About Dyvet Admins..

[Arethir]

Well, I've rarely ever touched any work like that, but what I have touched is formulars.

Say my paladin Arethir has 100p on it. GoA has a record, that my pala has 100p on it, because the information about all characters is stored in their database.

Now, using a formular, you can take the sign for 100, make it 100 on a different server, and take the sign for plats, and make it = plats on the other server. Create enough of these forumlars, for every single item there is in this game (though I'm sure there could be a compromise, such as only items you can wear and use are transfered, not the ones you simply sell), and you can simply use them collectively on the characters, one by one, telling the machine the new meaning of this word "plats", into whatever the german word is for it. Which would make the machine believe I have 100p on the german server, same as I had on the english server. So they wouldn't have to go through everything manually, and there'd be less mistyping as it's all formulars.

Anyhow, that's just one way (which seems quite easy to overcome to me) of doing this. I'm sure there's thousands more. But, BUT, GoA won't supply the $$ to make the guy sit there all day and make these formulars. Or make all the new characters, or whatever. Is my guess. Though let's pray I'm wrong.

 

[Cromcruaich]

May I presume that Roll of Honour is a service you aren't providing anymore too, while it's now nearly 3 months down.

Lets be realistic here - ask roaken if he would like:

A char transfer option
A server cluster for dyvet
A working roll of honour
The ability to release an english section news, authored by him
The ability to run his own events on the english cluster
Marketing push to encourage new players to the english cluster
Improved subs system
More freedom to communicate with the server population via this forum,or an official forum
More freedom to seek direct user opinion using in game polling

then you dont really think his response would be - 'naw, all that shite isnt for duvet, i like it just the way it is - thats why I applied for the job' - do you?

So dont have a go at the wrong person.

 

[Cromcruaich]

- the leveling sure isn't fun after doing it half a dozen times
- crafting isn't much fun or interesting ...nor is trying to find a crafter to do a larger order
- MLs ...no, not much fun there
- CLs ... well, see above

RvR is fun, that's why most people still play this game. The steps to be competative aren't though.

I dislike this americanisation but - word bro!

 

[CorNokZ]

Exactly what I meant Crom

 

[Septina]

Been able to beat sounds a bit like you didn't make it to the top groups like OG for example.

Dont care what it sounds like, my point was, the groups i've been in over the years has always been able to put up good fights vs any given group, not saying we always won, plenty of groups we 50/50d vs, still something Pip will never be able to say. So it's rather rich of him to call people adders and zergers when thats pretty much the only way he gets his rps.

 

[Genedril]

Well, I've rarely ever touched any work like that, but what I have touched is formulars.

& more stuff.

(Not cut cause I don't agree mind).

All sounds rather like a mechanised system to me which is no doubt what Mythic have & use when they're doing char transfers & therefore there might be licensing issues.

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then you dont really think his response would be - 'naw, all that shite isnt for duvet, i like it just the way it is - thats why I applied for the job' - do you?

So dont have a go at the wrong person.

At the risk of using this forum as an extension of the group forums, I agree - you can't blame Roaken. He's trying to make the best of a bad job. He's probably finding it like something akin to swimming with his hands tied behind his back while wearing boots filled with concrete while having FH people circling him like sharks screaming abuse at him.

 

[Golena]

So dont have a go at the wrong person.

If someone repeatedly hits you in the face and you say "stop that please" you don't get told to direct your voice at his hand not his ear, even tho his ear technically hasn't done anything wrong.

Roaken is the person to blame because he's the customer support person responsible for dealing with us. I doubt anyone has anything personal against him, but we can't direct our anger at the people responsible for the descision since they are sat in a comfy office somewhere so we direct it at the bit of the company that's being paid to listen to us in the hope that the message actually filters up through to someone that can do something about it.

Maybe he is doing the best he can do.. that's not the point tho.

 

[Arethir]

Have to say I agree with Golena. We need/want to get through to GoA, Roaken is the guy to get us there. I feel sorry for him in the matter that it will be a shit job to have when you get all this whine thrown at you, but there is no other way when his job is to receive this whine. And there will be whine, cause GoA is not delivering the service we paid them to do.

