About War Euro servers

[Himse]

Requiel is an asshat.

Im hoping he just gets fucking fired for WAR.

Let someone with a clue run the game please.

Pissed with all his bullshit about English Cluster.

 

[Vulcan]

I dont play anymore but do keep up with reading the forums & I must admit if a small part of whats been wrote about Requiel is true, then the chap doesn't deserve any placing in WAR

If all this about Requiel is half the truth then posting & bitching on a forum doesnt really help players see how bad the customer service is with GOA, it only helps the few that are left veiwing & almost all those know about the shitty service anyway.

Get a games magazine interested in this & other stories, or a games reporter and blow the thing wide open for everyone to see. Im sure the threat of taking these stories national would be enough for Mythic to sit up take notice, and GOA to actually get of there arses and do something as they wont want the negative publicity on a game thats upcoming for release in five to six months.

If whats been posted is true then Requiel as a Comunity Manager for WAR should never be in that position of power and should be fired or at least reprimanded in the worst way.

 

[Cadelin]

I dont play anymore but do keep up with reading the forums & I must admit if a small part of whats been wrote about Requiel is true, then the chap doesn't deserve any placing in WAR

If all this about Requiel is half the truth then posting & bitching on a forum doesnt really help players see how bad the customer service is with GOA, it only helps the few that are left veiwing & almost all those know about the shitty service anyway.

Get a games magazine interested in this & other stories, or a games reporter and blow the thing wide open for everyone to see. Im sure the threat of taking these stories national would be enough for Mythic to sit up take notice, and GOA to actually get of there arses and do something as they wont want the negative publicity on a game thats upcoming for release in five to six months.

If whats been posted is true then Requiel as a Comunity Manager for WAR should never be in that position of power and should be fired or at least reprimanded in the worst way.

There are like 10-20 people who post on these forums about how bad Requiel was. You can find that number of people who will bitch about anything.

 

[Downanael]

There are like 10-20 people who post on these forums about how bad Requiel was. You can find that number of people who will bitch about anything.

Sex totally sucks! it's just motoristics and hormons!

 

[Conway]

Wow, you lot are reduced to rehashing a thread from last May.

I quote Jupitus as he locked that thread:-

There are ALOT of people very close to getting slapped by mods here for their behaviour in this thread.

Req and his team made a decision on an ingame situation... they have logs and could have monitored the situation far longer than any of you know. They are not 'required' to divulge more information and Requiel has already explained the situation, so shut up about it and move on...
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Actually, I thought it was a much older thread, since I remember the same problem was around at least a year earlier. Heaven knows why they had to do the duelling ring thing right outside DC, heaven knows why they had to be rude to noobs who fell over them and didn't know what was going on, but they were. I know, I saw it. It been ages and ages and ages ago, back in the dawn of time, but I remember.

No idea whether Awarkle was being totally detached or out for revenge when he reported them, maybe he was no saint and thought oh goody, but if the noobs messaged an E&E about being flamed then it was an E&Es job to report it. Once an E&E reported it and a GM investigated and saw it was true, he would have to do something.

 

[Conway]

There are like 10-20 people who post on these forums about how bad Requiel was. You can find that number of people who will bitch about anything.

So true. Its the same few people banging on about age old stuff. They don't play Dyvet any longer, they just haunt the forums taking the chip on their shoulder for a walk. I call by every now and then to read it for a laugh and to prove to myself people really were nuts on this forum.

Anyway, Vulcan take it all with a pinch of salt. People without obsessive grievances don't keep posting here, so you've not got a balanced picture. It all grows more exaggerated with time too. Past stories gets rehashed and embroidered on, people's exaggerated comments get quoted as facts. The people they are shredding are no longer using this forum so can't give their side on what happened.

 

[Conway]

Requiel said he has shut down RP farming which is frankly bullshit too, most of the players there would have been better off joining a group or a zerg for RPs, how much good RPs do you get when you look for good fights and die 10 times in a row against better opponents?

I'd think about what you are saying here. If you die 10 times in a row against better opponents in a duelling circle, then you may not get good RPs but the guys chain killing you are doing very nicely thank you. If someone dies, then logically someone else gets rps. And if someone has taken along a buffbot to rezz, then they get rps for the buffbot even if they die 10 times in a row themselves.

