A contructive apprasel of Alb RVR performance post 1.60

[tildson]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
I take it there's a reason you left albion, I can't say that makes you less unbiased in your 'judging' of whether or not alb/excal is skilled or not.

You're a fool if you believe otherwise.

I left because of the slow patching of GOA and went to US-servers ALBION. And after 9months of ALBION i wanted to try Hib, then i wanted to try Mid, and then i wanted to try ALBION again.

How's that for a reason? Dont talk about judging..

 

[tildson]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
I take it there's a reason you left albion, I can't say that makes you less unbiased in your 'judging' of whether or not alb/excal is skilled or not.

You're a fool if you believe otherwise.

I left because of the slow patching of GOA and went to US-servers ALBION. And after 9months of ALBION i wanted to try Hib, then i wanted to try Mid, and then i wanted to try ALBION again.

How's that for a reason? Dont talk about judging..

 

[tildson]

Originally posted by Tranquil-
I take it there's a reason you left albion, I can't say that makes you less unbiased in your 'judging' of whether or not alb/excal is skilled or not.

You're a fool if you believe otherwise.

I left because of the slow patching of GOA and went to US-servers ALBION. And after 9months of ALBION i wanted to try Hib, then i wanted to try Mid, and then i wanted to try ALBION again.

How's that for a reason? Dont talk about judging..

 

[Tigerius]

I'm officially judging you a twat for that series of reposts.

Chill.

 

[tildson]

Oh dear god, never spam anything - Even if its not responding!

Try playing Albion on a diffirent server than Excalibur and see for yourselves ! Over and out

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Jergiot
stfu u twat, u stand still close ur eyes and press pbaoe button. fucking cunt go kill urself or something.


edit: sorry censi, i tried to keep the flaming out of this post, but sharp is a fucking moron.

cant take the truth?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by tildson
I left because of the slow patching of GOA and went to US-servers ALBION. And after 9months of ALBION i wanted to try Hib, then i wanted to try Mid, and then i wanted to try ALBION again.

How's that for a reason? Dont talk about judging..

So what you are saying is that you can't be biased in your statements? Come again?

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
cant take the truth?

No, I'm sure it's just the bullshit being posted in this thread that clouds minds.

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Karlo
HAHA

Since when were mercs and friars proper damage dealers lol.

Oh thats right, mercs really outdamage chanters dont they

thats right, i forgot, mercs arent pure casters !!!!!!

 

[tildson]

It's not bias, it's the truth. Funny how only Albs stand against it

Oh, and here is another reason for leaving Albion on Excalibur: You are so damn narrow-minded ! Everyone who have left Albion dont regret it at all, and it has it's reasons

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Belomar
...says the Alb who rerolled Hib.

i've seen the light and the situation was hopeless then, so i decided to make my time in daoc a good one, wich it is now on hib :>

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by tildson
I did play Excalibur first Paladin upto lvl50, i also played an infil on MLF to r6.

Ok I take it back. Always happy to admit when I'm wrong. You obviously played more than just the fotm classes. Which leaves only 1 reason for your ignorant posts - you're just a prick.

 

[old.Filip]

tildson it will allways be 1 guys word against another ..

i played camlann... and tbh i think the albs i knew was playing better than the rest of the ppl we meet ...

in my groups only the old albs spread out fast enugh when we got inc ... most other ppl (old hibs and mids) was chating or realyed on our mezzer to get the mezz of before the other group ...
which not always was the case ..



Filip
Minser of HB

 

[tildson]

Originally posted by old.Filip
tildson it will allways be 1 guys word against another ..

i played camlann... and tbh i think the albs i knew was playing better than the rest of the ppl we meet ...

in my groups only the old albs spread out fast enugh when we got inc ... most other ppl (old hibs and mids) was chating or realyed on our mezzer to get the mezz of before the other group ...
which not always was the case ..



Filip
Minser of HB

You're right, lets not waste more time on this. It's like 2 diffirent religions fighting eachother

 

[parlain]

Originally posted by Karlo
HAHA

Since when were mercs and friars proper damage dealers lol.

Oh thats right, mercs really outdamage chanters dont they

Usual melee resists usually 26% (assuming sc to cap and excluding racials and armour)

Usual magic reissts usuually ~50% (assuming sc to cap, AoM I or II and mid level resist buffs, not unusual)

Magic users need twice the base damage output to do the same amount of damage as the melee users.

Melee users face pbt to get past

Magic users have low survivabilty

You need a mix of damage output to combat eventualities imo.

As for damage output I suggest you let Quicksilver and/or Konah hit you a few times; I know many elphs have complained when they get hit ^^

 

[Karlo]

You all missed the point of the mercs friars as dmg dealers and pbaoe.

Where did I put about them doing low damage? No where.

People have missed the whole point of this.

THE BACKBONE OF ALBION GROUPS ARE THE PROBLEM!

pure and simple.