Ofc, legally and officially, they have done nothing wrong, but they have still failed us, their customers, in my honest opinion. Which will give them a bad reputation, because the customers are not satisfied. The more we scream, the crappier of a reputation will they get, and the bigger chance there is that they will do something to prevent us from keeping on screaming.

Though I do see what you mean Crom. It's not his fault. But when my phone broke and I went and complained about it and got myself a new because it was fabric faults, it wasn't the fault of the guy I complained to either. It's just his job, as this is Roaken's job. And I want my phone fixed. Bad.

 

[preacherboy]

Dont care what it sounds like, my point was, the groups i've been in over the years has always been able to put up good fights vs any given group, not saying we always won, plenty of groups we 50/50d vs, still something Pip will never be able to say. So it's rather rich of him to call people adders and zergers when thats pretty much the only way he gets his rps.

Only ever talk facts from what I've seen in my playing time, If the facts offend you then I am sorry, as goes for grps, if I played 8v8 24/7 like your grps have that have earned prob 50% of your rpeees from killing solo-duo-trios all the way to rr11 then my grp Prob be best grp in the history of this fine game. END OF

 

[Septina]

Only ever talk facts from what I've seen in my playing time, If the facts offend you then I am sorry, as goes for grps, if I played 8v8 24/7 like your grps have that have earned prob 50% of your rpeees from killing solo-duo-trios all the way to rr11 then my grp Prob be best grp in the history of this fine game. END OF

People that deserved it was left alone by our group. Be it soloers, trios etc etc. Random zergsurfing adding cockbois(™jamies) like yourself and many others wont get an ounce of respect since they wont think twice about trying to ruin our fights. And it's kinda amusing, as far as i can remember there wasnt many soloers, duos, trios running around during the Agramon FG nights.

 

[DeathsBows]

Well, I've rarely ever touched any work like that, but what I have touched is formulars.

Say my paladin Arethir has 100p on it. GoA has a record, that my pala has 100p on it, because the information about all characters is stored in their database.

Now, using a formular, you can take the sign for 100, make it 100 on a different server, and take the sign for plats, and make it = plats on the other server. Create enough of these forumlars, for every single item there is in this game (though I'm sure there could be a compromise, such as only items you can wear and use are transfered, not the ones you simply sell), and you can simply use them collectively on the characters, one by one, telling the machine the new meaning of this word "plats", into whatever the german word is for it. Which would make the machine believe I have 100p on the german server, same as I had on the english server. So they wouldn't have to go through everything manually, and there'd be less mistyping as it's all formulars.

Anyhow, that's just one way (which seems quite easy to overcome to me) of doing this. I'm sure there's thousands more. But, BUT, GoA won't supply the $$ to make the guy sit there all day and make these formulars. Or make all the new characters, or whatever. Is my guess. Though let's pray I'm wrong.

if ya type /level to a german npc ya get that level 20 same as type /where so the database or whatever its called i think is basically english with germen on top, the base maybe the same everywhere

must be some way to get the anwsers back in english instead of german..

so like on avalon they must have the english dictonary down in there somewhere.





and that


Roaken-p answers.
Neither i'm afraid , technically it is not possible to cluster further and we do not offer character transfer.


maybe they can't cluster but from the look at that reply character transfer can be done, but to me its sounds like they cba

 

[preacherboy]

People that deserved it was left alone by our group. Be it soloers, trios etc etc. Random zergsurfing adding cockbois(™jamies) like yourself and many others wont get an ounce of respect since they wont think twice about trying to ruin our fights. And it's kinda amusing, as far as i can remember there wasnt many soloers, duos, trios running around during the Agramon FG nights.

ok so you all got rr11 in Agramon

 

[Bugz]

Ok, regarding the amount of posts regarding character transfer - This is not a service we provide.

Regarding clustering - It is not technically possible for us to cluster the English Cluster with another cluster.

How many people have more fun with their RR10 characters than gaining realm points and getting to that stage? Player's will always state that RvR is fun, they do not state that RvRing with a Realm Rank 10 is fun, i'm sure it is, but it's the journey the player's take that makes the RvR so enjoyable - as is the personal attachment they gain with the characters they play with - this is maybe why players are so passionate about this game.

