A Discussion

[Sharkith]

Ooh, free hugs!

Lesbian!!

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Just a quick note - I think DAOC would benefit most from a forum that is linked to active accounts, thereby making only the /active/ people that post. Yes, I know I'll be yelled at for suggesting it, but I think it would certainly filter out much of the noise.

 

[Mabs]

It denies choice.
This is a common objection I've seen to AC raids. People are denied the opportunity to take part in the siege by virtue of being in bed. I have to say I'm not convinced of this one. I'm sure we all miss a lot of ingame events through having to schedule inconveniences like work, school, family and so forth around our game time. I don't begrudge the people who are ingame at a time when I'm not the opportunity to play. If those people want to RvR and there are no players to fight then why should they be prevented from contributing to the realm war?

there is a difference between "i work nights, so i rvr during the day" so you miss them, and "im going to stay up till silly o'clock and do it then when i know there will be few to no people on".
the first is unfortunate, the second is deliberate avoiding of people => RVR game => easy PVE relicing => Spirit Of The Game ?
or to put it another way, its meta-gaming (i think ) whereby you are using external factors to an ingame benefit.

good post, but its too little too late tbh

 

[censi]

the newbs destroyed the cluster imo...

there seems to be less players around nowadays that play daoc in a way which promotes fun for all sides. That doesnt mean some roglord duel wielding flowers who hugs spams all opponents while they pummell him. That means players that play looking for some sort of competative end game that are not interested in greifing or anything other than a reasonably fair balanced fight where they can loose if they play bad, but dominate if they play good.

understandably the FG crowd have gone, but so have all the really solid pipe hitting soloers... theres a few top draw dudes left but there used to be an abudence of good players, rather than like the situation of getting a good fight once in a blue moon.

 

[Kinag]

Is it me or does people seem to understand eachother alot more now, than before? oO

Like now, Muylaetrix and Bracken seems to be quite on the same line as Sharkith, I'm not saying you all agree with everything, but things seem to be more at place.

I think that's great if that is actually the case.

People can finally agree on something, and see different views when it comes to the whole.

If things like this actually keeps up, then the server might actually get back up there.

 

[islef]

Well gonna have a shot at this, im just gonna comment on the things i see as most improtant and there is so much id like to say that the post will most likely become messy.

Frankly i think most of these issues has to do with the fact that the flow of new players stopped ages ago.
Why?
Censi says that newbs killed the game, i dont really believe this and ill try to explain why. (i found he has proven me wrong before and might do so again but here goes)
As I see it each person that play this game evolves his playstyle throughout the game as he goes along. Most of you have most likely forgotten this, but i am a newb that started playing in 2004 and so i still remember to some extend.
I believe that most who play this game has explored most of what it has to offer before they settle down and do what they like the best, be it pve, 8vs8 pugs, just zerging, 8vs8 with super competitive set grous etc.. I dont think any playstyle is more valid than any other, but no matter how you twist it, tho oppsing playstyles will clash together because they dont support each other. And that is where i see a problem, there are no (or so few) players roaming in between trying to find out what they like, that they are insignificant for the discourses set ingame. These will instead be set by players with opposing views on playstyles and such the enviorement in the server becomes hostile and hatefull. Be it against AC raids or something else, there are too few with a leg in each camp to smoothen things out when it get out of hand.
Also no new players will mean no or very few faces enters the solo, zerg or fg scene, the game becomes static and people leave. This is why i disagree with a statement like censis.
Pro's dont just come out of nowhere, they come from the broader masses and evolve through training, but if they can never find anything but very experienced and good high rr players, they will not continue because so very very few find it fun to just loose loose and loose.

I see the TT incident as a final clash between 2 opposing playstyles, that will never co-exist if there is not a large amount of players in between to mediate the views of the two.

So the end of MY views on why there is such a hatefull atmosphere on the cluster. A remarkably long post to say very little, but im bored on a nightshift so..

/regards isle.

 

[old.Whoodoo]

It does seem people are seeing common threads in the issues we have, which seem to be flaming each other for our playstyles, bullying by certain people, lack of new blood, lack of insentives to stay, GOAs poor communication to us, old and new players, and for everyone forgetting this is supposed to be a game for fun.

If we want to ask a single question, what should it really be?

How can we as a playerbase improve things?
How can GOA fix problems with the player base?
How can we together put the game back on the genre map?

