1.72G Ranger and Hunter love

[Lothandar]

Why would assasins stop playing the game, they can buy mos too


moo :<

 

[Chadalonius]

U again compare urself to mages, u are really showing that u want wtfshoot for 500+ every sec like em. They only have dmg from range and when they arent interrupted, so they must make nice dmg, still a bit overpowered imo. But u cant compare ur dmg to mages, u have better armor, u can melee, etc..

But we don't have PBT, brittle guards, intercepting pets, healing pets etc. Some casters have better defence than archers nad do twice as much damage. Maybe they can't melee but they don't need to, hell we had a thread a couple of weeks ago with casters whinging about LoS problems on someone meleeing them. As far as I'm concerned it should be impossible to cast if someone standing in front of you striking you with a large metal object.

They're the overpowered ones not assassins or archers.

Assassins really shouldn't worry, they're doing fine in the US and they will do fine here.

 

[Phule_Gubben]

Kill mages as assassin: The SM intercept our PA too, and stun (i sometimes killed the pet before the mage due to this, and dmg on pet sucks a bit) , etc.. if u dont use ML9 poison.. u can use zephyr in some of em too , anyways they will MoC LT u if they can.

All spiritmasters have moc and lifetap u say. That is so false.

Ever tried to face a Cabalist? Didn't think so.

All pet classes are strong some more then others ofc. But that's why they have pets, The most stupid petclass is IMO. the Necromancer.

But since we discuss Archers I'd say that against petsclasses the easiest opponent is the Spiritmaster due to the lack of ranged attacks on the pet.

 

[zx^]

All spiritmasters have moc and lifetap u say. That is so false.

Ever tried to face a Cabalist? Didn't think so.

All pet classes are strong some more then others ofc. But that's why they have pets, The most stupid petclass is IMO. the Necromancer.

But since we discuss Archers I'd say that against petsclasses the easiest opponent is the Spiritmaster due to the lack of ranged attacks on the pet.

necro? depends .. can u call a shroom a pet?

 

[enigma]

I think all the denfed things, healers guards etc is enough to make a better defense, anyways have u played the last days in gorre, they are all the day sieging Dun crauchon, it had a whole wall destroyed, lost the towers and still there, perma siege of some days and still didnt take it

And? They are inside and have more cover than the ones on the outside trying to get in.

MoS must negate the target mos in some range, at least that was the idea i have of it, but isnt working on test server. My infils with mos5 should negate a Mos5 archer and have advantage of 150range due to detect hidden, but the archers see my infil.. I read FAST, and post FAST cos i dont want waste too much time here, + my english is usually good, but not perfect and i can miss somethings.

MoS doesn't negate anything. It only detects. Assassin MoS does stack with DH, so they have that advantage. The reason they see you is because of the 3 second pulse the stealth detection is on. You move into their range because of that. If you line up, stand still and move towards eachother carefully and check, the assassin WILL detect the archer first.

DPs is too low? wtf.. they hit like a truck, and every 2seconds normal shots i u have decent gear. And i dont have to think it, cos i parsed some DPS in Everquest etc..

LOL, wth does everquest DPS have to do with daoc DPS? Go to critshot.com and look at the sticky threads on the scout forum. There you will find a DPS comparison. Go read up and you'll find out how archery works, since you obviously don't know. Archery have big hits yes, but the speed isn't comparable to melee or casters with the same TOA boni.

U saying assassins werent the only class able to find archers and kill em, and u answer assassins... hmm?

Read again. Earlier, assassins where the only ones who could find and kill both assassins and archers. Now, both assassins and archers can.

Why they should be inmune to a class main line spec? Why they need the best st if they depend on ranger, where u dont need the best st use bow as THE ARCHERS THEY ARE, ARCHERS.

They depend on MoS to survive, you do not depend on MoS to kill. Your melee is STILL stronger and somehow assassins in the US still manage to kill archers, despite MoS.

Anyways they will fall for their own weight. Just wait a see the amount of fotm scouts, at USA was funny, just time, and when the nerf bat hits, it hits too strong.

If it hits, it will be range and invulnerability when in keeps that will be adressed, perhaps a tweak to FZ.