50% of dyvet's failure is with him and 50% with the players, he should have been talked to by his superiors, it went to far.

Possibly Requiel was doing his job in the way that his superiors wanted it done, since he got promoted afterwards. Probably he made the odd mistake like most human beings, but I had to admire the way he coped with the incredible personal abuse hurled at him. Other GMs folded under the first barrage and left the forums. I seem to remember laughing at a thread a while ago where people were whining that Requiel's replacement was even worse. Sorry I can't be bothered to track the thread down.

In retrospect I feel that a lot of the damage to Dyvet was actually done by certain players winding everyone up on holy anti GOA campaigns. These got people into a highly emotional state over something minor so that instead of getting over it and getting back to having fun with the game people spent all their time hysterically discussing 'points of principle' on a forum to the point where they couldn't back down and left. All these campaigns to go on strike, go US, go to the press, go german server ever achieved was to reduce the player base. Every time some people would be wound up by the hysteria to move, not like it, and not return.

The move to the german server always struck me as the ultimate in illogic, since that is run by the same people. But hey, for all I know the point was not really to campaign against GOA but just to get attention.

 

[Conway]

By the way, sorry for all the posts but I got a cold and I'm bored.

:eek2:

Ye gods, I can only include 4 images in my message. What happened to free speech?!!!! Must be Requiel to blame.

 

[Downanael]

The move to the german server always struck me as the ultimate in illogic, since that is run by the same people. But hey, for all I know the point was not really to campaign against GOA but just to get attention.

I agree with that,it's really stupid and most pointless thing ever to say "I hate GOA but i still pay 'em. Only when you don't play at all you are a real GOA-hater

 

[Himse]

I agree with that,it's really stupid and most pointless thing ever to say "I hate GOA but i still pay 'em. Only when you don't play at all you are a real GOA-hater

Yeah, i don't even play

but aparently the German GM's are actually online and working

unlike Requiel who fucked about all day and only came online to ruin peoples fun.

i seriously hope GOA realise how he never did his job as English community manager and then just fucked off to WoW.

Leaving Roaken in the shit.

not GOA bashing, just IainC bashing.

Makes me fucking angry that i ever payed out money for his wages.

 

[Conway]

then just fucked off to WoW.

WoW?

I will be leaving to be the community manager for WAR. My last day on the DAoC project will be this Wednesday.

 

[Himse]

WoW?

I meant WAR

fu :<

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

I'd think about what you are saying here. If you die 10 times in a row against better opponents in a duelling circle, then you may not get good RPs but the guys chain killing you are doing very nicely thank you. If someone dies, then logically someone else gets rps. And if someone has taken along a buffbot to rezz, then they get rps for the buffbot even if they die 10 times in a row themselves.

Originally I had a longer text written here, but I'll keep it short:

Do you really think that "As such, even if an unplanned duel between two players from opposing kingdoms is allowed if it these should remain as exceptional events,, it is not permitted to arrange fights between different realms for their personal benefit. This practice, usually called "RP farming", consists of earning realm points easily and quickly using 'controlled' fights, will be punished. Every user found spying, RP Farming or other abusive behaviour ruining other players' game play might see their account(s) temporarily or permanently closed." is worth the bits it has been written with?

Let me know please.

 

[Mirt]

So lets see if I got this straight, there was one of those impromtu dueling circles you used get and requiel decided to spawn some guards.

I wasn't a zerger, I usually avoided adding, and I don't roleplay in MMOs but you know what I dislike those dueling circles. I guess if the population's very low there's little alternative (actually there is, don't play).

It does sound rather over zealous if the version of events in this link is true https://forums.freddyshouse.com/rvr...loing-no-longer-allowed-then-im-out-here.html. Of course I'm not privy to the server logs so it's impossible to tell.

The only rational thing to do is judge GoA by how they perform in WAR. If they suck I'll cancel -- GW2 is my back up plan (it's sounding very interesting btw). There's always AoC too but I'm expecting it to be a bit crap.