I'm sure this post clearly demonstrates the mentality of GoA in such situations.

We can't be arsed but it's character-building and FUN for you to re-level and spend time doing the same stuff you've already done because a company are too fucking ignorance to care about their customers.

The ironic thing is, GoA don't think much about their marketing and reputation. The DAoC player base is much more likely to play WH than any other 'base' of people. By fucking them off - you just encourage them not to plau EU WH.

Clever...

 

[Mckennitt]

Timm said: My point is i dont wanna start over again ..

and btw u have a rr10 char ? -no. so shut up, thanks..

When small kids like you learn how to crawl then u might end up reliazing that u have something called balls btw your legs.

If a person like you has opinion just because u attained an rr10 character then my 80 year old granny can write shit more.

So stfu and try to be more constructive instead of jumping the bandwagon of l33tism bollox that u and your fellows have driver this server into decay.

Regards
Mck

 

[Arethir]

As already pointed out in this thread, it's not the fact that he is rr10 and his opinion therefore is worth more. It's got nothing to do with the rr. What it has got something to do with is the time and dedication he has put into this game, to get where he is today. If person A spends a year /played in this game, and person B spends 100 days /played, then person A might be more attached to the game and his characters.

So in this case "leetism" ain't involved. It's just a matter of how much time and effort you put into the game and your characters.

However I understand that can be hard to understand for some. Or tbh, no I don't. But maybe some people are slightly retarded and don't pay much attention.

Edit: And speaking of jumping the "bandwagon of l33tism".... That's a nice avatar you have there...

 

[atos]

Lets faile a lawsuit at Goa for doing a bad job?

 

[Sorin]

Interesting.....

















uke:

 

[aika]

There was more action in hills of claret on us classic tonight than on Dyvet.

 

[Septina]

ok so you all got rr11 in Agramon

It's like talking to a brick wall. :X

 

[Cromcruaich]

If someone repeatedly hits you in the face and you say "stop that please" you don't get told to direct your voice at his hand not his ear, even tho his ear technically hasn't done anything wrong.

Roaken is the person to blame because he's the customer support person responsible for dealing with us. I doubt anyone has anything personal against him, but we can't direct our anger at the people responsible for the descision since they are sat in a comfy office somewhere so we direct it at the bit of the company that's being paid to listen to us in the hope that the message actually filters up through to someone that can do something about it.

Maybe he is doing the best he can do.. that's not the point tho.

Semantics, but he isnt the person to blame, the blame I believe lies very firmly elsewhere, also he isn't the person to berate on FH. Though authoring probloms and complaints in a constructive and well thought out manner directed at roaken I agree, should have some merit .

Well it would normally - but I think its to late in the day for anything to make a difference - so many subs have slipped that its no longer appears economically viable to provide any solution - classic catch 22 situation and to me shows how badly we were served by people responsible for Dyvet when it was paying its way.

But I digress, just to be clear, I was defending roaken against a specific 'strap-line' poster, rather than Arethir and you. Nothing at all wrong with pushing for answers to questions, just dont see the point of insulting the poor guy (which I know you werent doing).

 

[Cromcruaich]

I'm sure this post clearly demonstrates the mentality of GoA in such situations.

We can't be arsed but it's character-building and FUN for you to re-level and spend time doing the same stuff you've already done because a company are too fucking ignorance to care about their customers.

The ironic thing is, GoA don't think much about their marketing and reputation. The DAoC player base is much more likely to play WH than any other 'base' of people. By fucking them off - you just encourage them not to plau EU WH.

Clever...

Hehe reasonable points made pretty strongly. Though its not that they cant be arsed, its that it aint economically viable. I wouldnt be surprised if they had lost some of the backroom developers who would of been able to do the work - either to WAR, or simply moved on. Something we'll never know though.

 

[Gahn]

Hehe reasonable points made pretty strongly. Though its not that they cant be arsed, its that it aint economically viable. I wouldnt be surprised if they had lost some of the backroom developers who would of been able to do the work - either to WAR, or simply moved on. Something we'll never know though.