These are just a few questions, firstly like you say Kinag, people are starting to see a light at the end, so we may have taken a first step.

However, some things maybe beyond help, like recruiting new players, as there is not really an incentive to play, poor advertising - this has always been the case, and getting all of the player base to be a little more friendly.

Mythic introduced double XP in SI and the old realms, people rolled more toons and new blood found the grind less harassing, while GOA may have this planned for Feb (5 year aniversary of Euro), it could be done right now. With the advent of LotM, there is chance for advertising, lets hope this time we actually see more than half a page in Readers Wives.

You only attract people to buy a product when it looks rewarding, and the word of mouth gives off good vibes. At present morale is low and therefore we dont tend to say to our chums "This roxxors!!", which isnt good.

Give the players some rewards, not shitty quests or toy cats or armour that you cant even salvage; levels, RPs, free high level gear, crafting bonus or butt naked ladies on white horses would be nice (last one is my pref!).

Boost morale in general, and maybe theres a fighting chance people will hang around, and maybe some will return!

 

[Arethir]

Btw Bracken, Sharkith etc, just for the record, when we lowered the keep to L1, we were all on vent. So I have serious doubts there was any chat logs of the subject, and if there were, they were taken out of context as they wouldn't know what people were answering to or talking about on vent. And why would we bother typing when we can simply talk about it? Esp if we were to brag about it, that would be alot funnier on vent than in group chat.

 

[Olvoair]

Reading this post makes me sad.

Last few days steamrolling albs were certainly no fun. Albs rolled belly up everywhere and refused to do anything to defend or retake until off hrs.

I was a bit at the bridges at Beno and saw 3 times the number of albs stay well within the range of their DI bots instead of attempting to wipe numerically inferior mids. I.e. WW1 with all dug down with a lot of snipers killing anyone trying to do anything. Stalemate. As none moves outside the keep I cannot play my atm prefered toon (skald) as I either meet none at all or a fg / zerg that will happily run half a zone just to kill my little rr4 skald. Being a class whos only option to get some action is melee ( unless the 700 range dds are classified as ranged ) this means I get nothing out of being there. So I log. I still pay for my 3 accounts but, for how long? How long til the grass on the other side is green enough to make me move?

 

[old.Whoodoo]

Censi says that newbs killed the game

Censi thinks everyone killed the game except him, his and others similar attitude and critisism is one that is killing peoples enjoyment, and therefore the game.

 

[islef]

Censi thinks everyone killed the game except him, his and others similar attitude and critisism is one that is killing peoples enjoyment, and therefore the game.

Quoting censi was more to give myself something to start from so i did not go and write an essay, no need to start flaming.

From his (and mostlikely many other experienced soloers, 8vs8 etc) view, newbs really have destroyed the game, because it is no challenge. But then again i belive it is the lack of newbs for maybe 3 years counting that is the reason there isnt anymore solid soloers 8vs8 and so on, and the lack of new blood make the established players leave in the end, cause the game and the encounters get static and boring.

 

[eble@work]

the newbs destroyed the cluster imo...

there seems to be less players around nowadays that play daoc in a way which promotes fun for all sides. That doesnt mean some roglord duel wielding flowers who hugs spams all opponents while they pummell him. That means players that play looking for some sort of competative end game that are not interested in greifing or anything other than a reasonably fair balanced fight where they can loose if they play bad, but dominate if they play good.

understandably the FG crowd have gone, but so have all the really solid pipe hitting soloers... theres a few top draw dudes left but there used to be an abudence of good players, rather than like the situation of getting a good fight once in a blue moon.

...breaking news Cyclone Censi is about to hit the coast of mainland Europe days of constant whinge is expected but the lastest reports in say the lemon plantations to north seem to be unaffected so far we'll keep you posted.

GOA stated aims in this thread was to have a discussion, but when it was stated they do not feel AC is against the STOG and they won't take action against its almost like well whats the point of discussing it then.?

I work for my sins in a customer service industry, all this thread smells of is lets put something out to the comstumers and look like were doing something, instead of sitting on our hands. (if it isn't one of these then it should be, the popualtion decline hasn't been addressed ever as far as I know except for the cluster).

