A Unwritten Rule.

[Skirne]

Mythic created daoc.

People trying to make new rules are communists. We all know what happens to communists, so sit back, relax and try to reach the moon before them.

 

[charmangle]

Problem understanding simple concepts...

And there is where it ends



Someone who camps an artifact for 10 hours is in what way a asset to the midgard community? In what way he tributes?



What is greed? camping an arti for cash? and who are you? the elected president of DAOC who can make new rules without parlement etc?
I thought GOA created this world and therefor entitled to make the rules

regards

JW

Sadly this post is a classic example of a person who has obvious problems understanding simple concepts.

You say: Im allowed to do what ever I want as long as it doesnt go against the CoC. But you cant grasp that other people will, if you choose to abuse other people as long as it is within the CoC, return the favour. And often 10 fold. Banning you from raids are withion the CoC, add on your fights are within the CoC, basically removing you from the part of the game that I like to play is within the CoC. Meaning that I just argue as you do...if you choose to treat others badly you will be treated badly back 10 fold.

This is not a hard concept to understand. So dont come complaining about the concequenses of your own actions vs others.

/Charmangle

ps. Your type of mudslinging/name calling way of arguing is just your ignorance shining through...ds.

 

[Aarween]

Sadly this post is a classic example of a person who has obvious problems understanding simple concepts.

You say: Im allowed to do what ever I want as long as it doesnt go against the CoC. But you cant grasp that other people will, if you choose to abuse other people as long as it is within the CoC, return the favour. And often 10 fold. Banning you from raids are withion the CoC, add on your fights are within the CoC, basically removing you from the part of the game that I like to play is within the CoC. Meaning that I just argue as you do...if you choose to treat others badly you will be treated badly back 10 fold.

This is not a hard concept to understand. So dont come complaining about the concequenses of your own actions vs others.

/Charmangle

ps. Your type of mudslinging/name calling way of arguing is just your ignorance shining through...ds.

I think you're missing his point

He says something about what greed is... We got all diffrent values in our lives and so goes for how we play this game...

If person A think it's ok to kill a artifact mob someone has been "camping" for 10 hours... And Person B thinks it's not ok... then who is right? is the "Prydwen way" more right then the "Excalibur way"?

I think it's up to every man for himself to decide what they think is the best way for them to do. As I can't force my way of doing on to you, you can't force your way of doing things on me

If I saw an encounter that I needed and someone camping it waiting for his homies, I would personal not kill that mob... However if I camped a mob for 10 hours and someone killed it right infront of my nose then I wouldn't go nuts about him/her killing it... It was his/her decision in what way of dealing with things... I can't make rules, nor can anyone else... except goa ofc

 

[vavires]

Sadly this post is a classic example of a person who has obvious problems understanding simple concepts.

You say: Im allowed to do what ever I want as long as it doesnt go against the CoC. But you cant grasp that other people will, if you choose to abuse other people as long as it is within the CoC, return the favour. And often 10 fold. Banning you from raids are withion the CoC, add on your fights are within the CoC, basically removing you from the part of the game that I like to play is within the CoC. Meaning that I just argue as you do...if you choose to treat others badly you will be treated badly back 10 fold.

This is not a hard concept to understand. So dont come complaining about the concequenses of your own actions vs others.

/Charmangle

ps. Your type of mudslinging/name calling way of arguing is just your ignorance shining through...ds.

owned

 

[charmangle]

Ofc it is...and...

You are right but you are missing my point (btw this is how an argument should be presented! Nice to read and it makes for a good discussion contrary to the other message)

The point here is:

If you treat someone else badly others will treat you badly back. As you much correctly state its up to each player him/herself to do as he whishes here as long as its not in breach of the CoC. But what you are missing is that if its okay for one to "steal" a kill then its okay for 10 others to kick him from any raids they are organizing etc...and ban them from their guild or refuse to help when that player is joining in etc...

That can only end in a realm/game that is played by alot of individuals that only whishes to make it harder for their realm mates instead of helping them out.

