A Unwritten Rule.

[ViPeOuT]

Again i never spoke of campbots, u read things that arent written.
Secondly, no1 has in advantage so many ppl ready ppl log in and off during the day constantly, and u are not gone yell over AS or guild come join me at X but its not spawned yet. Ppl wont show up for that

Well I dunno about everyone elses guilds but atleast mine is usually active during the day and have the means to help with almost any artifact and they usually do if I or anyone else in guild needs the help.
The point being is why would those with the means to do the artifact let those who can't get the people needed there in less than 30mins or so have it? As you said it yourself "no1 has in advantage so many ppl ready" (I think you mean advance btw) but what if they really have the people needed and that single guy camping the encounter dont and wont have it for another 30-60min?

 

[vavires]

Yes I did actually:



However your opinion isnt always the general one and some seem to think that camping an artifact for 10 hours with a bot while doing something else is also claiming the ultimate rights to do the encounter even though they haven't really been active around there...

I might have put it in a wierd way but there was actually a separate point in my post which had nothing to do with someone being AFK-Camping with a bot:



As I said... In theory it's possible to camp an artifact 24/7 and claim that all the pops of the encounter is yours.
Example: ML9 SM with Bot can do several artifacts encounters and still only use one computer. With some help from friends who might take over the camping when the first one gets tired someone would be possible to lock down an artifact 24/7. Ok sure if he's actually active and needs the artifact and gets it ONCE when it pops but camping/farming there for greed while enforcing this "unwritten rule" seems like a load of BS to me. In no way taking farming before need is respect for other players.

Still an ML9 SM with Bot who's active wont come across the problem of someone "stealing" the artifact that often since he has no reason to stand around waiting when he has all the means of doing the encounter himself.

But the general point being in this subject that someone who's solo and not sure he can amass the needed players for the encounter when it pops shouldn't really have the right to say it's his.
Which brings us back to the point of the "RL Queues" posts.
Let's say you're standing in line to buy food or whatever and when you reach the registrer you notice you don't have any money to pay for your stuff and the line is long behind you. Would you say it's everyone behind you that should respect you and wait quietly behind you while you phone your friends to come there with money? In reality any sane person would let those in the line behind them go ahead or they would forcefully be removed.

Well ultimatly what I'm trying to say is that just as Bahumat said, 10min is way too long time to let someone respond if they are camping the encounter or not. However if they do and then claim that they have someone inc to help them atleast I might be nice enough to let them have that chance IF they manages to get there in a set amount of time. If there would be no set time for them to get the backup needed for the encounter then anyone solo can just claim that they got people inc all day and thus locking the encounter for everyone else.

1 i dont think ppl would do that, they would ask u to join or if he does, u wait and c if there are really ppl inc, the u can still claim it

 

[charmangle]

Thinking my opinion is the general one...

1. Well yes I do.
I actually do think that its a massive, even overwhelming majority of the people playing this game (Both excal and prydwen! that think it would be alot more fun if they got 15 minutes to gather their friends after activly camping an artifact for 10 hours in a row, instead of having a summsm relog in 1 minute and steamroll it. Can you honestly say that if you were in that position you would just say: Oh thank you nice of you to take the artifact from me ?

Btw have you noticed that its not one prydwen player thats argued for the stealing ?

2. You keep talking about afk bots...if it answeres your /send its active hence its actually wasted 10 hours of its life while you with your "Its not in the rules therefor I can do what ever I want" attitude havent done anything for it.'

3. No its not possible. Common sence says that when you have gotten your arti you are happy and leave it to others. And before you say that will never work, its already worked along time on prydwen. Ofc there are the odd camper that argue about it but 99% of the time if you point out that he has already gotten his arti he understands that its only fair to leave the next 10 hours camping to you.

You keep trying to find faults with it. Easy to fix faults that Im pretty sure you already thought about the solutions too. (Since you clearly think through your posts before doing them).

Can you honestly tell me that you think that its going to be a friendlier place if its a steamrolling server instead of the way we suggest ?

To elaborate even more...

Can you honestly tell me that you dont think a friendlier server is better for the game in whole ?

And at last:
Lets say your very best friend in the world has been camping Danos for 10 hours straight. You hear his voice over the phone blurry tired and annoyed at the arti encounter and it doesnt pop. He keeps complaining over that its his last arti in his rvr template etc etc.

