1.85A = FZ Nerf but Blade style loving ...

[censi]

u wont need FZ as much though gustav, if you adopt your playstyle to utilise the change the hunter can be a real nasty kite class.

I mean u know what its like trying to fight a shammy when all he is doing is diseseing and running well imagine that on a archer who also has the pet hitting for 200.

its gonna be kite-tastic meight!

 

[Azathrim]

who also has the pet hitting for 200.

Except the pet won't be hitting for 200. Seems one guy was having a fully buffed, max level pet, hit a cloth caster for some 170'ish...

Then imagine what the pet will do when hitting a PD5 melee ranger for. Do you really fear that?

Remember also, that you can still outsprint the pet. So if you don't let him catch you, you won't be diseased or snared. And if the hunter tries to run from you, you always have your side stun and back snare.

 

[Haldar]

Since when has that been around?

with changes in 1.85a.

ok, not 'current', but 'proposed'...

- Riposte for Infiltrators will now be based off Evade.

and form herald style library:

Level Name       Prerequisite Attack           Defense    Fatigue Cost Damage Effect 
34     Befuddler  Riposte       Medium Bonus None        Medium        High      Stunned

 

[Straef]

Would have that on a merc, bm either but thats abit diffrent

Purge on my pala, I meant I've got charge on merc, purge on pala and just passives on sorc, which I consider little active ra's as they're just the strictly necissary ones.

 

[censi]

Except the pet won't be hitting for 200. Seems one guy was having a fully buffed, max level pet, hit a cloth caster for some 170'ish...

Then imagine what the pet will do when hitting a PD5 melee ranger for. Do you really fear that?

dont think theres one pd5 melee ranger on this server tbh. and yes I do fear the damage when I cant afford to stop and attack the pet and I cant catch the hunter because im disesed.

 

[Eeben]

lol at all the rangers crying their hearts out here you guys really got hit with the nerf bat this time!!

 

[Puppet]

Giving archers a chainsnaring/diseasing pet is really a good idea. REALLY.

Blade/Slash changes: Grats on nerfing pierce once again, Mythic ! Why dont they fix/nerf the real issues (ML9 pets for example).

 

[[VR]Fuji]

Left Axe Changes

- Decaying Rage is now a side positional style with a 5 second stun.

- Aurora Borealis now chains off of Decaying Rage.

WOHOOOOOO!!!! \o/

 

[Eregion]

Left Axe Changes

- Decaying Rage is now a side positional style with a 5 second stun.

- Aurora Borealis now chains off of Decaying Rage.

WOHOOOOOO!!!! \o/

Troll comeback?

 

[Bondoila]

Giving archers a chainsnaring/diseasing pet is really a good idea. REALLY.

Blade/Slash changes: Grats on nerfing pierce once again, Mythic ! Why dont they fix/nerf the real issues (ML9 pets for example).

Don't know why they completly fucking up pierc :<. First nerf lw(heaters) then change the s/c to wpn skill debuff and now this. The very fact is also that icestorm will be one of the shortest stuns :<

 

[Valgyr]

lol at all the rangers crying their hearts out here you guys really got hit with the nerf bat this time!!

As hunters are the best stealthers of all, so giving em love isnt realy the way to go no

 

[[VR]Fuji]

Troll comeback?

hell yeah! ;D

 

[Azathrim]

Funny how people call this a nerf to hib pierce.

As far as I noticed, nothing was changed about that style line in a negative way in this patch.

Instead the other lines got an improvement, and you call this a nerf? I think you just want to whine.

Now, you can with reason argue that pierce is less attractive than blades due to the need for double stat. You can argue that you think the pierce artifacts are less useful than the slash artifacts.

But, this patch is not a pierce nerf.

 

[Bondoila]

Funny how people call this a nerf to hib pierce.

As far as I noticed, nothing was changed about that style line in a negative way in this patch.

Instead the other lines got an improvement, and you call this a nerf? I think you just want to whine.

Now, you can with reason argue that pierce is less attractive than blades due to the need for double stat. You can argue that you think the pierce artifacts are less useful than the slash artifacts.

But, this patch is not a pierce nerf.

If they making one line so much better then the other so that one of them will be completly useless to spec in as a stealther, it is a nerf. It's not a direct nerf but it's a indirect one.

 

[Aran Thule]

But, this patch is not a pierce nerf.

Ok give me one good reason to go for pierce over slash?
as fair as i can tell all the advantages that pierce had have been nullified or given the the other lines as well.
Im waiting to hear what (if anything) they do to the bow line and fletching, after giving us an effective 5% damage nerf im hoping thats a prelude for allowing us to make elemental arrows.

 

[Azathrim]

Ok give me one good reason to go for pierce over slash?

Why would I?

I agree, slash is more appealing. Doesn't change the fact that 1.85a is not a pierce nerf.

 

[Aiteal]

lvl 45 disese and garrote hunter pet that hits for 200-250 ish buffed.

hehe
dont forget the abs debuff styles

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v104/snedse/pet.jpg

 

[Puppet]

But, this patch is not a pierce nerf.

Its an indirect nerf. And, you know this aswell, pierce suffered from loads of indirect nerfs in the last 6~ patches. Was it really necessary to remove the single 'advantage' pierce had and give it to blades aswell ?