So in conclusion...the kind of behaviour you are agumenting for "each does as he wants" in situations that we all need arent really fair will only lead to that person beeing treated even worse back...since all will "do as he wants".

/Charmangle

 

[ViPeOuT]

you are dealing with real life people here and they and their friends and their friends in turn will dispise your behaviour if you just run in and kill a mob they have been waiting for for 10 hours or so...

It's difference between someone actually being there waiting for the encounter to pop for 10 hours or if someone left a bot there while being AFK.
With this "rule" it's in theory possible to enforce it so that you can claim an artifact 24/7 if you can keep a character logged in at the encounter at all times. Now tell me in what way that is respect for your fellow players...

This rule of yours benefits those with too much time on their hands and/or the posibility logging a bot even if they're doing something else.

Sure if there is a group gathering at the encounter you can be nice enough to let them do it or even help for the chance to roll or just to get the encounter... but letting 100 "CampBotThirtyseven" lock all the encounters just because they have the means AFK-camp all day is just plain silly.

 

[Calo]

Sadly this post is a classic example of a person who has obvious problems understanding simple concepts.

You say: Im allowed to do what ever I want as long as it doesnt go against the CoC. But you cant grasp that other people will, if you choose to abuse other people as long as it is within the CoC, return the favour. And often 10 fold. Banning you from raids are withion the CoC, add on your fights are within the CoC, basically removing you from the part of the game that I like to play is within the CoC. Meaning that I just argue as you do...if you choose to treat others badly you will be treated badly back 10 fold.

This is not a hard concept to understand. So dont come complaining about the concequenses of your own actions vs others.

/Charmangle

ps. Your type of mudslinging/name calling way of arguing is just your ignorance shining through...ds.

So.. we have to be scared of you because you will add on us(oh no,the horror) and you will ban us from raids(while there are 10others where we are more then welcome on)?

yep, good way to scare people away.

 

[vavires]

It's difference between someone actually being there waiting for the encounter to pop for 10 hours or if someone left a bot there while being AFK.
With this "rule" it's in theory possible to enforce it so that you can claim an artifact 24/7 if you can keep a character logged in at the encounter at all times. Now tell me in what way that is respect for your fellow players...

This rule of yours benefits those with too much time on their hands and/or the posibility logging a bot even if they're doing something else.

Sure if there is a group gathering at the encounter you can be nice enough to let them do it or even help for the chance to roll or just to get the encounter... but letting 100 "CampBotThirtyseven" lock all the encounters just because they have the means AFK-camp all day is just plain silly.

Have u read my intial post?

 

[old.windforce]

Sadly this post is a classic example of a person who has obvious problems understanding simple concepts.

You say: Im allowed to do what ever I want as long as it doesnt go against the CoC. But you cant grasp that other people will, if you choose to abuse other people as long as it is within the CoC, return the favour. And often 10 fold. Banning you from raids are withion the CoC, add on your fights are within the CoC, basically removing you from the part of the game that I like to play is within the CoC. Meaning that I just argue as you do...if you choose to treat others badly you will be treated badly back 10 fold.

This is not a hard concept to understand. So dont come complaining about the concequenses of your own actions vs others.

/Charmangle

ps. Your type of mudslinging/name calling way of arguing is just your ignorance shining through...ds.

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Lets put this in perspective: I don't agree with you and i therefore fail to grasp simple concepts. translated that means you are simple? or i don't agree with simple?

Anyway enough putting words in my mouth. As Vippe says camping artifacts with articampbot39kkthxbbunQQb is perfectly fine with me. I will respect that since that is the local folklore of good manners (as i said before, how is that for grasping simple concepts?)

I didn't see any mudslinging by the way, i just ask the basic questions everyone should do against self proclaimed autority.

 

[charmangle]

Talk about clueless...lol...

So.. we have to be scared of you because you will add on us(oh no,the horror) and you will ban us from raids(while there are 10others where we are more then welcome on)?

yep, good way to scare people away.

Talk about beeing clueless mate...