 

[Conway]

Originally I had a longer text written here, but I'll keep it short:

Do you really think that "As such, even if an unplanned duel between two players from opposing kingdoms is allowed if it these should remain as exceptional events,, it is not permitted to arrange fights between different realms for their personal benefit. This practice, usually called "RP farming", consists of earning realm points easily and quickly using 'controlled' fights, will be punished. Every user found spying, RP Farming or other abusive behaviour ruining other players' game play might see their account(s) temporarily or permanently closed." is worth the bits it has been written with?

Let me know please.

Not sure what the question is. If you mean is it worth the letters that make it up then its probably a lot more worth it than most of the posts on this forum. It makes its point.

If you are asking for my personal view on the rules quoted then I'm afraid back in the olden days when there were real people on Dyvet (I accept finding people is probably tough now) I always had a huge amount of respect for real soloers.

Real soloers were the ones who went out, tracked down an enemy while risking being run over by groups, and fought in uncontrolled, outnumbered and unexpected fights, not necessarily of their choosing to get their rps. This seemed a lot slower and tougher to me than sitting round in a circle playing kiddie tea parties and beckoning at players of opposing realms and cushily deciding whether you fancied accepting a fight.

In my opinion, people who got their rps hard mode were worth more respect. Some people did all their rvr that way and never touched a dueling circle. However I didn't mind people who did want to take the kiddie tea party route so long as they didn't get in the way of people who wanted to play hard mode, and so long as they didn't abuse it and other people in the process.

Of course if someone went to duelling circles and never actually killed their opponent, just got them to low health to show who would have won, and therefore never got rps from it then no criticism at all. My impression was that this was not always the case.

It sounds like the bit you quote is referring to a tighter definition of controlled fight and means not just controlling who you fight, but the result. Obviously meeting up with your mate and taking turns to kill each other and rezz yourselves for rps is kind of pathetic along with radar and all the rest of the stuff that can get account closures.

Sorry if I'm not answering the right question. I'm doing my best.

 

[Gear]

There are like 10-20 people who post on these forums about how bad Requiel was. You can find that number of people who will bitch about anything.

Ever heard of the silent majority? Most of us just don't give a fuck anymore but that doesn't mean that's it's all water under the bridge!

 

[Jupiter]

Not sure what the question is. If you mean is it worth the letters that make it up then its probably a lot more worth it than most of the posts on this forum. It makes its point.

If you are asking for my personal view on the rules quoted then I'm afraid back in the olden days when there were real people on Dyvet (I accept finding people is probably tough now) I always had a huge amount of respect for real soloers.

Real soloers were the ones who went out, tracked down an enemy while risking being run over by groups, and fought in uncontrolled, outnumbered and unexpected fights, not necessarily of their choosing to get their rps. This seemed a lot slower and tougher to me than sitting round in a circle playing kiddie tea parties and beckoning at players of opposing realms and cushily deciding whether you fancied accepting a fight.

In my opinion, people who got their rps hard mode were worth more respect. Some people did all their rvr that way and never touched a dueling circle. However I didn't mind people who did want to take the kiddie tea party route so long as they didn't get in the way of people who wanted to play hard mode, and so long as they didn't abuse it and other people in the process.

Of course if someone went to duelling circles and never actually killed their opponent, just got them to low health to show who would have won, and therefore never got rps from it then no criticism at all. My impression was that this was not always the case.

It sounds like the bit you quote is referring to a tighter definition of controlled fight and means not just controlling who you fight, but the result. Obviously meeting up with your mate and taking turns to kill each other and rezz yourselves for rps is kind of pathetic along with radar and all the rest of the stuff that can get account closures.

Sorry if I'm not answering the right question. I'm doing my best.

Makes me wonder if u did actually play DAOC after posting that load of waffle. In OF stealthers hugged the MG's and only a handful actually did any "hunting". In NF stealthers hugged the bridges around Crau, Bled & Beno and again a handful only hunted. Its only when the likes of Gahn organised an actual solo area that the moved from there....

And yeah i still play the odd time on Dyvet but moreso on avalon

 

[Conway]

Makes me wonder if u did actually play DAOC after posting that load of waffle. In OF stealthers hugged the MG's and only a handful actually did any "hunting". In NF stealthers hugged the bridges around Crau, Bled & Beno and again a handful only hunted. Its only when the likes of Gahn organised an actual solo area that the moved from there....

And yeah i still play the odd time on Dyvet but moreso on avalon

You are quite right, most stealthers did.