An hour later you arrive at Danos with a couple of your game friends and you see him still standing there and the encounter just popped. So ofc true to your arguments as you are you just steamroll the artifact and lotto it with your game friends and tells your real life friend to sod off because he should have gotten 10 other friends there to do it for him faster.

Can you honestly say that this is what you would do ?

I refuse to believe that anyone would act that way when it comes to a good friend.

So what one has to ask one self is: If its not okay to do to a friend, then is it okay to do it to others ?

/Charmangle

 

[charmangle]

The point being is why would those with the means to do the artifact let those who can't get the people needed there in less than 30mins or so have it?

But please Vipeout stick to what we have written:
We are not talking about bots or players who take an hour to get their group together. You bringing up stuff that we havent spoken about just confuses those who dont have the stamina to read through the entire thread.

What we have been arguing about is this and only this:
An active player is camping an artifact. You ask him politly if he is going to do it. Then you give him 15 minutes to gather his friends if he hasnt you just tell him that he has had a long time to get ready now but he can join you for credit if he wants to. And you go off and do it.

If the person doesnt reply u in the next 10 minutes hes presumed as a AFK-camper. So at that time U can take the right upon u to claim the mob.

Thats the quote from the original post that is what we are discussing about.

Its polite and it will get the person camping angry at his friends for beeing slow not at you or your friends for just stealing it. Rather the other way around hell probably be grateful for you beeing so nice to him instead and try help you out next time.

/Charmangle

 

[Calo]

1. Well yes I do.
I actually do think that its a massive, even overwhelming majority of the people playing this game (Both excal and prydwen! that think it would be alot more fun if they got 15 minutes to gather their friends after activly camping an artifact for 10 hours in a row, instead of having a summsm relog in 1 minute and steamroll it. Can you honestly say that if you were in that position you would just say: Oh thank you nice of you to take the artifact from me ?

True, but i would not spend more then 30mins camping an artifact, better do something else. But yes give them 15mins when they say they got ppl inc.

Btw have you noticed that its not one prydwen player thats argued for the stealing ?

you are really anti-excal aren't you?

2. You keep talking about afk bots...if it answeres your /send its active hence its actually wasted 10 hours of its life while you with your "Its not in the rules therefor I can do what ever I want" attitude havent done anything for it.'

IF its a grey bot... he has no right at all to claim that item because it is probably a secondary account logged in. I'm srry but then ppl like danord could claim 5 arti's at 1 time, which would be fine for you, right?

3. No its not possible. Common sence says that when you have gotten your arti you are happy and leave it to others. And before you say that will never work, its already worked along time on prydwen. Ofc there are the odd camper that argue about it but 99% of the time if you point out that he has already gotten his arti he understands that its only fair to leave the next 10 hours camping to you.

Welcome to Excalibur where ppl farm arti's for money

Can you honestly tell me that you think that its going to be a friendlier place if its a steamrolling server instead of the way we suggest ?

I agree, i'v always respected those "rules".
Tho you can't force people, and you won't scare people off with banning them from your raids, like someone said, you can do it yourself and 90% won't give a fuck aslong as you do the raid good.

Can you honestly tell me that you dont think a friendlier server is better for the game in whole ?

ofcourse it is.

And at last:
Lets say your very best friend in the world has been camping Danos for 10 hours straight. You hear his voice over the phone blurry tired and annoyed at the arti encounter and it doesnt pop. He keeps complaining over that its his last arti in his rvr template etc etc.

An hour later you arrive at Danos with a couple of your game friends and you see him still standing there and the encounter just popped. So ofc true to your arguments as you are you just steamroll the artifact and lotto it with your game friends and tells your real life friend to sod off because he should have gotten 10 other friends there to do it for him faster.

I would laugh at my friend that he is so stupid to camp 10 hours for it, i would tell him that he should log on every night and check danos because there is a big chance its up and i will help him with it then.
Friend says ok and next day he has gov, easy pie.
In your case, i would help my friend ofcourse, and my game mates would understand that.

 

[charmangle]

you are really anti-excal aren't you?

Nah mate not at all.!
Im just pretty sure we have had a different atmosphere on the two servers!

IF its a grey bot... he has no right at all to claim that item because it is probably a secondary account logged in. I'm srry but then ppl like danord could claim 5 arti's at 1 time, which would be fine for you, right?