A decent firm would have planned and worked for a viable solution 2 years ago when the cow was still milking money.
They don't give a shit, never did and never will.
Should be pretty clear by now, rest is like discussing of Angels Sex imo.

 

[Cromcruaich]

A decent firm would have planned and worked for a viable solution 2 years ago when the cow was still milking money.
They don't give a shit, never did and never will.
Should be pretty clear by now, rest is like discussing of Angels Sex imo.

Yup, agree. Alluded to that in post before.

 

[Roaken]

On the US servers they have one language, English (US) - The game clients and server's are all the same, this is why it is a piece of cake for them to cluster. What we have is something completely different due to language packs on each server and different client versions, we literally ship five copies of the same game.

The US playerbase can change between servers with more choice / availability. The european servers are always going to be behind the US servers due to them getting patches before us and thus playing a more upto date game, just bare in mind that we do translate it all ourselves.

On a community management note, I can really empathise with the way everyone feels - I want to work with the community to get a better playing experience for everyone, i want to work with you all and be your voice, but please try and keep the idea's and view as clear as you can without GOA hating as much - It subtracts from the actual work that is needed to make the community thrive again, it's a knock on effect and your only harming the player community.

Phrase of the day: 'If you have nothing good to say, don't say it.'

 

[CorNokZ]

I don't know the facts 100%, but didn't they cluster a japanese server with a US server?

 

[Arethir]

Well, that's alot of well written and nice words there Roaken. But...

It subtracts from the actual work that is needed to make the community thrive again

Which is what excactly...? Do you mean that there actually IS some work being done "to make the community thrive again"? If so, I would very much like to hear more about it! Because atm it seems to me that you are the only GoA personnel working for Dyvet, and that there is nothing else being done in any way to find a solution to the problems. Ofc, to me, it seems impossible to find a solution to these problems at this stage of the game, it should of happened 1+ year ago atleast if there should be any hope... But, even though there might not be a solution to saving the server, there is still a solution to save the players! You know it, we know it, GoA knows it. Are they working on this solution, is there any chance they are going to be giving us the option in the future? Or do we have to wait for them to finish WAR, and then maybe they will have a look at it?

 

[Cromcruaich]

Well, that's alot of well written and nice words there Roaken. But...



Which is what excactly...? Do you mean that there actually IS some work being done "to make the community thrive again"? If so, I would very much like to hear more about it! Because atm it seems to me that you are the only GoA personnel working for Dyvet, and that there is nothing else being done in any way to find a solution to the problems. Ofc, to me, it seems impossible to find a solution to these problems at this stage of the game, it should of happened 1+ year ago atleast if there should be any hope... But, even though there might not be a solution to saving the server, there is still a solution to save the players! You know it, we know it, GoA knows it. Are they working on this solution, is there any chance they are going to be giving us the option in the future? Or do we have to wait for them to finish WAR, and then maybe they will have a look at it?

Good probing questions.

 

[Amphrax]

CBA to read all the replies.

I think it would be alot easier to do 'account transfer' than 'char transfer' imo.

but then again would you sit down infront of a computer opening 20,000+ characters and edit them?

Feck no I wouldn't, but thats me.

They got our money and run off with it imo.

Amphrax/Arauddry

 

[Arethir]

I don't know the facts 100%, but didn't they cluster a japanese server with a US server?

Nice! Didn't they do that? Anyhow...

The same way they can translate the US patches into german and french, they can translate Dyvet into german and french. It would require actually transforming the whole server, which is... well... I guess it could take the GoA staff a good few months doing it with all the add-ons and the shit! Depends really how much of the server they would like to cluster... Maybe if they clustered only the RvR zone it wouldn't be that big of a job...

 

[Arethir]

CBA to read all the replies.

I think it would be alot easier to do 'account transfer' than 'char transfer' imo.

but then again would you sit down infront of a computer opening 20,000+ characters and edit them?

Feck no I wouldn't, but thats me.

They got our money and run off with it imo.

Amphrax/Arauddry

Well, if each person had to pay a fee to get his character edited into .de, then they would only have to do the transfer for a certain number of people, and they'd even make alot of money doing so. However, they might be expecting that people buy new accs and spend new time lvling and shit so that people spend even more time on the game, which will make them more money for less work..