I know there were only a handful who didn't, but in that handful were the people I hung out with most and the people I respected most. My buff bot buffed them when they finally had to admit it was just about impossible running without buffs any longer. Hence my waffle.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Not sure what the question is. If you mean is it worth the letters that make it up then its probably a lot more worth it than most of the posts on this forum. It makes its point.

If you are asking for my personal view on the rules quoted then I'm afraid back in the olden days when there were real people on Dyvet (I accept finding people is probably tough now) I always had a huge amount of respect for real soloers.

Real soloers were the ones who went out, tracked down an enemy while risking being run over by groups, and fought in uncontrolled, outnumbered and unexpected fights, not necessarily of their choosing to get their rps. This seemed a lot slower and tougher to me than sitting round in a circle playing kiddie tea parties and beckoning at players of opposing realms and cushily deciding whether you fancied accepting a fight.

In my opinion, people who got their rps hard mode were worth more respect. Some people did all their rvr that way and never touched a dueling circle. However I didn't mind people who did want to take the kiddie tea party route so long as they didn't get in the way of people who wanted to play hard mode, and so long as they didn't abuse it and other people in the process.

Of course if someone went to duelling circles and never actually killed their opponent, just got them to low health to show who would have won, and therefore never got rps from it then no criticism at all. My impression was that this was not always the case.

It sounds like the bit you quote is referring to a tighter definition of controlled fight and means not just controlling who you fight, but the result. Obviously meeting up with your mate and taking turns to kill each other and rezz yourselves for rps is kind of pathetic along with radar and all the rest of the stuff that can get account closures.

Sorry if I'm not answering the right question. I'm doing my best.

I am sorry, what point does the quoted Code of Conduct part make? I didn't find any, maybe it made the point of being the most self-contradicting piece of bullshit I have "seen" in a while. Can you imagine a self-contradicting piece of bullshit? It wants to be cake and people like you think it's cake while everyone who has seen a cow shitting or has a nose knows it bullshit.

Unless you can prove that any rezzers have been at the Crauchon bridge frequently for example you should just leave your assumption out. Yes, bringing a rezzer is a pathetic, but it's even more pathetic to compare that to radaring. No one of the solo people objected it when Shivae got his RPs stripped for real RP farming, loging at some quiet place and using own several chars to get RPs without any risk.

Unless you can prove that people met at a place to RP farm instead of looking for 1 vs 1 fights as they enjoy them you should just leave your assumption out.

Kids shouldn't be drinking tea btw, so I don't know what you are about. If you mean it's harder to run around through a couple of dozen empty RvR zones and die out of boredom rather than going to somewhere where you can expect a fight, then you are right. It's harder, I couldn't do it. The option I had was to die out of boredom, to join insta RvR (which funnily enough is as much of RP farming or dueling circles as anything else you want it to be) or to go and look for a solo fight.

You mentioned that people who met up to fight but didn't kill each other are fine, here is the newsflash: on Dyvet often stronger players didn't attack weaker players, they often only fought when beckoned or when attacked and some even backed up when it was to obvious that the weaker attacker is going to die.

Players who fight to death while 10 watch them deserve the RPs as much as someone running in a zerg or sitting in a tower. Again, funnily enough it is fine to have a rezzer in a tower and rezz and heal in the most controlled situation you can have, funnily enough it's okay to run with healers and rezzers in groups and to use them to maximize RPs but it's not when you meet up for a 1 vs 1. Technically there is no difference, ethnically there is and that's why there were almost never any rezzers nearby and if, then they got killed because the players knew it gives it all a bad look and because they knew that they are not DI botted cowards.

Anyway, you ommit a very important point in the whole discussion, why did Awarkle or CM yell for GMs? Because their contingency plan didn't work out, contingency plan as in trying to control the situation.

The roaming you mention is actually harder when solo, as you have less opportunities when you and your opponent meet a full group or more, the outcome is pretty obvious. You die. Now some full groups ran for the fun and RPs, but not for a good fight. Their contingency plan was that if they meet 1-2 they are 8 and if they meet 8 and loose they run as 16, 24 and so on.