This server needs options Requiel, how about throwing some ideas in the air like clustering with either a German/French cluster, you know were in a unique worldwide position on this cluster where we have no more servers of the same language to cluster with, the yanks will propbaly all be on the same cluster eventually we dont get that choice.

I feel I pay my money for a game thats degrading even week by week, so my gaming experience is going down yet no options to change anything.

GOA's approach should have been either 'A' let the community deal with the whole TT thing, lets face it when hibs would have retaken the relic from a lvl 1 keep it would have been AC'd away the following night or so, nothing to get people banned for or worry about.

or 'B' try and make some direct guidence on the server (which they did by banning a few TT, and for what you might add GOA never forced the release of the keep at that point, its was only an unseccesful RR that ment the keep transferred). But then the most serious in my eyes failed to address why some poeple in there eyes were willing to break the STOG. It wasn't a case of lets look at why these poeple agreed on this action? nope, more great we have chat logs there screwed.

So now were stuck in 'no mans land' GOA all too keen to jump in and Ban with the banner of STOG for some things yet reluctant to even consider probably a much worse effect the AC is having.

I've played this game from day one, the GM involvment has been minimal to say the least, from what I hear from people who have gone to others servers there GM's seem to be active, I've no idea why ours seems so distant, when was the last event held?

The population is dropping probably hence why this thread being started, the lack of direction from the GM's at the moment is just annoying to say the least.

Please give some sort of char copy option, I would move my account in a heartbeat even to a server where english isn't the first language its got that bad.

To have 2 fg's of people totally dominate the server to the extent these guys do is killing it fast either fix it or close the server.

In Mythics own words and these come back to haunt you Requiel this Game is all about 'Realm vs Realm' not 2fg's vs the guards.

Either sort it out or please dont even bother posting because your not offering the community any options/suggestions.

Plus when hib dropped all the twrs/keeps wasn't against the STOG? so we can expect many bans incoming yes?

I seem to have rambled on long enough.

Eble


'The customer is always right' shitty saying but some truth hidden in there somewhere, simple business practice piss the customers off they dont come back. (even for a glowing WAR game they will choose another region to play not GOA Europe)

 

[Sharkith]

Btw Bracken, Sharkith etc, just for the record, when we lowered the keep to L1, we were all on vent. So I have serious doubts there was any chat logs of the subject, and if there were, they were taken out of context as they wouldn't know what people were answering to or talking about on vent. And why would we bother typing when we can simply talk about it? Esp if we were to brag about it, that would be alot funnier on vent than in group chat.

ahhh this time was coming and is long overdue. You guys are one of the best bunch of people I know but when I say chat logs I mean in game logs between people talking about this i.e send messages with others and between you guys not Team Speak. I have never commented on this because it is simply not my place to. I am still trying to avoid it. I don't know what happened that night in Albuion but if someone said something that was misunderstood then say now. Its time to say sorry surely if it has happened?

I trust you but I also trust Bracken and Muly: something went wrong. For whatever reason. Now we need to close it. No-one is clean in this if you feel you might of done something wrong now is the time to try and say it.

You won't like me saying this but Braken, Kinetix, Kagato and Muly were not insane when they posted about the lowering of the keep. Something got them wound up try to find out what it was and I am betting GOA saw something that became their evidence.... be clear and address the problem directly GOA and others might have got you wrong but at the very least lets figure out if that is what happened.

GOA found something that they felt was against the SoTG. They did not make it up. What you guys need to do is be honest with yourselves and everyone else - was something said that might have been mis-understood or taken in a way you did not think it would?

All of us have a cross to bear. Not a nice place to be in. But I do hope we are going somewhere better.

Just now I cannot give you how I personally feel I would go because I am tied to NFD and I am tied to the Avalon project. I will not in any way change that unless they decide what they want to do as a guild.

I do think this Dyvet discussion is is working and going to good places. Like old.Whoodoo has said the gaps are closing I admit I am on the side of Muly, Bracken, Crom, Gahn and Shike - maybe not a good place to be in!

Finally we all have toons on Dyvet. Would it ever be possible to lift the veil and play them again?

I dunno.

Until NFD decide what they want to do I have no comment on that because they are the only people I depend on 100%. Sorry but that is how it is.

It would be nice to think of Dyvet RvR nights though. Its not the solution but it is a start. I loved my druid.

:worthy: to all of you so far who have tried to get over this.