 

[Jergiot]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
cant take the truth?

what truth? that ur a lame fotm cunt that jumped ship instead of sticking it out? but more importantly, why are u still alive? dont u have something to do? like killing urself for being so stupid?

 

[Sharp Thing]

Originally posted by Jergiot
what truth? that ur a lame fotm cunt that jumped ship instead of sticking it out? but more importantly, why are u still alive? dont u have something to do? like killing urself for being so stupid?

when iw as in alb i got extremely anoyed by how stupid/arogant/anoying ppl where, almost everyone i grped with in the 8months i spent there had atleast somthing that anoyed me. most albs have a poor performance in rvr and hardly know what their character is capable off and scream nerf when somthing touches them for mroe dmg then they do themselves (even if they have an extreme low dmg spec). i shared my opinion, some agree, others disagree, call me what you want and see if i care :>


P.S.: you are one of those 70% btw

 

[mastade]

Originally posted by dakeyras
Main problem is lack of sheer damage if you strive for the 'best' setup. Many times we juggle group members around to get the best groups we can (and more support classes are now coming through) but once we have the right RvR componants we look at the group makeup and the question that beckons is 'how are we gonna kill the enemy?'

Hib groups have space for 5 damage dealers
Mid groups hace space for 4
Alb groups have space for 2

Right from the start Alb groups that have the same RvR 'tools' as Hib/Mid are deficient in the damage-dealing areas.

Alb groups can succeed and are capable of dominating but it takes much more skill to be successful in Alb than it does in Hib/Mid. Playing Hib/Mid as an inexperienced, low RR player is far more forgiving than playing Alb. Playing Alb leaves no room for error, you have to do everything right in order to win.

Dedicated, determined players will do well in Alb if they can find like-minded people with similar playing patterns and they are prepared to persevere. Albion is not a realm that is easy for casual or low RR players. Hence the herding for survival in emain.

In the "Standard" alb grp there are a bit more than 2 damage dealers?, almost ALL of your support chars can do a fine amount of damage.. the sorc, the mincer, the friar, the theurgh and i even the pally.. the support chars in i.e. hib cant do dam.. bards druids and wardens for instance, they are just PURE support, good support but thats all they are

 

[Jergiot]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
when iw as in alb i got extremely anoyed by how stupid/arogant/anoying ppl where, almost everyone i grped with in the 8months i spent there had atleast somthing that anoyed me. most albs have a poor performance in rvr and hardly know what their character is capable off and scream nerf when somthing touches them for mroe dmg then they do themselves (even if they have an extreme low dmg spec). i shared my opinion, some agree, others disagree, call me what you want and see if i care :>


P.S.: you are one of those 70% btw

no ur right, all the hib players and mid players know everything about their class and what other classes are capable off. its just albs. poor rvr performance? hey atleast we play instead of waiting for our perfectly balanced 3fgs to log on. atleast we dont switch realms on same server to play the next fotm class and blame it on ppl being arrogant or whatever. u jumped ship and now ur trying to blame other albs for it. that makes u a twat. oh btw why are u still in hib? u should be rolling a savage on mid/excal by now.

edit: i dont really care what fucking class u play, i just get pissed that u try to put albs down and blaming them for changing realm. atleast stand up for what u do like a fucking man. what makes u so much better then albs? im not seeing u owning SHIT in RvR.

 

[Aussie-]

albs suffer more from resists then any other realm
we got 5 casters, hibs 4 (actually 1 since mentalist/Animist is something you never see, and the other one doesnt care how many resists you have) and mids 2.

 

[acei]

You make it sound like only albs zerg? I constantly see hibs/mids zerging even when albs are just soloing or trying to do fg vs fg. No realm does it the way Mythic intended.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by mastade
In the "Standard" alb grp there are a bit more than 2 damage dealers?, almost ALL of your support chars can do a fine amount of damage.. the sorc, the mincer, the friar, the theurgh and i even the pally..

Please not that a fully support specced theurg, or even funnier, a fully mind specced Sorc cannot do damage....
A mind specced sorc will nuke for 100 damage, even with a combo of mind/body sorc, 34 mind/rest body I do not nuke for more than 250 per nuke... Maybe a full body specced sorc nukes for 350?
Friars do very nice damage indeed, but they hardly play a support role... they don't heal, minstrels don't really fight, they should be busy mezzing, demezzing, stunning... not hitting a tank for 60 damage using their sword...
They are rightly named support classes, and will do similar damage to your support classes. A full matter or body specced sorc is not a support class
But anyway, you Mids and Hibs are so great, you know exactly how Alb classes play, and stupid, clueless, retarded all of Albion players are... Cause you lot are so fucking uber...
LoL
Regards, Glottis

 

[mastade]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
But anyway, you Mids and Hibs are so great, you know exactly how Alb classes play, and stupid, clueless, retarded all of Albion players are... Cause you lot are so fucking uber...
LoL
Regards, Glottis

Since when did i say that Hib/mid are uber? or that you are retarded?