Solo people decided then to look for areas where such players don't run, they tried to avoid RvR or run at its periphery. That was their contingency plan, their controlled situation they wanted to achieve and knowing that some other guys would stop fighting and kill any incoming people made them go to the place too. So others and me went to an area where we would expect players who don't want to get overrun all the time. Either there was someone there and we fought each other and logged. Others joined in and yes, they took turns if you like it to call it this way, they didn't engage in fights that already started.

Is that RP farming? No, it isn't. Running with a group to the place to farm the 2-4-6 people a couple of times is. We didn't sit there naked and if we would have wanted to RP farm we would have done it at a quiet place or joined a instant RvR with porting.

Does Awarkle or CM has the right to yell for a GM when the 2-4-6 people kill them as they didn't succeed for once? No and this is not debatable, it's cowardice.

Does a GM has the right to tell other players when and who to attack and to favor some play styles? No and this is not debatable, it's not professional since it's benefiting equally paying customers over others. (And please save me from some laughable theory that solo elitist people (or the kiddie tea party members as you call them) made the caster instant RvR zerg leave the game so GoA had to take action.)

Do you really think Awarkle or CM would have asked for a GM's help if they wouldn't have killed the so called duelling circle? I hope you don't, because I witnessed it too many times how Daesavio or CM or just a Sorc with a Cleric killed everybody over and over again for RPs until everybody logged.

Awarkle is a hypocrite, nothing stopped him from running over one with his buddies and emoting one after. As soon as some players put a stop to it, and you can't blame Albs and Mids for doing it, he calls in a GM because someone he ganked before ganked him now while a few Hibs watched.

I am 31 years old, I didn't ask anyone to tell me when and how to fight other players. When Taryx logged in once and told the OUTNUMBERING Hibs to kill OUTNUMBERED Albs and Mids or to get warnings I felt like in a kindergarten (your so mentioned kiddie tea party) and I never wanted to be in a kindergarten in the first place and if I would have wanted to be there I would have bitch slapped the nanny trying to tell me to join mass brawling versus weaker guys instead of sorting at face to face with my "enemy".

Do you get it? I am even drawing a real life analogy here, a kindergarten is not war and a (mass RvR) game is not war, a game is supposed to be fun and for some it's funnier to have a 1 vs 1 than n vs 1.

As simple as that.

GoA lost customers due to their policy, just use google, search for GoA and Code of Conduct, read the popular English/French/German forum hits.

When the scene playing the game in a more sportive game would leave DAoC you could close all servers. Oh wait, it's what happened to Dyvet!

I am getting tired of this, one more bullshit response and I'll have www.goa-no-thanks.org running.

EOD for me here.

 

[Cadelin]

Ever heard of the silent majority? Most of us just don't give a fuck anymore but that doesn't mean that's it's all water under the bridge!

The silent majority think you are a stupid troll.

If you don't care anymore don't post and don't claim that everyone else who doesn't post agrees with you either.

 

[Conway]

stuff...

I think you are getting excited about some things that I wasn't actually saying in that post.

Like I said in an earlier post, I have no idea whether Awarkle was being totally detached or out for revenge so I'm not commenting on his motives. I was not commenting on that specific event at all in my last post. In my opinion GOA should have taken a lot more care picking their E&Es, but I'm basing that on other incidents involving E&Es.

You quoted a rule and pushed for a response about it. What you got was my personal feelings about duelling circles in general, which was an honest one. I didn't like them and thought that soloers roaming earned their rps in a harder way.

This was followed by my opinion of the rule itself, where I tried to work out from the words you quoted what situation the rule would actually ban. Like I said in my post, I read the words you quoted as meaning what was actually banned was not so much duelling circles or controlling who you fight, but controlling the result of a fight to gain rps, or abusing other players. There is a big difference. It very much depends how GOA define a controlled fight for mutual benefit.

Obviously meeting up with your mate and taking turns to kill each other and rezz yourselves for rps is kind of pathetic along with radar and all the rest of the stuff that can get account closures.