Well im still gonna refere to common sence...there are only a few people in game that have the ability and the odacity to try something like that and they tend to get recognized pretty fast and outed/frozen out.

Tho you can't force people, and you won't scare people off with banning them from your raids, like someone said, you can do it yourself and 90% won't give a fuck aslong as you do the raid good.

Ofc you cant force people to be decent. But you can choose not to include them in your game life. And when enough people take a stand against bad behaviour it will make a difference!

It might be hard to see once youve had a harsh climate on your server where the grab and go attitude have spread. But it has worked on prydwen and im pretty sure it will on excal too! Its just a matter of getting the majority of the community to embrace the idea of a friendlier nature in the game.

Ofc there will always be the odd person who havent matured over the "I see it its mine" attitude all people have when they are 6 years old. But as long as the majority of the players especially those who already are making alot of effort to help out the community, try to make these odd persons understand that if noone will ever play/talk with them in any way they wount be able to use their loot. (Raidleaders/guildleaders/alliance leaders etc).

It usually just take a couple of bans from major raids or guildleaders kicking the person for a day or two and other guilds not inviting them etc. for the entire climate to start changing.

The hardest thing with this is actually getting people who has gotten used to getting ripped off for a year or so to see that there are ways to shut the bad people out. Let them play with themselves until their willies fall off! I believe that most people want to be nice to eachother if they just are given the oportunity!

In your case, i would help my friend ofcourse, and my game mates would understand that.

Ofc you would and so would 99% of us! Now the question is...wouldnt it be nicer if all just treated everyone as if they were a friend ?

The only thing preventing us from doing this in my opinion is that we feel that the favour wount be returned when its us standing there. But if we work together we can make that happen! It has already worked on prydwen so why wouldnt it work on excal! Im pretty sure you arent such bad people deep down!

/Charmangle

 

[Glenmorangie]

First of all, if a mob is not engaged, it aint stealing.

Second, it's courtesy to let someone camping do the encounter. Courtesy isnt courtesy anymore when it's being forced.

Third, I really don't understand how you come off telling other people how to play. Mind you, I barely log onto mid anymore, so it wont affect me in the least, but who do you think you are? Threatening people who don't agree with your views...

On top of that, you haven't reacted to how you think this would influence people that do not have the time to camp? Just tough luck? Should have stayed unemployed or shouldn't have gotten kids?

You say alot of people agree with the rule, that's nice, I'm quite sure alot more people disagree, but can't be arsed to post because they really don't care a single bit about you and your rules (or they are on Classic )

All in all, you complain about people being bad for the community, who are you to try and run em off the server? No matter how many raids you've led, I don't see you contributing in this way, rather splitting up the community because of your views

 

[vavires]

I dont force any1.
We dont like ppl doing that, so i posted this.
In reaction if ppl do that they dont get on our raids.
Can u follow?

Ok then, its still there own choice, but they will have to suffer the consequences of being banned

 

[charmangle]

Im not sure who you are talking about but ill answere...

First of all, if a mob is not engaged, it aint stealing.

Second, it's courtesy to let someone camping do the encounter. Courtesy isnt courtesy anymore when it's being forced.

Third, I really don't understand how you come off telling other people how to play. Mind you, I barely log onto mid anymore, so it wont affect me in the least, but who do you think you are? Threatening people who don't agree with your views...

On top of that, you haven't reacted to how you think this would influence people that do not have the time to camp? Just tough luck? Should have stayed unemployed or shouldn't have gotten kids?

You say alot of people agree with the rule, that's nice, I'm quite sure alot more people disagree, but can't be arsed to post because they really don't care a single bit about you and your rules (or they are on Classic )

All in all, you complain about people being bad for the community, who are you to try and run em off the server? No matter how many raids you've led, I don't see you contributing in this way, rather splitting up the community because of your views

You keep saying its about forcing people...
Havent you read through the posts ? Its ABOUT not wanting to play the game with people you dont like.

If someone dont show you courtesy, why should you play with them at all ?

You CANT force ME to play with people who have no respect for me at all. (have them in my guild/alliance/raids/rvr) etc.