 

[Zede]

ahhh this time was coming and is long overdue. You guys are one of the best bunch of people I know but when I say chat logs I mean in game logs between people talking about this i.e send messages with others and between you guys not Team Speak. I have never commented on this because it is simply not my place to. I am still trying to avoid it. I don't know what happened that night in Albuion but if someone said something that was misunderstood then say now. Its time to say sorry surely if it has happened?

I trust you but I also trust Bracken and Muly: something went wrong. For whatever reason. Now we need to close it. No-one is clean in this if you feel you might of done something wrong now is the time to try and say it.

You won't like me saying this but Braken, Kinetix, Kagato and Muly were not insane when they posted about the lowering of the keep. Something got them wound up try to find out what it was and I am betting GOA saw something that became their evidence.... be clear and address the problem directly GOA and others might have got you wrong but at the very least lets figure out if that is what happened.

GOA found something that they felt was against the SoTG. They did not make it up. What you guys need to do is be honest with yourselves and everyone else - was something said that might have been mis-understood or taken in a way you did not think it would?

All of us have a cross to bear. Not a nice place to be in. But I do hope we are going somewhere better.

Just now I cannot give you how I personally feel I would go because I am tied to NFD and I am tied to the Avalon project. I will not in any way change that unless they decide what they want to do as a guild.

I do think this Dyvet discussion is is working and going to good places. Like old.Whoodoo has said the gaps are closing I admit I am on the side of Muly, Bracken, Crom, Gahn and Shike - maybe not a good place to be in!

Finally we all have toons on Dyvet. Would it ever be possible to lift the veil and play them again?

I dunno.

Until NFD decide what they want to do I have no comment on that because they are the only people I depend on 100%. Sorry but that is how it is.

It would be nice to think of Dyvet RvR nights though. Its not the solution but it is a start. I loved my druid.

:worthy: to all of you so far who have tried to get over this.

From my own personal experience (the original keep lowering event)

Some officers of AoD lowered the keep - like arethir said, it was all done in vent. Those members of AoD not in vent had no clue. The grp logged. I logged on about hmm 10:30pm gmt, the only AoD member online.

Within seconds I got a stream of abuse from quite a few alb chars. To start with I was polite, and had no real clue what was happening. Quite soon, random ppl would just pm me with stuff like " your a fuckin cock " " wanker" etc... Within 10 mins I'd had enough and gave some shit back.

Guess Im just sayin' its easy to let your tounge slip when you getting abusive thrown at you. In the heat of the moment its out of context ofc, something our ace goa seem to have forgotten.

 

[Arethir]

ahhh this time was coming and is long overdue. You guys are one of the best bunch of people I know but when I say chat logs I mean in game logs between people talking about this i.e send messages with others and between you guys not Team Speak. I have never commented on this because it is simply not my place to. I am still trying to avoid it. I don't know what happened that night in Albuion but if someone said something that was misunderstood then say now. Its time to say sorry surely if it has happened?

GOA found something that they felt was against the SoTG. They did not make it up. What you guys need to do is be honest with yourselves and everyone else - was something said that might have been mis-understood or taken in a way you did not think it would?

I didn't mean it in any offencive way, I just wanted to make it clear that it is very unlikely that they have any chat logs where we talk about lowering this keep simply to grief other players, or cause damage to albion as a realm.
Atleast I know for sure, that every pm and ingame conversation I had at this time, I did not yell at anyone, swear at anyone, or give any such grieflike reason as to why we should lower the keep. And I'm pretty sure if any of my guildies told somebody pm'ing them that yes, they only did it to piss albs off, it must of been a sarcastic comment. (However, i highly doubt such a comment took place, as we even talked about the subject on vent, and knew people were going to post screenies of whatever we said on FH and RN.)

Speaking for me, I can say that i don't regret any of my actions around this event. I have no respect whatsoever for these repeatedly AC raids albions did at the time, and if I could I would of done even more to distance myself and fight down these people causing grief to both us and our enemies. They wouldn't listen to any pm's or talks, taking action was the only way we could be heard.

The only place I know someone misunderstood me, is Gazon talking about how I was laughing at the people who spoke up against us, where I was actually laughing at the whole situation, and that randoms albs came to FH calling us traitors, because we won't help to defend our relic. Also the reaction albs had on taking yet another relic, simply to how us they could not be bossed around, was over the top for me. From my pov the followup actions and posts by some albion members were so stupid and ignorant that i simply could not take this serious any longer, whereas they would not listen to anything we had to say, which they prooved by taking the second relic.