 

[Yadeniel]

@mat
ich find das voll süß in groß siehts aber besser aus

@yad
i never ever said i wanna shoot for 500dmg every sec or what, it was u that said that we do such uber dmg!i just pointed out what our dmg is compared to uber dmg
i sometimes hit harder in melee than i would with my bow. and i hit more often and faster aswell.

about the leeching, well ye thats kinda true we can leech from range till a assassin stealths up to us and gets a perfect PA on us as we're busy leechin our asses of

comparing BG scouts and playing on gorre for a few weeks with the normal life of an archer is like

...U think an assassin is god?...
well, u had it easy mode for ages(while fighting archers). and during a few patches u guys actualy could have replaced god with ur uberness
just wait for NF to go life and then try it out with ur normal chars, with normal equipment, normal zerging conditions,buffs etc. should be fun, even for u nerfed to oblivion (whining)assassin who can't live with mos

there will be some skill full assassins who can figure out a way to live with mos, don't think yad will be one of em tho, he rather gives up even befor it realy all starts

ofc ofc.

And u can u say ur spec pls?
And ur RAs? well, i bet u dont have much bow RAs, just the spare points, so u arent focus on bow, what u expect?
I saw a movie of an archer focused on bow, no IP , no TS; just bow RAs, and it roxxor, real dmg there.


Vodka: Only some warder alb tanks go straigh vs an assassin and continue : P

"And? They are inside and have more cover than the ones on the outside trying to get in."

And u think the reason is cos infils have bad st, so they cant gank the zerg . U said they give us bad st so the keep defense is better than attack keeps... still dont understand it

"MoS doesn't negate anything."

That is the problem on MoS.

"LOL, wth does everquest DPS have to do with daoc DPS? Go to critshot.com and look at the sticky threads on the scout forum. There you will find a DPS comparison. Go read up and you'll find out how archery works, since you obviously don't know. Archery have big hits yes, but the speed isn't comparable to melee or casters with the same TOA boni."

U asked me for dps and i said u i know what it is and why i know it. Well, maybe u could train Bow RAs when u expect do good dmg with bow, liek i said before i saw one movie of an archer critshotting with only2sec delay i think, he could double critshot the targets. And he was doing some crits for 1000+. Scout rr5, no IP, TS, just bow RAs.

"Read again. Earlier, assassins where the only ones who could find and kill both assassins and archers. Now, both assassins and archers can"

U tested SL? archers can find assassins In NF all will be able to find others, but the RA negate the PA chain, a whole main spec line. And yeah, we dont need it cos we wtfpwn all in melee, (if we survive the zephyr) then we have to deal with 150% life target.. fair for u? ofc.

"They depend on MoS to survive, you do not depend on MoS to kill. Your melee is STILL stronger and somehow assassins in the US still manage to kill archers, despite MoS."

Are we speaking about archers? WHY U NEED THE BEST ST WHEN U HAVE TO ATTACK FROM 2000+range AND U DO IT FROM WALLS TOWERS ETC, yeah, the assassin dotn need it, when they have to go infront of the target to perform PA... ofc..



"If it hits, it will be range and invulnerability when in keeps that will be adressed, perhaps a tweak to FZ"

Can u say me why they gave SH to infils? that is your answer. And they did it again, and they will need to overnerf again archers like they did, cos they were killing all they want without risks.

 

[Vodkafairy]

well you might not kill off a tank but they should definitely not be able to kill you this patch..

 

[Yadeniel]

All spiritmasters have moc and lifetap u say. That is so false.

Ever tried to face a Cabalist? Didn't think so.

All pet classes are strong some more then others ofc. But that's why they have pets, The most stupid petclass is IMO. the Necromancer.

But since we discuss Archers I'd say that against petsclasses the easiest opponent is the Spiritmaster due to the lack of ranged attacks on the pet.

Hello? i have a caby, and i killed a hunter rr7 when i was at 2% and he wasted full life and IP

The necromancer is the worst mage class.

Lack of range attacks on pet? what the others have? except the ruby pet and it sucks.

 

[Yadeniel]

But we don't have PBT, brittle guards, intercepting pets, healing pets etc. Some casters have better defence than archers nad do twice as much damage. Maybe they can't melee but they don't need to, hell we had a thread a couple of weeks ago with casters whinging about LoS problems on someone meleeing them. As far as I'm concerned it should be impossible to cast if someone standing in front of you striking you with a large metal object.

They're the overpowered ones not assassins or archers.

Assassins really shouldn't worry, they're doing fine in the US and they will do fine here.

Brittle thing just sucks, nerf :/

 

[enigma]

I played a scout, i have a scout for BG , and played it a lot in gorre. I know the game and i know the scout.

You do NOT know the scout just by playing on gorre, lol.

U think an assassin is god?