You cant on one hand argue that everyone is allowed to play the game as they wish, and then turn around and say its unfair that others choose to play the game with the people that they like. Thats just double standard.
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About splitting the community. What you dont understand is that the community is already in an uproar. This is not an isolated incident. When prydwen has had a long period of courtesy against echother and alot of excal people havent and you bring these two together, its gonna be alot of friction. And unless someone takes a stand the bad way will be the one prevailing since no one wants to be the butt of the joke. And then we have a "they did it to me so why shouldnt I do it to everyone else" community. Do you really want that kind of community ? (even when you dont logon to much you cant tell me that you like that atmosphere)

/Charmangle

 

[Kathal]

I will from this day ban all ppl that ban ppl from their raids, including myself.

My ban list:
Kathal

PS. There is no such thing as an unwritten rule that’s written down. Get it?? If you write it down, the unwritten rule kind of morphs into something else.

 

[Kathal]

This post is interesting, if you think "fuck vavi i'll do what i want when i want" he can stop people from doing raids, i have never heard of you or bluesky so i dont know how much potential power you have. Could you make their lives harder? do you get involved with alot of ml raids/cata raids thus the ability of preventing people from coming?

Then their's the flip side, if someone is camping an arte i think its fair to ask them about it, do they have ppl inc, are they afk. To be fair the 10 minute rule is a bit long, i think you should give someone 5 minutes, if they reply they have a further 15 minutes to get people there for the encounter. If they dont appear to have anyone inc you can claim the arte and he can leech credit.

Now here's the rub, Does Bluesky and Vavi have enough manpower to make your lives harder? if yes then im afraid we have to bite the bullet and follow his rules, if he's a random guy, one of many who can lead big raids you can say "go fuck yourself".

This whole post basically lies on the above statement (untill the patch), im keen to see if they have enough power to make people follow their idea.

p.s. dont use my thread to insult me or my thoughts, its merely an observation and i have in NO WAY told you what choice i would make.

NONE have that power. But there are MANY that have the power to ruin all these raids if they want to. How does empty ML10 sounds??
If you piss off enough ppl this will backfire BIGTIME. You do not want to piss of the wrong ppl little brother (Pryd). Excal will "own" ya
None have the power to tell what ppl should or shouldn't do in this game (Except the GMs etc. ofc).

 

[Bahumat]

None have the power to tell what ppl should or shouldn't do in this game (Except the GMs etc. ofc).

and David Hasselhoff!

 

[Thorwyn]

Talking about community and courtesy and fair play and stuff...
If someone with no life and tons of free time to spare is camping an artifact for 10+ hours and claiming a right to get the arti just because he´s been sitting there all day long, would you conisder that "fair" to a casual player, who´s lust logging on every other night for 2-3 hours? Those people would never be able to get their artifacts.
If camping the arti gives you a right to get the encounter/arti, then each and every artifact in game will be completely cut off by a bunch of JimmiPowerGamers (who then proceed to sell their crap on Ebay for RL cash). This "unwritten rule" (apart from the fact that the tone of this thread and the "consequences" are a pretty ridiculous display of arrogance and overinflated ego) and has every potential to backlash BIG times and create the exact opposite of the initial intention.

 

[Glenmorangie]

You are trying to impose your views on others and have repercussions if people don't do as you say. If that's not an attempt to force people... hmmm, wonder what is. Charmangle even wanted to harass people so they would leave the game.

You can't decide who plays on this realm and on this server. You can only decide with whom you associate.

Also wholy agree with Thorwyn. The only effect your thread has had is that I will never participate in any of your raids.

 

[charmangle]

Sigh...

NONE have that power. But there are MANY that have the power to ruin all these raids if they want to. How does empty ML10 sounds??
If you piss off enough ppl this will backfire BIGTIME. You do not want to piss of the wrong ppl little brother (Pryd). Excal will "own" ya
None have the power to tell what ppl should or shouldn't do in this game (Except the GMs etc. ofc).

Sigh once again for those who still havent picked up on the last 20 posts or so...

Its not about power...its about everyone playing the game with people they like and having the right not to play with those they dont like.

If you like to steamroll people without a care in the world about the fact that you actually ruin the game for alot of people. Those same people and their friends have the right to just not include you when doing their own thing.

Once you get that its gonna be alot easier to discuss. You get the treatment youve earned in the game.

/Charmangle

ps: Well babybrother have been holding their own alot better than bigger brother did before cluster if im not totally incorrect! ds.

 

[charmangle]

Hmm...

Charmangle even wanted to harass people so they would leave the game.

Glen...youd better clarify this!