Sorry to bring all this old shit up again. Became a little longer than i thought, but anyhow, just to make sure people understand, the bans were given due to RN complaints. I can't imagine GoA would be stupid enough to ban someone from any chat log that might of occured in that situation, as they must understand that any (if there were any) comments about this action would be full of sarcasm, anger and such feelings. And in addition they would be taken out of context due to the use of ventrilo.

 

[civy]

I haven’t played for 2 years but from my time before AC raids have always been part of the game. The big change came with the long drawn out process of NF RR.

In old frontier there were also plenty (weekly) RR that weren’t AC’s. A realm would spend a week of secret communications between the guild leaders. Times/Objectives/Equipment were all put in place. A successful RR relied on secrecy and could be won or lost in a hour.

NF RR were very rarely planned. They were just the end result of a continued attack from one realm on another.

I left about a year into NF and a lot had changed. Gone was a desire to rush to a realms defence. In OF a large enemy force spotted would result in most dropping what they were doing, raids, 8 man, soloing were abandoned more often than not and a realm came together. In NF meh it will be going on for hours was a more common reaction.

I remember being on many 3am/8am OF RR. They were usually a blast and often failed miserably. 2 or 3 peeps of the right class could hold off a OF RR of 5 times the number. NF when outnumbered by 5ish times it’s game over., you might as well just hand them over.

Just my thoughts, not sure how relevant they are due to my lack of experience in the last 2 years.
(sorry for bad spelling/grammar/relevance but its 5am and I should be asleep )

 

[Kinag]

From my own personal experience (the original keep lowering event)

Some officers of AoD lowered the keep - like arethir said, it was all done in vent. Those members of AoD not in vent had no clue. The grp logged. I logged on about hmm 10:30pm gmt, the only AoD member online.

Within seconds I got a stream of abuse from quite a few alb chars. To start with I was polite, and had no real clue what was happening. Quite soon, random ppl would just pm me with stuff like " your a fuckin cock " " wanker" etc... Within 10 mins I'd had enough and gave some shit back.

Guess Im just sayin' its easy to let your tounge slip when you getting abusive thrown at you. In the heat of the moment its out of context ofc, something our ace goa seem to have forgotten.

I think I got a few banned when AoD did that xD

Got so much abuse thrown at me so Steveh told me to redirect them to him ^^

I did, but I also managed to get them banned cause I can't remember seeing them until a few weeks later.

 

[Raven]

Censi thinks everyone killed the game except him, his and others similar attitude and critisism is one that is killing peoples enjoyment, and therefore the game.

i don't think its either, i think people are just getting bored of the game* and trying to find an excuse to break their addiction. people have always been vocal, if people cant cope with a bit of criticism over their play style then they should get out more.












*maybe they should try something new, like competitive pvp, its exciting, challenging and something completely new to most of the people left on excal/pryd, and no i am not trying to take the piss out of them, the rush of beating someone or another group in an equal fight can be brilliant.

 

[Xajin]

I quitted DAoC some months ago, however I thought I'd give my opinion:

In my opinion AC'ing is just one of many things that has gone from bad to worse, mainly as a result of an outdated ruleset (CoC), too passive gamemasters (will refer to that as GM further in my post) and game mechanism.


1. Outdated ruleset

DAoC is a virtual world, and like the real world the CoC needs to be updated frequently. Concerning outdated rules, we can draw a parallel to the real world; What do you think would happen if the system/government stopped updating the law, that until now has been updated every now and then to match todays society?


2. Too passive GM's

While I personally liked that you gave the community the free choice of how to play the game, you should surely have known/guessed already from the beginning, that it also would be the root to alot of trouble. This shouldn't be a big surprise, as it's what we experience in the real world all the time. While almost all countries has a different view on lifestyle, they have one thing in common, and that is the behavior/morale isn't as much controlled by the law, but by people that more or less dictates/states their opinion on what would be morale right to do. When it comes to this EU game, GoA are the most power to dictate what good behavior and how the game should be played (should, not necessary how it will be played). You could have done that, on the offical homepage, no?