 

[pip]

LW for the win hehe long wind 3

 

[Azathrim]

Its an indirect nerf. And, you know this aswell, pierce suffered from loads of indirect nerfs in the last 6~ patches. Was it really necessary to remove the single 'advantage' pierce had and give it to blades aswell ?

In the stun changes is an indirect caster nerf as well. Hurraay for finally seeing some caster nerfs!

Uhm... or we could just call a cow a cow and agree that a change like this is not a nerf. But, an improvement to slash/blades/left axe/etc ... in fact. Didn't Pierce get improvements as well?

Oh, you don't think they are enough?

I guess you use the feedback form then - instead of whining about your style line getting improvements.

 

[censi]

Ok give me one good reason to go for pierce over slash?
as fair as i can tell all the advantages that pierce had have been nullified or given the the other lines as well.
Im waiting to hear what (if anything) they do to the bow line and fletching, after giving us an effective 5% damage nerf im hoping thats a prelude for allowing us to make elemental arrows.

i agree generally. but I think the only situation is luri/elf ranger. luri/elf NS isnt gonna have any reason to do it.

but for me. im still just soooo bored of blades I really hate it and im thinking maybe try GS and CW with 400 dex and maybe 320 str ish.

i dunno. it wont be as good and ill be loosing either the battle or malice use2 as I can only have one in offhand slot. and not FZ is nerfed i will need these i win timers.

lol at all the rangers crying their hearts out here you guys really got hit with the nerf bat this time!!

eeben as much as i love you its such like a pointless reply (keep my video hosted though please!) like I think most people are just discussing why they think certain changes are bad and it seems to be being discussed in a real nice way in this post. your post here is like the stereotypical thing some idiot on the yank forums ALWAYS says. honestly your a clever and nice guy, get into the discussion with someone constructive points, even if that goes against the consensus mate.

 

[Straef]

Ok give me one good reason to go for pierce over slash?
as fair as i can tell all the advantages that pierce had have been nullified or given the the other lines as well.
Im waiting to hear what (if anything) they do to the bow line and fletching, after giving us an effective 5% damage nerf im hoping thats a prelude for allowing us to make elemental arrows.

The damage bonus versus chain would be a pro for regular tanks, and I believe both pierce and thrust are viable if you can be bothered working on a good template. I can't really think of any great pro's for stealthers at the moment, but I don't really care for them anyway :>
I wouldn't call it a pierce nerf, even if it makes pierce less attractive to shades/rangers, it might still be viable for other classes.

 

[censi]

well if a change makes it less viable to spec something then you can call it a nerf tbh.

 

[Bondoila]

The damage bonus versus chain would be a pro for regular tanks, and I believe both pierce and thrust are viable if you can be bothered working on a good template. I can't really think of any great pro's for stealthers at the moment, but I don't really care for them anyway :>
I wouldn't call it a pierce nerf, even if it makes pierce less attractive to shades/rangers, it might still be viable for other classes.

Pierc is still nice for bm's, heros to take out support in fg's with but for luri/elf rangers it will just be a pain having to use slash. A class respec would be in it's place tbh or give the option to pick malice, battler as pierc and base the dmg on dex only.

 

[Valgyr]

The damage bonus versus chain would be a pro for regular tanks, and I believe both pierce and thrust are viable if you can be bothered working on a good template. I can't really think of any great pro's for stealthers at the moment, but I don't really care for them anyway :>
I wouldn't call it a pierce nerf, even if it makes pierce less attractive to shades/rangers, it might still be viable for other classes.

With the new FZ change what chance do u think a ranger has in taking on a tank to gain that "thrust" ADVANTAGE? 1 IN 50? 1 IN 100?

 

[Valgyr]

In the stun changes is an indirect caster nerf as well. Hurraay for finally seeing some caster nerfs!

U land ALOT of evade chains vs casters m8!!

 

[Cylian]

as much as I dislike even more stuns, this Ranger/NS whining is priceless

 

[Aiteal]

as much as I dislike even more stuns, this Ranger/NS whining is priceless

I aint whining
But the fact remains that hib pierce has no redeeming qualities whatsoever for hib stealthers when compared to blades.
Personally I can't wait till those Infs that were thrust make run of the mill templates that have malice/champ weapon that they dont reapply env with wonder why they aint hitting hib stealthers as hard as they used to.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Reflection changed to evade for infs.

ABOUT FUCKING TIME

50 Slash, 50 DW... Ouch.

 

[Azathrim]

U land ALOT of evade chains vs casters m8!!

Can you spell "side stun"?

well if a change makes it less viable to spec something then you can call it a nerf tbh.

That's where your logic either got lost or you are just whining. Pierce was not made less viable to spec. In fact it got improvements. Now... blades got made more viable. You just prefer what happened to blades, then go respec. But no abilities were taken away from Pierce. So funny how ns/rangers are on top of the food chain in the stealther department, yet still are whining that their class got an improvement. Geez!

Pierc is still nice for bm's, heros to take out support in fg's with but for luri/elf rangers it will just be a pain having to use slash. A class respec would be in it's place tbh or give the option to pick malice, battler as pierc and base the dmg on dex only.

On paper that sounds reasonable. In practice it's a problem. The slight problem being how you equate the 60 pt difference between dex luri and str kobold. Bad enough luri/elf have a difference to norse/briton when it comes to slash now, but that suggestion would push the problem and increase the gap.