Do not make up stuff, do not try and impose your own sick whishes on other people. If you make up stuff out of thin air I will do exactly the same thing about you. Either stick to what is written and true or shut up.

Its entirely possible that your just mentally challenged enough not to be able to comprehend the sentances here. IF that is the case, just say so and Ill spell it out in simple words for you. But I need to know if thats the case...its to much work to put in to write so that even people like you understand what is written otherwise.

/Charmangle

ps. If you put in such a blantantly IQ-liberated comment as this youd better be damn sure to make a quote of the text where it is written or your just gonna look like the idiot you probably are.ds

 

[Glenmorangie]

Well only one problem with that...by the coc its the one that hits the mob first who OWNs the mob...so far you are right...

BUT you are dealing with real life people here and they and their friends and their friends in turn will dispise your behaviour if you just run in and kill a mob they have been waiting for for 10 hours or so...meaning that its even though goa wount do anything about it YOU will be responsible for creating a bad feeling within the midgard community hence you will also be eligable for retaliations by those people who think your behaviour was bad for the realm.

To put it plainly I for one will ban people who I hear of "steal" artifacts etc from any thing im involved in (rvr, mlraids/other raids, guilds, alliance cooperations etc). I will also try to add on those peoples fights as much as possible as well as mainly just trying to get them to leave the realm just coz we dont really need people like that...disrupting the cooperation within the realm just for greed...and not understanding what is wrong with it...

/Charmangle

There you go. Not that hard to fathom is it? And way to go on the personal insults! I'll refrain from making personal insults to you, because your flame attempt was worth a laugh.


-edit: And please reply to Thorwyn, because you have a knack to just reply to the posts you want to reply to, not always to the ones that deserve a reply.

 

[charmangle]

There you go. Not that hard to fathom is it? And way to go on the personal insults! I'll refrain from making personal insults to you, because your flame attempt was worth a laugh.


-edit: And please reply to Thorwyn, because you have a knack to just reply to the posts you want to reply to, not always to the ones that deserve a reply.

I will also try to add on those peoples fights as much as possible as well as mainly just trying to get them to leave the realm just coz we dont really need people like that...

Sigh have you read the post ? Have you even tried to understand it ?
What is that quote referring to ?

Before making a statement like that try reading the entire post...to make it simple for you:

I will use the same playing style as the player that affected me badly did. Hence show no respect for what they think is fun in the game as long as its within the CoC. Which was the argument I was answering.

It has nothing to do with harassing people. So where did you get that from ? You just made it up for the fun of it ?

I will make hard personal insults when someone so blatantly just lie about a post without putting it into context...

I might have been abit harsh but I only respond in kind. I dont like it when people make something into their own interpretation of it, if you had said that it was your interpretation of the post I wouldnt have gone off at you. But you didnt you just wrote that I would like to harass people, so you kinda deserved the insults.

/Charmangle

ps. Eh...I answere all posts I can and have time to...I try to let atleast someone reply inbetween so im not just arguing with myself here! But sure if you want me to answere that person I will, just hang on a sec...ds

 

[Aarween]

I will split up this quote in 3 so my answer to it doesn't get too confusing

You are right but you are missing my point (btw this is how an argument should be presented! Nice to read and it makes for a good discussion contrary to the other message)

The point here is:

If you treat someone else badly others will treat you badly back. As you much correctly state its up to each player him/herself to do as he whishes here as long as its not in breach of the CoC. But what you are missing is that if its okay for one to "steal" a kill then its okay for 10 others to kick him from any raids they are organizing etc...and ban them from their guild or refuse to help when that player is joining in etc...

yes ofc you can ban ppl from guilds/raids/groups/alliances/whatever... reason beeing "stealing" a mob or something like that, but the reason for banning them could just as well be not liking their nickname, for beeing in the wrong guild or even the simpliest reason of all time... No reason at all... Right or wrong? For the CoC, right... For me, wrong... For you? I don't know, it's up to you...

That can only end in a realm/game that is played by alot of individuals that only whishes to make it harder for their realm mates instead of helping them out.

But if you ban everyone that by your book does something wrong from everywhere you have the power to ban them will make the oposite? It's like putting out the fire with gasoline... What will this persons friend do when he gets banned from raids etc? He will tell all of his friends what you have done and then you get it back 10 times or what you said before...

So in conclusion...the kind of behaviour you are agumenting for "each does as he wants" in situations that we all need arent really fair will only lead to that person beeing treated even worse back...since all will "do as he wants".