This was my comment on what I read the words of the rule as banning. Or perhaps, more accurately, it is what I personally feel should be banned. What was really in my head was an incident on Camlann where a guild would let a new alt kill them all repeatedly for rps. Please note, I am not saying anything remotely like that was happening in the Awarkle incident.

back in the olden days when there were real people on Dyvet (I accept finding people is probably tough now)

As I said above, I was talking about the olden days and finding people is probably tough now so yes of course you would die of boredom running through a couple of dozen empty rvr zones. But duelling circles started before the zones were empty and one of the reasons I personally disliked them was that I felt they contributed to emptying the rvr zones because they drew a lot of people out of roaming rvr to sit in a circle.

Real soloers were the ones who went out, tracked down an enemy while risking being run over by groups.

The roaming you mention is actually harder when solo, as you have less opportunities when you and your opponent meet a full group or more, the outcome is pretty obvious. You die.

I believe we are actually saying the same thing here. I wasn't talking about roaming groups, I was talking about the rough time a roaming stealther had. Groups had a bad habit of wanting both to have their cake and eat it. They wanted their fair 8v8 fights but still flattened people they met in ones or twos. I never liked that double standard.

Hopefully, that makes my position clear to anyone prepared to read what I actually say rather than make assumptions. I'm not bothering to reply to any more of the over excited responses you get on this forum. Given the sort of things other posters say, I didn't feel that describing something as kiddies playing at tea parties was all that extreme a way of indicating I felt there were tougher ways to do rvr but obviously people are more sensitive than I thought.

 

[Gear]

The silent majority think you are a stupid troll.

If you don't care anymore don't post and don't claim that everyone else who doesn't post agrees with you either.

Such a great reply here... you're moving up in the world son!

 

[Conway]

Pastel Tea Set

The tea party thing was a little joke that apparently wasn't understood. Imagine a circle of small children sitting around a toy tea set playing at tea parties. Sorry, but to be honest every time I saw a dueling circle that was the picture that was in my head. Look, duelling circles just weren't my thing. Some people like em and good for them.

I better not say what picture was in my head whenever I encountered Horner. I would be banned for being a cruel and heartless person.

 

[Poon]

That sure is a nice tea set though

 

[old.Whoodoo]

WARis months away, and peeps are still bleeting on about GOAs screwing over of DAoC, hopefully EA will take note of this shit and lay down some "dont fuck with our game GOA or its the baseball bat and barbed wire enema for you!" rules.

In the meantime, some people jumping the gun and making assumptions about how its all gonne turn out might just need some of this to hold back a little enthusiasm.

 

[fettoken]

Screw warhammer, i got C0wnan beta. Ahh the graphics is so fluffy, like a lurikeen. But in a good way! You run around, jumping, smelling the flowers and dismembering people to the left and to the right. Then you go back to admiring the fluffy graphics.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Screw warhammer, i got C0wnan beta. Ahh the graphics is so fluffy, like a lurikeen. But in a good way! You run around, jumping, smelling the flowers and dismembering people to the left and to the right. Then you go back to admiring the fluffy graphics.

Ill stick to games with decent gameplay, too much fluff makes for shite fun and cancelled subs. My Little Pony has great gfx, screw playing that tho, but some here I know might find it fun

 

[fettoken]

Ill stick to games with decent gameplay, too much fluff makes for shite fun and cancelled subs. My Little Pony has great gfx, screw playing that tho, but some here I know might find it fun

DaoC beta wasn´t really decent gameplay at first, was soo many bugs and really not much to do. I´d say it will be improved with time, but fluffy graphix is a good start ;D Tho i can´t really complain about the gameplay really... its better than that grind Vanguard or EQ2.

 

[Skaven]

Requiel is an asshat.

Im hoping he just gets fucking fired for WAR.

Let someone with a clue run the game please.

Pissed with all his bullshit about English Cluster.

I remember back in the day there were certain things that I saw that made me ponder a little as to wtf was going on. When I heard a while back that Requiel was going to be part of the WAR team my heart did sink a little.

At the end of the day i'll be playing on the euro servers just because its easier than pissing about to get on the us servers with the time diffrence etc. However this time I will have no problems upping sticks and pissing off over there at the first sign of trouble unlike last time when I just put up with it. Fortunatly I know someone at EA whos part of the WAR team so any shit that happens will get back to him quite fast.

 

[Azathrim]

Fortunatly I know someone at EA whos part of the WAR team so any shit that happens will get back to him quite fast.

Slap him around a bit for even allowing GoA to run WAR in Europe. What a joke that decision was.