U compare ur dmg to mages, we are sts not mages, we all know mages are overpowered now, i have a caby and it is insane how fast he cast and the dmg she do, insane. And i will never do so much dmg like tanks with my infil too, at least the decent tanks. U cant ask to be in same dmg as mages and tanks

Kill mages as assassin: The SM intercept our PA too, and stun (i sometimes killed the pet before the mage due to this, and dmg on pet sucks a bit) , etc.. if u dont use ML9 poison.. u can use zephyr in some of em too , anyways they will MoC LT u if they can. BDs are just lame, u can gank em with mezz and disease, but the ones who know a bit more than spam LT, use purge, or moc..
If u are too far away they cant face u well and they will die before they NS u..

/face range > archery range except when it's close to the edge of the archers range when the archer is in an elevated position and gets the height bonus. Archers face their targets too, you probably know, since you know the game and you know the scout and all. If the caster can't face you, just run the opposite dir of the arrow that's in you(or away from the hill that's near you since that IS where the archer will be) and you'll be out of range in about 2.5 secs.

You know the game and you know the scout. Right?

Lifetap? at least u can get out of range sometimes, hib mages = stun+nuke nuke nuke zzZzZzz

So, then just don't attack them unless you have purge up. You get to chose when to attack, right? If you didn't chose, then too bad, shit happens..

And if they send pets to u, the mages die while the pet is inc, ifnot just run, end chant pot and run till he get bored

They might die if they run towards you while you attack them at max range, yes. But if they take a step back, the archer is out of range and the pet is on way to the archer. Atleast an assassin doesn't have to think about the target getting away in the same way an archer has to.

With my infil if i get a pet on me while the target in far away i just run, st and use soem tricks to get PA off, u must have something to counter U can just st, (when they have pet on u they usually try to be near the pet, dunno why, then u just sprint the short range, zephyr etc.. it is a mage, u can kill it on melee).

Why ask? "I know the game and i know the scout." -Yadeniel(in a slip of the tongue.) Though what you suggested really depends on range and a caster usually throws some type of CC at you that will take away a few seconds even if you use purge.

Just a Q: Does Vanish work against pets? It should do, right, since it has a superstealth component for a few secs?

Well, u think tanks are easy for assassins?
A shield tank will slam u, if u dont have purge be rdy to eat for 500+ from back. We purge it and have to face a melee with more hps, more ws (A LOT MORE, 1000WS), he can IP, etc..
If they are zerkers they will pop bear mode
If they are savages... well...
And all of em eat PA for 400-500, "assassination" style and parry block ur stun if u cant get their back before they face.

You can kite and we can kite. Except we don't have snare poison that doesn't have an immunity timer.. Archers don't kill tanks easily and neither does assassins. Though both classes are capable of it against stupid tanks.

Mincers mincers... skalds will do u the same, just hitting ur ass with 2hand instead of 1hand and sucky shield

They can run out of range, but u can leech from a lot of range too, add to fights without any risk, or shoot and run, etc etc..
[/quite]

True, archers are better leechers. But are very vulnerable to interrupts and a group that isn't totally sleeping know how to use them on archers, so it's not without risk.

How i will explain it to u. I rolled an infil cos i like it . U didnt read my last post? And was 50%infil or scout, at start just gone to rogue, at lvl5 was between scout or infil and chose infil, when my infil was lvl6, i raised an scout to 5, but was too boring to spam bow all the time, and it was fun to go to the back of mods and boom, half life gone so i continued my infil. Never heard they were WTFUBER so i chose it to be WTFUBER. ALready explained it.

When did you roll your infil? I can't recall seeing you back when everyone didn't know infs where WTFUBER. Just a q.

 

[Aussie]

buy my scout yadeniel

 

[-Palan-]

rofl!

2sec critshot drawtime and hitting for 1000+dmg gotta see that guy

only bow RAs? u want me to spend all my RApoints on falconseye? like FE15 or what? theres only 2RAs wich would increase our bow damage, the above mentioned falcons eye, wich increases our chance to crit on a normal shot and aug dex :eek2:

now if u don't know, critshot and crits on normal shots are two different things. u Can't get a crit on a crit shot, like u could crit on a PA.
my cap crit dmg with immolated bow and 370dex is 1147dmg iirc, at a 4sec draw time.now try and figure out how often i get to critshot something(remember i can't release a critshot on a moving, incombat,blocking, BTed, intercepted target etc)

with current toa bonuses and resists, the highest i ever hit with my 5.8spd bow was on some SB for 900dmg. i use foolsbow for normal RvR wich is faster, has DoT proc and hell of alot less dmg. at 4.9spd my crti cap with it is around 9xxdmg, in normal RvR i crit tanks or such with it from 500-700dmg max.