/Charmangle

I don't say that they should do as they want, I say that they should do what they feels right... yes you can "punish" someone for doing something that is wrong in your book but is that fair? then he can punish you for punishing you etc...

If you write unwritten rules, then they are unwritten, and because of that they aren't really a rule... more like a recomendation from the writer... and just because some people thinks one thing it doesn't mean everyone else have to follow... for example I could make up an unwritten rule that nicknames on forums can't start with the letter C so you have to make an new account or something


the only thing I think is fair is not to make up these rules since no one is obigated to follow them...

 

[charmangle]

Nice arguments, I missed this post! My bad...

Talking about community and courtesy and fair play and stuff...
If someone with no life and tons of free time to spare is camping an artifact for 10+ hours and claiming a right to get the arti just because he´s been sitting there all day long, would you conisder that "fair" to a casual player, who´s lust logging on every other night for 2-3 hours? Those people would never be able to get their artifacts.
If camping the arti gives you a right to get the encounter/arti, then each and every artifact in game will be completely cut off by a bunch of JimmiPowerGamers (who then proceed to sell their crap on Ebay for RL cash). This "unwritten rule" (apart from the fact that the tone of this thread and the "consequences" are a pretty ridiculous display of arrogance and overinflated ego) and has every potential to backlash BIG times and create the exact opposite of the initial intention.

Here are the answeres to these thoughts though.

Well you have to ask yourself what is best of two bad things for casual players.

If you are a casual player who cant logon for that long most of the times and we go by your way you will NEVER get ANY artifacts at all. Why ? Because there will stand a summsm at every encounter and just do it the second it pops and as you casual player im pretty sure you havent created a bb with fop etc + summsm just for farming.

But if you go with decency and respect for your fellow realmmates atleast if you find the artifact uncamped you will get it since your fellow realm mates will allow you to gather your friends without steamrolling you with their summsms.

Your arguments are comming from never have tried the decency thing. On prydwen we have had this concensus for a year or so and it works very well. And it creates a realm with strong feelings of togetherness since all the people try to see eachother as friends. Not just annonymous chars in a game.

Its alot easier for casual players to get encounters/artifacts when people actually respect that it might take them a little time to get together the few people they know to help them out.

The "I see it its mine" mentality only benefits hardcore rvr guilds basically.

/Charmangle

 

[Sye]

why argue with someone online? Are you really that bothered about what another person miles away thinks about your opinions? You dont need to proove ur better than the next person and continue arguing until you think you've won!

Waste of time imo

 

[charmangle]

In one word Yes!

I will split up this quote in 3 so my answer to it doesn't get too confusing




yes ofc you can ban ppl from guilds/raids/groups/alliances/whatever... reason beeing "stealing" a mob or something like that, but the reason for banning them could just as well be not liking their nickname, for beeing in the wrong guild or even the simpliest reason of all time... No reason at all... Right or wrong? For the CoC, right... For me, wrong... For you? I don't know, it's up to you...



But if you ban everyone that by your book does something wrong from everywhere you have the power to ban them will make the oposite? It's like putting out the fire with gasoline... What will this persons friend do when he gets banned from raids etc? He will tell all of his friends what you have done and then you get it back 10 times or what you said before...




I don't say that they should do as they want, I say that they should do what they feels right... yes you can "punish" someone for doing something that is wrong in your book but is that fair? then he can punish you for punishing you etc...

If you write unwritten rules, then they are unwritten, and because of that they aren't really a rule... more like a recomendation from the writer... and just because some people thinks one thing it doesn't mean everyone else have to follow... for example I could make up an unwritten rule that nicknames on forums can't start with the letter C so you have to make an new account or something


the only thing I think is fair is not to make up these rules since no one is obigated to follow them...

Well isnt the same thing true for all instances of life ?

What I mean is still all people have the right the game as they feel is right for them. Since that is the case isnt it good if there is a thought out there that atleast makes us think twice before going off and ruining the game for others.

And at last:
Lets say your very best friend in the world has been camping Danos for 10 hours straight. You hear his voice over the phone blurry tired and annoyed at the arti encounter and it doesnt pop. He keeps complaining over that its his last arti in his rvr template etc etc.