Use your eyes, read the posts again, then use your brain...and try to understand what the whole discussion is about...then open your mouth...I promise you its gonna be a revalation for you!

/Charmangle

ps. Just to help you get started in your new endevour of actually understanding what people are talking about around you here is a small explenation:

We are talking about useing your freedom in a respectful way towards other players...IF someone chooses to use that freedom to play in a way that doesnt take into consideration how other people feel/react will be the target of the same behaviour in other instances in the game. FOR EXAMPLE: Added one by everyone in the realm, Kicked from all raids that are lead by people who do not feel their behaviour have made the eligable for joining etc etc the list goes on.

Im pretty sure that if you really apply your self you can get that concept through that thick head of yours...well atleast I hope you have that kind of thinking capability!

/Charmangle

 

[vavires]

So.. we have to be scared of you because you will add on us(oh no,the horror) and you will ban us from raids(while there are 10others where we are more then welcome on)?

yep, good way to scare people away.

Its not that simple, as he sais His friend, his friends friends ect...
Well to be childish, hes my friend, Bluesky ismy friend and supports me fully state din his message. Bluesky has a lot of friends... maybe u should be.

 

[charmangle]

My apologies!

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Lets put this in perspective: I don't agree with you and i therefore fail to grasp simple concepts. translated that means you are simple? or i don't agree with simple?

Anyway enough putting words in my mouth. As Vippe says camping artifacts with articampbot39kkthxbbunQQb is perfectly fine with me. I will respect that since that is the local folklore of good manners (as i said before, how is that for grasping simple concepts?)

I didn't see any mudslinging by the way, i just ask the basic questions everyone should do against self proclaimed autority.

I just reread your post and have to apologize. It was actually a nicely written post with decent arguments...I got it mixed up with another post! Thats an example of the difference between paying attention when reading and not!

Anyway the argument still stands though:
There is no self proclaimed authority as you put it...

Original poster says:
I will react in this way if people steal artifacts from people NOT using afk bots for camping.

Response from some (mainly excal people):
This is a free game and as long as its not in contradiction with CoC Ill do what ever I want.

Respeons from me:
Well if you think its okay to treat others badly as long as you are within the CoC without them and their friends etc will treat you badly back then you are not realistic.

Now tell me where is the self proclaimed authority there ?

Its easy: Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself.

Hmm...think there is a rather famous book somewhere who came up with that concept...not to shabby!

/Charmangle

 

[Skirne]

"Well if you think its okay to treat others badly as long as you are within the CoC without them and their friends etc will treat you badly back then you are not realistic."

It doesent have to be within the CoC, it is okay to cheat as long as you do not get caught. Crystal titan by night and in house crafting. smile

"Its easy: Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself."

Do unto others before they do unto you.

 

[Bahumat]

This post is interesting, if you think "fuck vavi i'll do what i want when i want" he can stop people from doing raids, i have never heard of you or bluesky so i dont know how much potential power you have. Could you make their lives harder? do you get involved with alot of ml raids/cata raids thus the ability of preventing people from coming?

Then their's the flip side, if someone is camping an arte i think its fair to ask them about it, do they have ppl inc, are they afk. To be fair the 10 minute rule is a bit long, i think you should give someone 5 minutes, if they reply they have a further 15 minutes to get people there for the encounter. If they dont appear to have anyone inc you can claim the arte and he can leech credit.

Now here's the rub, Does Bluesky and Vavi have enough manpower to make your lives harder? if yes then im afraid we have to bite the bullet and follow his rules, if he's a random guy, one of many who can lead big raids you can say "go fuck yourself".

This whole post basically lies on the above statement (untill the patch), im keen to see if they have enough power to make people follow their idea.

p.s. dont use my thread to insult me or my thoughts, its merely an observation and i have in NO WAY told you what choice i would make.

 

[charmangle]

A well thought through and interresting post... however...

This post is interesting, if you think "fuck vavi i'll do what i want when i want" he can stop people from doing raids, i have never heard of you or bluesky so i dont know how much potential power you have. Could you make their lives harder? do you get involved with alot of ml raids/cata raids thus the ability of preventing people from coming?

