censi said:yep. Im sure lots of assasins will follow suite and quit with you. Hard mode and fotm dont mix.
Yadeniel said:We still can camp bridges in NF, dont see it as hard mode. Just dont see it fun. And if that is the roll of assassins i just dont like it and quit
Tbh, i was expecting NF to be more harder and fun for assassins, but the damn St npc are too powerfull, and all ppl says it, some archers too![]()
Why are they gonna say it when that npc let em be in the wall shooting like the chickens usually archers are?![]()
The moment your class is not superior in anyway (in fact pre-emptive to the patch) you screem like a bitch and flee to the next game in search of something overpowered.
Easy mode has left the building!
Haldar said:personally i want a game with _good_ assasin's roleplay. daoc used to be one - in a short period between 1.50 (when i dinged 50) and 1.54-1.56 (when influx of stealthers became noticeable and we lost IP). what next?....dunno. but currently playing assasin in pen-and-paper rpg (just came from one) and beating Thief game serie another time at hard difficulty setting is more appealing to me..
not easy rps.
stealth.
stealth is a key ability of assasin. and now our stealth isn't best one. another nail in coffin. and a big one....
Yadeniel said:To the rangers:
Maybe i dont have lwrp cos i was playing in gorre all the time or lvling gsv?![]()
Yadeniel said:That i cant understand is..
why the archers have the best range, excellent dmg, still good at melee, and the best st now? so they evade the only class that can kill em.
And assassins dont have any range, just good melee, and regular st in nf...
assassins need the st so they can evade the range and go in melee, and cos we are assassins, the master in the art of hide and assassinate. Not a fuckin archer who only know hide in fuckin treesand they already have camu.
They dont need the best st to critshot a target from 2000+range, but we need the st to perform PAcos we have to take risk when we attack, not like archers
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Yadeniel said:Enigma:
No, i said i usually camp mmg, mmg-mtk, AND IM TIRED TO CAMP, that is why i complain, COS I WANT SIEGE ACTION.
And archer can do it with and without camo in NF.
Bridge isnt a central point? lol
St for assassins is almost gone just cos damn npc guards negate all of it, and rangers will discover u when u trying to ggank that mage etc.. and some of em are so brave that shoot u and run instead of fight
Yadeniel said:That i cant understand is..
why the archers have the best range, excellent dmg, still good at melee, and the best st now? so they evade the only class that can kill em.
And assassins dont have any range, just good melee, and regular st in nf...
assassins need the st so they can evade the range and go in melee, and cos we are assassins, the master in the art of hide and assassinate. Not a fuckin archer who only know hide in fuckin treesand they already have camu.
They dont need the best st to critshot a target from 2000+range, but we need the st to perform PA cos we have to take risk when we attack, not like archers![]()
assassins need the st so they can evade the range and go in melee
Yadeniel said:Enigma:
No, i said i usually camp mmg, mmg-mtk, AND IM TIRED TO CAMP, that is why i complain, COS I WANT SIEGE ACTION.
And archer can do it with and without camo in NF.
Bridge isnt a central point? lol
-Palan- said:why the archers have the best range, excellent dmg, still good at melee, and the best st now? so they evade the only class that can kill em.
so we have the best range soon, now i ask u, what we archers were supposed to kill were casters and pick out stuff from fgs, assassins never were ment to be our most encountered enemy afaik. now casters had been given alot of things to defend demselfs against us, starting with BT, over nearsight, pets, and hell of a cast time wich we archers lately didn't have much to throw up against.
now let me have a look at what u've been facing with archers befor, archers mostly had to rely on IP beeing up vs an assassin, the assassin could choose when to attack the archer as he could see him from miles and could wait on the perfect timing. we had TS (wich will be gone now) another 10RA to be able to see other stealthers, i found it most usefull to make myself a way past milegates or for shooting nice screenies.
u had dragonfang for ages, so to counter that we needed another expensive RA, purge.
are u starting to see where i'm going here?
mythic did their best to make our only prey(?) immune to us by various changes, and changing us so that for when ever we attack or get attacked we need to use some funky expensive fookin30minRA just to get added on after using it wich ends us in druim ligen
and u still whine cuz u actualy have to think about how to kill something now, because of 1(!!!!!!!!!!!) new RA??? u don't even know how it is to play hardmode, so stfu![]()
Matmardigan said:an assasins life HAVE 2 BE HARD, this easy life atm will end but they still will have an equal easy life in NF (Bridges, OF, border and any other keeps). Assasin Classes shouldnt be playable by 10-12 year old kids which get payed their accounts by their parents. An assasin should- and have 2 be an class which is HARD 2 play. But there arent much alb/mid/hib assasins out there wich play the class because they like their class, most ppl play an Assasin because they want be "UBER" and they want gank as much ppl as they can in the shortest possible time. With NF this trend changed 2 "Archers" mostly Scouts, ppl see an new FOTM COOL class and they roll it.
All stealther classes should get an TOTALY NERF that just this ppl will be left which realy want play their chars.
enigma said:Yes, you want to be able to decide when people should be able to see you at all times, even in zergs which is what siege action is. That is obviously not what Mythic wants you to be able to do because it makes the keeps harder to defend than to attack. That was one of the MAIN points that NF was going to fix.
enigma said:No. An archer cannot do it any more than an assassin can unless he's using camo.
I'd like to know where I said that a bridge is NOT a central point. Read, comprehend and then post.
The stealth class you seem to try to play doesn't exist. Mythic is trying to make the stealth game more transparent, that doesn't fit with the old playstyle of the assassins.
enigma said:But guess what, they're not done patching the game.
Archers have best range and good frontloaded damage on critshots and opening shots, but the DPS is very low. Before you respond to that, think THREE times what DPS stands for. If you want more info on archer dps compared to other classes, just say so.
Assassins aren't the only class that can find and kill archers. What other class could effectively find and kill assassins earlier? Other assassins.
Yes, yes, and scouts should be able to scout properly etc etc. Why should you be able to jump archers? You can jump every other class in the game, why archers aswell? The scout/hunter/ranger shouldn't be a blind guy according to their names either. Aha, perhaps how it used to be isn't what it was SUPPOSED to be? To say that a solo archer not in a keep attacking something isn't risking anything is just stupid beyond belief.![]()
censi said:Ofc assasin need that, but think. You want to get close to an archer to attack, he wants you at range to attack.
In the last 2 years in stealth assasin V stealth archer. You either didnt see each other if his camo was up, but you still had detect hidden, yer dont make to much difference there. Or more likely scenario, you see them from around 1000 range, move to them and kill them.
Hmm, as you are all now conceeding, this was somewhat stacked in favour of the assasin. In fact you might say overpowered.
The solution they have implemented in my opinion makes 1v1 encounters between archers and assasins a lot fairer.
Assasin will still be hacking the shit out of archers with superior melee, but you wont be the ones opening the attack (and yes high RR archers with mos5 will be able to put you through the treadmill if they open right).
I do agree though it can spoil certain elements of the game for assasins.
I think we need to wait and see and play NF before we make to many judgements based on gorre.
1 thing I promise, if my class is overpowered V infs, ill admit it.
wittor said:lol fucking whiner , just play the stupid game![]()
Yadeniel said:what the fuck u say ...
Archers do a lot of dmg, too much dmg from range, and u saying u only can kill mages? LOL ofc, cos maybe tanks and other class need more than 2 or 3arrows? wow...