Only group purge will save you, and even if the tanks survive this, I'm pretty sure the clerics wont survive... For alb groups a well timed AoE stun means purge or sos... Or its a dead alb-group...

The fact that mid doesnt run with 2-3 SM's a lot means they havent found out how to play those groups well... And probably that their spoiled with their savages (and pre-nerf zerkers)...

So yes a sorc mez is better if the sorc is awake and gets the jump on the group, but in a head-to-head, the sorc will lose from insta-cc... Running + cc'ing >> standing still + cc'ing...

 

[Clipse]

Infact lets just cut all the bullshit. From Day 1, Euro-Beta days, I read :

Due to the Albion population imbalances on most Servers, Midgegard and Hibbernian characters have been boosted, to deal with the often superior numbers.

Now that you are a proud NP Soruzi u seem to forget, how gimped your Sorc was.....

Plz dont try counter argue facts with accusations of whine.