Then their's the flip side, if someone is camping an arte i think its fair to ask them about it, do they have ppl inc, are they afk. To be fair the 10 minute rule is a bit long, i think you should give someone 5 minutes, if they reply they have a further 15 minutes to get people there for the encounter. If they dont appear to have anyone inc you can claim the arte and he can leech credit.

Now here's the rub, Does Bluesky and Vavi have enough manpower to make your lives harder? if yes then im afraid we have to bite the bullet and follow his rules, if he's a random guy, one of many who can lead big raids you can say "go fuck yourself".

This whole post basically lies on the above statement (untill the patch), im keen to see if they have enough power to make people follow their idea.

p.s. dont use my thread to insult me or my thoughts, its merely an observation and i have in NO WAY told you what choice i would make.

Well a nice post with well thought through comments...

However...I still withhold that its not about the people writing in this thread...its more about all the players in the game...

To make it more clear Ill be blunt. (i apologize in advance if this offends someone its not meant as such. Im overstating things to make them more clear. Ofc not all are the same there might not even be a majority etc)

Basically on prydwen its been a 99.9 % concensus that when you arrive at an artifact/xp spot and there already are a person/persons there, you politly ask if that person is going to do/use it if he/she is then you go away for 15 mins to 30 mins or so...after which you return and if he/she hasnt done it you still ask if its okay that you do it with your friends.

Now this is, im pretty sure we can agree on, a respectful way to treat your fellow middies. And it has made Prydwen/Mid a very solidated group of players.

My (highly opionated and nonfact based) belief is that the "steal" spot/encounter mentality has reigned on Mid/excal with the mindset: "If all do it I can too".

Now there has been some rather grave incidents between these different views over the servers. This is bound to create oposition from the prydwen community. And that oposition will most likly take effect as those people on prydwen that host raids will just exclude entire guilds or even all excal people from the raids/events/rvr/etc. This is not meant as a punishment or a way to make others do as you wish, but instead a way to choose with what kind of people you would like to spend your time and with whom you wouldnt. So as you see its not 1 or 3 people we are talking about here...its a community...so discussing the power of a singular individual becomes irrelevent.

This kind of clash can only lead to bad relations in the realm and to nothing good at all.

Im still having a hard time understanding why anyone would want to play on a server with the (in my mind and that is by no means meant to be the truth) excal mentality. But then again I cant understand why some people rob others either. Anyhow I would still like to point out to those argumenting for a "I do as I want"-mentality, that this kind of behaviour will only in the long run remove alot of the fun of the game from all of us you included.

/Charmangle

 

[Frust]

CoC this and CoC that. In every day life we have laws, but is it only the law that makes you do things, or rather, not to do things? I think not. Society shapes us into the people we are, when we get frowned upon we usualy change our behaviour or get left out in the cold.

The problem here is not one person, group or guild that has joined another society/server. Its a cluster between two "worlds". Guess time will tell what "laws" will be followed.

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Gotta stand with Vav and Blue here.

and banning a whole guild for arti-stealing is in my opinion not harsh. If someone in reduco were an arti-stealer and I got confronted by the person who got the arti stolen from, or by his GM (with screenshots) I would have a very good talk with the person and possibly even boot him if it's a hopeless case. The name and reputation of the guild gets damaged by those kinds of persons and I don't want them in.

 

[vavires]

We'll c

Now here's the rub, Does Bluesky and Vavi have enough manpower to make your lives harder? if yes then im afraid we have to bite the bullet and follow his rules, if he's a random guy, one of many who can lead big raids you can say "go fuck yourself".

Time will tell won't it

 

[Phoebee-v-]

Gotta stand with Vav and Blue here.

and banning a whole guild for arti-stealing is in my opinion not harsh. If someone in reduco were an arti-stealer and I got confronted by the person who got the arti stolen from, or by his GM (with screenshots) I would have a very good talk with the person and possibly even boot him if it's a hopeless case. The name and reputation of the guild gets damaged by those kinds of persons and I don't want them in.