An hour later you arrive at Danos with a couple of your game friends and you see him still standing there and the encounter just popped. So ofc true to your arguments as you are you just steamroll the artifact and lotto it with your game friends and tells your real life friend to sod off because he should have gotten 10 other friends there to do it for him faster.

Can you honestly say that this is what you would do ?

What would you do ?

Im pretty sure that 99.9 % will answere Ill help my friend out ofc. So what is so wrong with thinking that way all the time ?

/Charmangle

 

[vavires]

NONE have that power. But there are MANY that have the power to ruin all these raids if they want to. How does empty ML10 sounds??
If you piss off enough ppl this will backfire BIGTIME. You do not want to piss of the wrong ppl little brother (Pryd). Excal will "own" ya
None have the power to tell what ppl should or shouldn't do in this game (Except the GMs etc. ofc).

if u say it like this.

pryd has done good without you excal. so why would i care with ure sentence?

 

[Glenmorangie]

Sigh have you read the post ? Have you even tried to understand it ?
What is that quote referring to ?

Before making a statement like that try reading the entire post...to make it simple for you:

I will use the same playing style as the player that affected me badly did. Hence show no respect for what they think is fun in the game as long as its within the CoC. Which was the argument I was answering.

It has nothing to do with harassing people. So where did you get that from ? You just made it up for the fun of it ?

I will make hard personal insults when someone so blatantly just lie about a post without putting it into context...

I might have been abit harsh but I only respond in kind. I dont like it when people make something into their own interpretation of it, if you had said that it was your interpretation of the post I wouldnt have gone off at you. But you didnt you just wrote that I would like to harass people, so you kinda deserved the insults.

/Charmangle

ps. Eh...I answere all posts I can and have time to...I try to let atleast someone reply inbetween so im not just arguing with myself here! But sure if you want me to answere that person I will, just hang on a sec...ds

You asked for the post where you said you would harrass people, I gave it. If you think that's solely my interpretation, you lack the capabilities to read and comprehend simple text.

 

[vavires]

Talking about community and courtesy and fair play and stuff...
If someone with no life and tons of free time to spare is camping an artifact for 10+ hours and claiming a right to get the arti just because he´s been sitting there all day long, would you conisder that "fair" to a casual player, who´s lust logging on every other night for 2-3 hours? Those people would never be able to get their artifacts.
If camping the arti gives you a right to get the encounter/arti, then each and every artifact in game will be completely cut off by a bunch of JimmiPowerGamers (who then proceed to sell their crap on Ebay for RL cash). This "unwritten rule" (apart from the fact that the tone of this thread and the "consequences" are a pretty ridiculous display of arrogance and overinflated ego) and has every potential to backlash BIG times and create the exact opposite of the initial intention.

u keep saying ppl who only log in 2-3h a day
im on vacation now, but i got a life to, and i work and i got my own family. Still i have gotten plenty of arties, if i can do it why cant no1 else?
and again, learn to know me before speaking of my ego.

 

[ViPeOuT]

What we have been arguing about is this and only this:
An active player is camping an artifact. You ask him politly if he is going to do it. Then you give him 15 minutes to gather his friends if he hasnt you just tell him that he has had a long time to get ready now but he can join you for credit if he wants to. And you go off and do it.

No that wasn't really the original argument... not until recently the "15min limit" has been brought up which I tried to give an argument for why it was needed. Which kinda shows that you missed the entire point of that post.
Point is that some people don't have the time to stand around all day to wait for others to MABE get their group together.

We are not talking about bots or players who take an hour to get their group together.

Unfortunally for you it's not only your opinions that count in this world. Some have posted about prior experiences with people using bots and still claiming that the artifacts is/was theirs. The thread has evolved into a more global "what is artifact stealing and what is not?" thread...

However you can't say that you're not talking about players who take an hour to get their group together since that's nothing you can know before happends. An active player saying that is group is inc can still take a very long time to get the group together... even though you're saying I'm talking about something completely different I'm actually saying that there has to be a limit for how long you have to wait... otherwise you might as well just give up on that artifact and leave that solo player be even if he can't get a group together since people can't be arsed to stand around to wait and see if he eventually does. Point is: I agree on a set time limit like 10-15min. Also if you reach an encounter which is already up I bet if that player really is active he has already shouted in /gu or whatever for help and have already had alot of time to gather his group.

1 i dont think ppl would do that, they would ask u to join or if he does, u wait and c if there are really ppl inc, the u can still claim it

I even wrote it in BOLD so you wouldn't miss it... I said IN THEORY which just shows that there are flaws in this type of reasoning.