hope this enlightnened u about our dmg.
btw 45+17bow spec so don't tell me i should spec it higher, as then all my other lines would get too low, but u don't get these problems with 2.5spec points and half as many lines to spec in :touch:

 

[censi]

I saw a movie of an archer focused on bow, no IP , no TS; just bow RAs, and it roxxor, real dmg there.

you saw a collection of footage taken over months of a scout duel critting and capping damage on soft targets. What you didnt see is how that scout faired against assasins that poped him with SH and crip+s/c debuff. Because in a word he would have got wtf pwned. That vid shows the class at its best but doesnt give you an indication of what the main problems are in playing a scout.

Atm ask a NS what his free RP is. Answer hunters and scouts. NS will literlly tear these new Aholes.

Ask a SB and he will say scouts and rangers.

ask an inf....

Mind you the spec and playstyle of that scout was pretty good and to be honest most alb scouts get drawn into the MG's like flies to shit, when they should be staying back at clip and doing what that guy does.

 

[enigma]

"And? They are inside and have more cover than the ones on the outside trying to get in."

And u think the reason is cos infils have bad st, so they cant gank the zerg . U said they give us bad st so the keep defense is better than attack keeps... still dont understand it

NOW they have better cover inside. After NF. It's you who don't understand.

"MoS doesn't negate anything."

That is the problem on MoS.

No, that's how it is intended. If it hadn't been like that you'd have to spend even more points into MoS for nothing. It would make too much of a differance between high and low RR players.

"LOL, wth does everquest DPS have to do with daoc DPS? Go to critshot.com and look at the sticky threads on the scout forum. There you will find a DPS comparison. Go read up and you'll find out how archery works, since you obviously don't know. Archery have big hits yes, but the speed isn't comparable to melee or casters with the same TOA boni."

U asked me for dps and i said u i know what it is and why i know it. Well, maybe u could train Bow RAs when u expect do good dmg with bow, liek i said before i saw one movie of an archer critshotting with only2sec delay i think, he could double critshot the targets. And he was doing some crits for 1000+. Scout rr5, no IP, TS, just bow RAs.

The Ayuko video. 3 str relics and it's not 2.0 seconds. It's just below 3 seconds, thus displayed to 2 sec drawtime. It's not actually 2.0 sec drawtime. And targets have to stand still, not be BT providing classes, not be in combat mode, not have a high evade/blockrate. That doesn't give high guaranteed DPS. And even when chaining critshots the DPS isn't that overwhelming, allthough ok. Check the DPS comparison threads! Oh, and he has TS.

"Read again. Earlier, assassins where the only ones who could find and kill both assassins and archers. Now, both assassins and archers can"

U tested SL? archers can find assassins In NF all will be able to find others, but the RA negate the PA chain, a whole main spec line. And yeah, we dont need it cos we wtfpwn all in melee, (if we survive the zephyr) then we have to deal with 150% life target.. fair for u? ofc.

Are you comparing archers with SL and TS to assassins with detect hidden, probably see hidden, AND SL? Two timered abilities against 2 passive and one on a timer? And no, the entire CS chain isn't negated since there are other styles than PA there. FZ isn't balanced in its current form, I give you that. But you know it's not impossible for assassins to chew through 150% hp.

"They depend on MoS to survive, you do not depend on MoS to kill. Your melee is STILL stronger and somehow assassins in the US still manage to kill archers, despite MoS."

Are we speaking about archers? WHY U NEED THE BEST ST WHEN U HAVE TO ATTACK FROM 2000+range AND U DO IT FROM WALLS TOWERS ETC, yeah, the assassin dotn need it, when they have to go infront of the target to perform PA... ofc..

Why do you have to be able to PA every class? You can still kill an archer without PA. Atleast other assassins can. The range archers have is nullified by your formerly superior stealth. Both classes are stealthers and Mythic seems to want to make both able to hunt eachother and not have one rule that world. And there's nothing that prevents you from using ranged DD charges to interrupt an archer firing at you. If you're not standing still all the time they'll only get one hit in if you are using DD charges.

"If it hits, it will be range and invulnerability when in keeps that will be adressed, perhaps a tweak to FZ"

Can u say me why they gave SH to infils? that is your answer. And they did it again, and they will need to overnerf again archers like they did, cos they were killing all they want without risks.