Well I agree if someone runs up and steal a arti after it drops but not fight the mobs. But over all I think this "unwritten" rule is crazy.

 

[Calo]

Its not that simple, as he sais His friend, his friends friends ect...
Well to be childish, hes my friend, Bluesky ismy friend and supports me fully state din his message. Bluesky has a lot of friends... maybe u should be.

So it is true that you guys try to scare off ppl with banning them from raids?

And where did charmangel think all excal ppl think like that? the majority of our server is very kind. I'v done many arti's and tbh, iv never had anyone stealing anything from me, so where did you get the idea of that?
And sure, if someone is camping an arti with his main, its fine, but putting a fucking bot next to it... nope.

 

[Bahumat]

So as you see its not 1 or 3 people we are talking about here...its a community...so discussing the power of a singular individual becomes irrelevent.

sorry maybe i never explained it well enough, alot of people can simply laugh at what your trying to achieve and carry on as they normally would. If some of the more PVE mass raid organised players start shutting doors on people, it will make them listen.

sometimes for people to listen they need to know the consequences of their actions...Can vavi and bluesky really cause enough ppl to listen? if they could stop you coming on their raids then is that a problem? do those 2 players organise most of the server stuff?

its all about power and i disagree about "a singular individual becomes irrelevent" if i said to you "log out daoc or i'll swear at you" you would laugh. However if i held a gun to you head and asked you to log out....you would.

its one extreme to another but the fact is for someone to listen their has to be consequences, the gun is simply a demonstration of the power.

I suppose my main question is. 'Does those 2 players have enough fingers in enough pies to cause one a problem'

 

[Bahumat]

So it is true that you guys try to scare off ppl with banning them from raids?

And where did charmangel think all excal ppl think like that? the majority of our server is very kind. I'v done many arti's and tbh, iv never had anyone stealing anything from me, so where did you get the idea of that?
And sure, if someone is camping an arti with his main, its fine, but putting a fucking bot next to it... nope.

I have to agree with you here, a bot who cant use the item (usual /20 char called (artewatcher e.g.) should not be able to claim they are camping it.

If you want something and you're prepared to camp it, then you should do so with your main, or at least the character that needs it.

Someone mentioned RL queues earlier, imagine if you saw some random guy come up and queue for concert tickets, then he puts a cardboard cutout of himself in the queue, walks off into the local pub and an hour later returns, then stands where the cutout is...ofc in this example some poor sod has kept moving it forward for him.

 

[vavires]

So it is true that you guys try to scare off ppl with banning them from raids?

And where did charmangel think all excal ppl think like that? the majority of our server is very kind. I'v done many arti's and tbh, iv never had anyone stealing anything from me, so where did you get the idea of that?
And sure, if someone is camping an arti with his main, its fine, but putting a fucking bot next to it... nope.

I dont think he means every1 on excal, from what i read he means that this isseu happened mostly with excal ppl, and that excal ppl here on the threat itself are saying they dont care about.

And scare of? in a way maybe...
But pll do what they want dont they?

 

[vavires]

sorry maybe i never explained it well enough, alot of people can simply laugh at what your trying to achieve and carry on as they normally would. If some of the more PVE mass raid organised players start shutting doors on people, it will make them listen.

sometimes for people to listen they need to know the consequences of their actions...Can vavi and bluesky really cause enough ppl to listen? if they could stop you coming on their raids then is that a problem? do those 2 players organise most of the server stuff?

its all about power and i disagree about "a singular individual becomes irrelevent" if i said to you "log out daoc or i'll swear at you" you would laugh. However if i held a gun to you head and asked you to log out....you would.

its one extreme to another but the fact is for someone to listen their has to be consequences, the gun is simply a demonstration of the power.

I suppose my main question is. 'Does those 2 players have enough fingers in enough pies to cause one a problem'

U keep naming us two, but..
I've spoken with my Gm and he supports me and will do the same with his raids(BoZ) from what i heard Zedenk also support this so im afraid its not just us two.