Wait and see if there are really ppl inc... well that's the point. How long are you going to wait before you can have a go at the encounter? 10-15-30-60min? I kinda doubt that anyone camping an artifact wouldn't say that he has people inc if another group comes up and asks about it.

 

[charmangle]

Lol...

You asked for the post where you said you would harrass people, I gave it. If you think that's solely my interpretation, you lack the capabilities to read and comprehend simple text.

So you are saying that: Steamrolling artifacts isnt harassment, but adding on someones rvr fight is ?

When you say that someone has said something please make sure they have really said that and that it just isnt your own warped sick imagination.

/Charmangle

ps. Or was the last post just a desperate try to get something pointless out there after I actually followed your wish to answere the other guys post ? Ds

 

[Skirne]

Char, you're off. We are not talking about ninjaing every single arti encounter, we are talking of belonging to a guild containing a once errant player.

Some people need to concentrate more on playing daoc and less on whining on fh.

 

[vavires]

No that wasn't really the original argument... not until recently the "15min limit" has been brought up which I tried to give an argument for why it was needed. Which kinda shows that you missed the entire point of that post.
Point is that some people don't have the time to stand around all day to wait for others to MABE get their group together.


Unfortunally for you it's not only your opinions that count in this world. Some have posted about prior experiences with people using bots and still claiming that the artifacts is/was theirs. The thread has evolved into a more global "what is artifact stealing and what is not?" thread...

However you can't say that you're not talking about players who take an hour to get their group together since that's nothing you can know before happends. An active player saying that is group is inc can still take a very long time to get the group together... even though you're saying I'm talking about something completely different I'm actually saying that there has to be a limit for how long you have to wait... otherwise you might as well just give up on that artifact and leave that solo player be even if he can't get a group together since people can't be arsed to stand around to wait and see if he eventually does. Point is: I agree on a set time limit like 10-15min. Also if you reach an encounter which is already up I bet if that player really is active he has already shouted in /gu or whatever for help and have already had alot of time to gather his group.



I even wrote it in BOLD so you wouldn't miss it... I said IN THEORY which just shows that there are flaws in this type of reasoning.

Wait and see if there are really ppl inc... well that's the point. How long are you going to wait before you can have a go at the encounter? 10-15-30-60min? I kinda doubt that anyone camping an artifact wouldn't say that he has people inc if another group comes up and asks about it.

u can use common sense can u?
u dont have to overdo it by waiting so long...

 

[charmangle]

Eh...

No that wasn't really the original argument... not until recently the "15min limit" has been brought up which I tried to give an argument for why it was needed. Which kinda shows that you missed the entire point of that post.
Point is that some people don't have the time to stand around all day to wait for others to MABE get their group together.

Unfortunally for you it's not only your opinions that count in this world. Some have posted about prior experiences with people using bots and still claiming that the artifacts is/was theirs. The thread has evolved into a more global "what is artifact stealing and what is not?" thread...

However you can't say that you're not talking about players who take an hour to get their group together since that's nothing you can know before happends. An active player saying that is group is inc can still take a very long time to get the group together... even though you're saying I'm talking about something completely different I'm actually saying that there has to be a limit for how long you have to wait... otherwise you might as well just give up on that artifact and leave that solo player be even if he can't get a group together since people can't be arsed to stand around to wait and see if he eventually does. Point is: I agree on a set time limit like 10-15min. Also if you reach an encounter which is already up I bet if that player really is active he has already shouted in /gu or whatever for help and have already had alot of time to gather his group.

Sigh...I posted a quote from the first post in the thread and you still havent read it and you still keep arguing about things that wasnt in the first post.

Id suggest that you read the first page again. And concentrate on the first post. Thats what we are discussing...not my opinions or anyone elses opinions in the the later posts.

Ill give you a short of the first post and NO its not my opinions this time either:

You arrive at an encounter, it is camped, you ask the player standing there and IF he answeres you give him 10 minutes to get his friends there.

If he doesnt answere or his friends doesnt show up within the 10 minutes or so (just use your own judgment) just go ahead and take the artifact...

This is all this thread is about, nothing more and nothing less. Its not about bots, 1 hour getting people or people not having time to wait 10 minutes out of respect for your realm mates just because you are artigreedy.

/Charmangle