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
They are rightly named support classes, and will do similar damage to your support classes.

yeh ofc. a warden hitting for 30-35 and a bard or druid even going in combat mode will do as much dam as your "support classes"?! You have been drinking too much absinth i think the mind sorc/friar/mincer/pala and even the theurgh will outdam the warden, druid and bard anytime.

 

[Tigerius]

Originally posted by Jergiot
oh btw why are u still in hib? u should be rolling a savage on mid/excal by now.

He did, but on Mid/Pryd. Just leave him, he's not worth the response. If arrogance bothers you Sharp, I'd be looking real strongly at my own house first.

And as for the non-flame part of this, yes, Alb classes can deal damage in theory that's the way the game goes. However commonly this damage goes in alternative spec, making them either sceptical support (body sorc, combat friar) or sceptical damage dealing (rej/enh cleric, earth theurg). And this isn't even taking into account the difficulties of succesfully carrying out damage dealing and supporting at once, which in many instances is impossible as both require active casting of different non-instant spells, other times merely difficult to be in position and focus for both roles.

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
when iw as in alb i got extremely anoyed by how stupid/arogant/anoying ppl where, almost everyone i grped with in the 8months i spent there had atleast somthing that anoyed me

Ever thought the problem might be closer to home? Read your own post again and see if you can spot where the arrogance lies.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Sharp Thing
i've seen the light and the situation was hopeless then, so i decided to make my time in daoc a good one, wich it is now on hib :>

Ah! So you was a crappy albion/excal player but when u decided to roll a FoTM chanter in hib you suddenly became elite!!! :great:

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Originally posted by mastade
Since when did i say that Hib/mid are uber? or that you are retarded?

Did not mean you said, was refering more to Sharp Thing, excuse moi.

Originally posted by mastade
yeh ofc. a warden hitting for 30-35 and a bard or druid even going in combat mode will do as much dam as your "support classes"?! You have been drinking too much absinth i think the mind sorc/friar/mincer/pala and even the theurgh will outdam the warden, druid and bard anytime.

I do not see a friar as a support class, I have yet to find one that heals during a combat. I feel they are there to fight. A pally is a nice class, but also not meant as a support class, it is one of Albions tanks. Comparing a cloth wearing support class to one that can carry decent armor is slightly simplifying things. A bard does not die in 2 hits, and has instants, same with a druid. Takes a long time to kill a warden when you compare it to a theurg.
I guess a theurg will outdamage a warden, but the warden can take a lot more damage....
Regards, Glottis

 

[Trinilim]

Nice try mate, this thread started out nice, but the hijackers took over, the first page was a nice read, the rest just seemed to get hot under the collar.

Overall in my opinion albion is fully capable of taking on a full group of well-established mids or hibs with their own well-established group.

However, one of albion's key problem is that we have too many classes.

An example would be that a warden gets:
Scale armor
Base buffs
Heals
PBT
Speed
Resists
Melee damage


Now, with the vast spreading of these abilities across albion classes, in order to get all of what the Warden gets in a single spot in a group, albion would need several.

Cleric:
Chain armor
Spec/base buffs
Heals
Resists

Theurg:
PBT
Speed
Melee damage

2 spots to get the equivalent of a hibernian 1.

Take a close look at the Theurg as well. Wardens get a lot of things that make them very useful in groups. Theurg's however, have to spec in Earth in order to get the 6 second pbt. If you take a look into the Earth spec, you'll see that what they get is next to pathetic.

PBT, 12% power pet that's up for 30 seconds, lower attack speed shout.

Does that sound dull or what? Albion has next to nothing when it comes to PBT. Why? Because in order to get to 6 second PBT, someone has to play possibly the single most boring character on daoc. And who plays a game to get bored?

Albion has atm 14 classes

Hibernia 13

Midgard 12

So no matter how you look at it, Hibernia and Midgard have the group deal better off than Albion, as they can get more support packed into one group than albion.

But, as I said before, if a well-put together Albion group fights a mid or hib group and each person does their role and doesn't try to be a hero (no pun intended) and etc, they can hold their own just as well as them.

It's just that the group has to be well-put together. That's another thing. A VAST amount of Albs (me included a lot of the time) aren't patient enough to wait for 30 minutes waiting for a 6 second PBT theurg to show up, or a full mind sorc, or a full rej cleric, and etc. Most will grab what they can get.

Hell, I was in a group the other night that consisted of 2 infils, 1 armsman, 1 paladin, 1 cleric, and 3 mercs.

Hope you lot can see my points here, and don't take anything negatively

 

[kirennia]

Originally posted by Trinilim
Hell, I was in a group the other night that consisted of 2 infils, 1 armsman, 1 paladin, 1 cleric, and 3 mercs.

Hope you lot can see my points here, and don't take anything negatively

That group still won 3 out of 3 equal battles Goes to show I guess that not all hib/mid groups are as perfect as people make out (albs/mids AND hibs im refering to)