 

[vavires]

I have to agree with you here, a bot who cant use the item (usual /20 char called (artewatcher e.g.) should not be able to claim they are camping it.

If you want something and you're prepared to camp it, then you should do so with your main, or at least the character that needs it.

Someone mentioned RL queues earlier, imagine if you saw some random guy come up and queue for concert tickets, then he puts a cardboard cutout of himself in the queue, walks off into the local pub and an hour later returns, then stands where the cutout is...ofc in this example some poor sod has kept moving it forward for him.

Can i add again that i mentioned this is the primary post? the camper needs to be active, hence why he needs to answer the persons asking him to join ect...

 

[Herjulf]

but letting 100 "CampBotThirtyseven" lock all the encounters just because they have the means AFK-camp all day is just plain silly.

Yup, silly.
Also is the flaw in the nazi ruleset trying to be forced on the community.

Dont camp an encounter unless able to do it.
Its up to the one camping the encounter to have the ppl needed if it pops.

If i run around checking ancounters and my posse are able to relog+run from wherever they are. And we finish enc. We deserve it more.
I never seen danos walk around with a

"dont hit me,
i am owned by mr/mrs"
icampdayandnight giveme1hourtogetmypeoplehere" sign.

Its as easy as that.
There is no justice in the nazi ruleset trying to be forced here.
If it means me or any1 else being banned, we simply make our own raids. Since 90% prolly dont support that crap it shouldnt be any probs.

There should ofc be some kind of flexibility and co respect as with everything.

I wont hesitate one second if i see a campbot or solo char camping an artifact.

However, if i am at danos for example. That person have some ppl there and have started peeling the adds. Then they have started.
And ofc should be able if the right ppl to complete the encounter.

Its a matter of common sence to me where the line is drawn.
Blue and vav should see the immense stupidity in campbots/solo ppl camping having priority over ppl actually being able to complete an encounter.

If mr campalot idles there... no.

The needs of the many...

 

[vavires]

Yup, silly.
Also is the flaw in the nazi ruleset trying to be forced on the community.

Dont camp an encounter unless able to do it.
Its up to the one camping the encounter to have the ppl needed if it pops.

If i run around checking ancounters and my posse are able to relog+run from wherever they are. And we finish enc. We deserve it more.
I never seen danos walk around with a

"dont hit me,
i am owned by mr/mrs"
icampdayandnight giveme1hourtogetmypeoplehere" sign.

Its as easy as that.
There is no justice in the nazi ruleset trying to be forced here.
If it means me or any1 else being banned, we simply make our own raids. Since 90% prolly dont support that crap it shouldnt be any probs.

There should ofc be some kind of flexibility and co respect as with everything.

I wont hesitate one second if i see a campbot or solo char camping an artifact.

However, if i am at danos for example. That person have some ppl there and have started peeling the adds. Then they have started.
And ofc should be able if the right ppl to complete the encounter.

Its a matter of common sence to me where the line is drawn.
Blue and vav should see the immense stupidity in campbots/solo ppl camping having priority over ppl actually being able to complete an encounter.

If mr campalot idles there... no.

The needs of the many...

Again i never spoke of campbots, u read things that arent written.
Secondly, no1 has in advantage so many ppl ready ppl log in and off during the day constantly, and u are not gone yell over AS or guild come join me at X but its not spawned yet. Ppl wont show up for that

 

[charmangle]

Apparent problems reading posts...

Some people here have had horrible problems actually reading the posts. I have a suggestion to the last couple of commenters...reread the entire thread, use your (hopefully) godgiven ability to actually understand what is written...yes thats those funny letters combining into words...that actually mean something.

Here are some examples of what you need to reread:

1. Bots
Why do morons keep arguing about bots camping. If you know you have named a bot in your post you know you need to reread the entire thread so start doing it.

Bots has never been on discussion here. The first post CLEARLY state that its active chars camping. So stop freaking using bots as your only example. You cant be for real if thats the only rediculous argument you can come up with ?