AC'ing is today more used to cause grief towards an opponent, and is used as a way of veangence. The thing that started this is found long ago, and simply boils down to different playstyles that didn't match each other.


3. Game mechanism

This is the one thing that you have little to be blamed. However, as we are your customers and not Mythics, I personally think it's your responsibility to tell them when you're experiencing things going bad. Who knows? Perhabs Mythic could come up with an idea, that could fix the whole AC'ing incident (and other). I will here give you an idea of what you could write:
--
Dear sirs,

We have lately experienced an increasing numbers of Alarm clock raids, which have caused much grief and is one of the reasons, we are having a continuosly increasing droprate in the overall population the the UK servers.

We request your aid on what to do.

one of our <insert> have come up with an idea on how to fix the problem. The idea is, that you give us the option to adjust the guards on the different servers, and making them stronger (in form of level/hp/procs etc.) at off-peak times, so it's very hard/impossible for only 1-2 groups to take the relic.
--


Anyway, that's my few cent to this conversation.

 

[Novamir]

things that would have to change for me to return:

- absurd levels of pve needed to start and to maintain a character at the top levels in RvR needs to be fixed (not GOAs fault)
- pitifully low population needs to rise
- the community was waning before NF came out, and it seemed to just kill the majority of old excal off. it took me about two years to understand how old siege stuff worked in OF, let alone this new fangled rubbish! there's just too much frontier for the population to find enough random fights.
- community aspect - for me, freddyshouse has helped to kill off the server. ive always hated the oppressive atmosphere since the move from BW->FH. all of a sudden you couldnt have a laugh any more.

really its mainly due to lack of population, which is due to a huge number of factors. daoc just doesnt have enough people playing it any more for it to be a 'massively' mporg. not on cluster anyway. how do you get people back? well that's up to mythic i suppose, but Blizzard have handled publicity for WoW so damn well. its not like daoc is that worse a game really. i mean the pvp aspect of wow is non-existent.

 

[Legaethiel]

I read all these posts and I think the problem really stems from the highly provocative, and salicious, threads and postings made on this forum, about issues like this. I think freedom of speech is very important in any medium. I think there are limits and boundaries, but these are far too frequently crossed which makes a bad situation worse. Criticism is fine, but it goes far too far sometimes on this forum. On the plus side, it allows people to express how they feel about certain in game issues: but again those boundaries are crossed, by total idiots.

In principle, there is nothing wrong with A/C raids, in practice there is so much wrong with them. I don't agree with them, but it is a 24/7 game and people should have the autonomy to play how they like, not to the detriment of other people.

This is an autonomous game, which is why I play it, and enjoy it. I don't think anyone should change that aspect of game.

 

[Shike]

I read all these posts and I think the problem really stems from the highly provocative, and salicious, threads and postings made on this forum, about issues like this. I think freedom of speech is very important in any medium. I think there are limits and boundaries, but these are far too frequently crossed which makes a bad situation worse. Criticism is fine, but it goes far too far sometimes on this forum. On the plus side, it allows people to express how they feel about certain in game issues: but again those boundaries are crossed, by total idiots.

In principle, there is nothing wrong with A/C raids, in practice there is so much wrong with them. I don't agree with them, but it is a 24/7 game and people should have the autonomy to play how they like, not to the detriment of other people.

This is an autonomous game, which is why I play it, and enjoy it. I don't think anyone should change that aspect of game.

Then why dont you report the posts you really dislike with a good reason? Im quite sure mods are capable of listening to reason and just remove a post or even a poster if its too much. I have no idea how many posts I have reported but usually they get modded when I do. (I have filed many reports!)

 

[Bracken]

if people cant cope with a bit of criticism over their play style then they should get out more.

It's people who constantly feel the need to belittle & abuse people over how they play a computer game that should get out more. But that's a whole different thread entirely.

 

[Shike]

It's people who constantly feel the need to belittle & abuse people over how they play a computer game that should get out more. But that's a whole different thread entirely.

you never called anyone leetist or something similar?

thats the funny thing, I got called things long before I even had posted my first whine on any forum By casuals!

 

[old.Whoodoo]

- absurd levels of pve needed to start and to maintain a character at the top levels in RvR needs to be fixed (not GOAs fault)

Coming from an old school player, thats a daft statement, free levels, instance XP, quests and task dungoens provide more than enough XP, to boot at 50 you get sooo much xp and champ xp from RvR its unreal. How much easier do you want it?