2. Hint towards policeing.
This kind of arguing is just a mudslinging no brain, illiterate moronic responce to a discussion. So if you have mentioned any of it you know that you need to reread the posts again.

No one is talking about any kind of rules or enforcement. Thats your own halfwit enterpretation. This kind of argument is (apparently) only to be used by big nations when they need to trick their own people into doing stupid things. Out of the blue referring to historical dictators to justify bombing away entire countries etc.

Its simple if you steal things from someone, that someone will tell his friends about you, that friend will tell all his friends and so on and so on. And ALL those people will CHOOSE not to play the game with YOU. This means not having you on their raids, in their group, guild, alliance or generally in their vincinity. This is simple human nature. Who wants a person without basic understanding of others feelings to hang around them ?

Or do you want to try and convince me that if someone beats you up, youll just go back to them and say: "Please Sir can I have another beating ?"

It has nothing to do with policing anything like you so obviously manipulativly keep refering to.

3. If you in anyway have refered to me saying that all the people on Excal thinks in a certain way. I suggest you go back to kindergarden and start relearning reading again.

Im overstating things to make them more clear. Ofc not all are the same there might not even be a majority etc

Was that so hard to understand ? If so just tell me and ill rewrite it and try using baby language.


Im sorry in advance for using hard language against some people but its just needed for them to actually understand that before one starts writing stupid arguments against something thats not in discussion you have to read the posts so you understand what it is you are arguing about.

/Charmangle

 

[vavires]

Or do you want to try and convince me that if someone beats you up, youll just go back to them and say: "Please Sir can I have another beating ?"

/Charmangle

If its a women i might think it over

 

[ViPeOuT]

Have u read my intial post?

Yes I did actually:

Its also up to the player camping to respond to the player asking the questions.
There are cases where ppl do AFK-camping. If the person doesnt reply u in the next 10 minutes hes presumed as a AFK-camper. So at that time U can take the right upon u to claim the mob.

However your opinion isnt always the general one and some seem to think that camping an artifact for 10 hours with a bot while doing something else is also claiming the ultimate rights to do the encounter even though they haven't really been active around there...

I might have put it in a wierd way but there was actually a separate point in my post which had nothing to do with someone being AFK-Camping with a bot:

With this "rule" it's in theory possible to enforce it so that you can claim an artifact 24/7 if you can keep a character logged in at the encounter at all times. Now tell me in what way that is respect for your fellow players...

As I said... In theory it's possible to camp an artifact 24/7 and claim that all the pops of the encounter is yours.
Example: ML9 SM with Bot can do several artifacts encounters and still only use one computer. With some help from friends who might take over the camping when the first one gets tired someone would be possible to lock down an artifact 24/7. Ok sure if he's actually active and needs the artifact and gets it ONCE when it pops but camping/farming there for greed while enforcing this "unwritten rule" seems like a load of BS to me. In no way taking farming before need is respect for other players.

Still an ML9 SM with Bot who's active wont come across the problem of someone "stealing" the artifact that often since he has no reason to stand around waiting when he has all the means of doing the encounter himself.

But the general point being in this subject that someone who's solo and not sure he can amass the needed players for the encounter when it pops shouldn't really have the right to say it's his.
Which brings us back to the point of the "RL Queues" posts.
Let's say you're standing in line to buy food or whatever and when you reach the registrer you notice you don't have any money to pay for your stuff and the line is long behind you. Would you say it's everyone behind you that should respect you and wait quietly behind you while you phone your friends to come there with money? In reality any sane person would let those in the line behind them go ahead or they would forcefully be removed.

Well ultimatly what I'm trying to say is that just as Bahumat said, 10min is way too long time to let someone respond if they are camping the encounter or not. However if they do and then claim that they have someone inc to help them atleast I might be nice enough to let them have that chance IF they manages to get there in a set amount of time. If there would be no set time for them to get the backup needed for the encounter then anyone solo can just claim that they got people inc all day and thus locking the encounter for everyone else.