- pitifully low population needs to rise

The question is how to do this m8?

- the community was waning before NF came out, and it seemed to just kill the majority of old excal off. it took me about two years to understand how old siege stuff worked in OF, let alone this new fangled rubbish! there's just too much frontier for the population to find enough random fights.

When NF was in testing on the US, there was enough people to make damn good use of the size of NF, Agramon was IMO a mistake, but yes, smaller it does need to be.

- community aspect - for me, freddyshouse has helped to kill off the server. ive always hated the oppressive atmosphere since the move from BW->FH. all of a sudden you couldnt have a laugh any more.

Amen, too many people taking it too seriously, and like you say, unable to laugh and have fun anymore unless its at the expense of others.

really its mainly due to lack of population, which is due to a huge number of factors. daoc just doesnt have enough people playing it any more for it to be a 'massively' mporg. not on cluster anyway. how do you get people back? well that's up to mythic i suppose, but Blizzard have handled publicity for WoW so damn well. its not like daoc is that worse a game really. i mean the pvp aspect of wow is non-existent.

Very true, but its not just down to Mythic, GOA are supposed to handle their own advertising, and I laughed when one of the GMs mentioned on here that they had a "professional campaign on the way" (that may have been on BW it was that long ago!). WoW used the same thing as SWG, bring out something on the back of a big name - Star Wars or Warcraft - and people turn into cash loaded lemmings, take a look at the interest in WAR, already its populatiry is astounding, again because of the name, millions play the board verions, now toons that move and kick arse, what better? The proof on that will indeed be in the pudding.

 

[Bracken]

you never called anyone leetist or something similar?

thats the funny thing, I got called things long before I even had posted my first whine on any forum By casuals!

I called people many things over their attitudes - that's entirely different to whether someone has a preference for zerg, 8v8 or whatever. And I agree, it applies on all sides of the fence But that discussion has been done to death...

 

[Ctuchik]

Why do people get so worked up about AC raids?

because u never get a chance at defending. its that simple. that and knowing that *IF* u manage to take the relics prime time they will just get AC'd a few hours later, making all the work getting them in the first place utterly meaningless. so u never get a chance to defend all that work.

 

[scorge]

Why do people get so worked up about AC raids?

1) With a decreasing player base people get upset when raids happen out of there play time.
2) People who have defended a keep during there playtime dont like to see there hardwork undone by 2fg when they are not in game.
3) People like to whine and flame and generally bandwagon

The question you should also be asking is "Why do people engage in AC raids?"

Maybe if people answer this question it might help find the problem.

Sorry if it has been mentioned before but cant be bothered to read the last 11 pages just yet.

 

[BlackrazoR]

English Servers GM and you think Relic Bonus is 5% - enough said.

 

[Xeros]

Guards on a leech so they wont run off and with random aggrocode is all it really takes to be difficult to handle though. Those type of mobs have always been the most difficult to deal with since you cant use regular methods to control aggro. By making them standard guards with the usual aggroset they would be extremely easy to deal with as is any mob that works that way. If someone used some trick to deal with them in a inapproperiate way, then its bugabuse and punishable so that argument doesnt work very well. I cant honestly believe it is hard to adjust and make alot harder, I find it hard to truly believe :/ If that truly is the case, then your tools should be updated.

Ive sent feedback to Mythic many many many! times and regarding this its very hard for Mythic to see the whole picture, they dont read our forum and see the whine every time someone do an AC, they dont know that our cluster is so onesided nighttime, etc. This is where GOA should move in on your own initiative and demand a proper tool or solution to adjust as you see fit. The reason for that demand is simple, to keep the players happy. I dunno but, say what you want about ACs, they aint making an awful lot of people happy are they?

AC raids are lame and easy goal for the ones doing it.
Increasing the guards, give them tricks or whatever sounds good way to stop the AC raids.

But this is an knive that cuts on 2 sides imo. Untill now there was no goal imo to do it, unless if they were meant by the leaders to anger the mids/hibs/albs.
By increasing the guards, giving them tricks, ..... it might be then an challenge to do AC raids or use this as an excuse to the same lame leaders who did before the lame raids


Greets Mr. X (My nickname in Albion btw and now because I want to stay misterious as someone already said inhere on FH that didn't knew me hehe)