No, the thing people are complaining about is being pincushioned in keepfights. Not snipers that run away. THAT's why they gave SH to infils.

 

[Aussie]

with current toa bonuses and resists, the highest i ever hit with my 5.8spd bow was on some SB for 900dmg.

poor you.

 

[Lothandar]

I got critshotted by a scout for 755 damage.


Gimped damage indeed.

 

[enigma]

I got critshotted by a scout for 755 damage.


Gimped damage indeed.

Could be gimp char too for all we know.

You're not the only one. Any archer has had big hits in some way. Though their targets were less than fully buffed/shields down/afdebuffed/absorb debuffed/rez sick/etc. There's always a reason to why you're hit hard.

/shrug

 

[Aussie]

I got critshotted by a scout for 755 damage.

who says it was a critshot?

 

[Yadeniel]

Enigma: I would answer u, but i dotn have time to answer u when u only trying to laugh and nothing more..

"Originally Posted by Yadeniel
I played a scout(MAYBE IN EMAIN OF??), i have a scout for BG , and played it a lot in gorre. I know the game and i know the scout. "

And u answer...

"You do NOT know the scout just by playing on gorre, lol"

Finished reading ur post after that

buy my scout yadeniel

never


Palan: There isnt a bow RA to fire faster i think? just a question, that isnt DPS?.

U complain about u have so many lines to spec? well, at least u have the DW thing that cut evade block in half, not liek scouts hunters, and u get proc off faster, like the one from heater? :/
So yes, u saying hey, imnto gonna spec bow more cos i will gimp my melee dmg? well, u are an archer, if u want do awesome dmg with bow u must spec on it, if u dont spend ur points there then dont ask to do excellent dmg.

And about drawn time, braggats bow let u shoot for 2sec, and excellent dmg, a scout telled me that a long time ago.
370dex? u celt? dex cap?..

Censi: We are speaking about bow dmg there, and that guy was awesome there and we all know scouts are really gimped in melee .

 

[Chadalonius]

As someone has already said the time if says for firing is rounded down so a 2.9s draw time would be written as 2s.

Nobody can fire Braggarts every 2s (without rapid firing which halves damage).

That Ayuko video is impressive but it was a collection of successful attacks.

I got critshotted by a scout for 755 damage.

So? I've been PA'd by Varg for 1450. I've been completely killed by many a caster in about 3s. Scout damage is nothing special, not that it's gimped either.

 

[Matmardigan]

I know the game and i know the scout. "

Palan: There isnt a bow RA to fire faster i think? just a question, that isnt DPS?.

And about drawn time, braggats bow let u shoot for 2sec, and excellent dmg, a scout telled me that a long time ago.
370dex? u celt? dex cap?..

sorry have 2 corect u, if u would know the Scout u would know the RA which let u shot faster.

The RA is called Hail of Blows

get HoB 3 and u can reach 1.5s draw time with every Bow which is in game even with Immolated Bow which have an 5.8 speed

edit: the 1.5s draw time will display as 2seconds

 

[Yadeniel]

You do NOT know the scout just by playing on gorre, lol.



/face range > archery range except when it's close to the edge of the archers range when the archer is in an elevated position and gets the height bonus. Archers face their targets too, you probably know, since you know the game and you know the scout and all. If the caster can't face you, just run the opposite dir of the arrow that's in you(or away from the hill that's near you since that IS where the archer will be) and you'll be out of range in about 2.5 secs.

You know the game and you know the scout. Right?



So, then just don't attack them unless you have purge up. You get to chose when to attack, right? If you didn't chose, then too bad, shit happens..



They might die if they run towards you while you attack them at max range, yes. But if they take a step back, the archer is out of range and the pet is on way to the archer. Atleast an assassin doesn't have to think about the target getting away in the same way an archer has to.



Why ask? "I know the game and i know the scout." -Yadeniel(in a slip of the tongue.) Though what you suggested really depends on range and a caster usually throws some type of CC at you that will take away a few seconds even if you use purge.

Just a Q: Does Vanish work against pets? It should do, right, since it has a superstealth component for a few secs?



You can kite and we can kite. Except we don't have snare poison that doesn't have an immunity timer.. Archers don't kill tanks easily and neither does assassins. Though both classes are capable of it against stupid tanks.

Mincers mincers... skalds will do u the same, just hitting ur ass with 2hand instead of 1hand and sucky shield

They can run out of range, but u can leech from a lot of range too, add to fights without any risk, or shoot and run, etc etc..
[/quite]

True, archers are better leechers. But are very vulnerable to interrupts and a group that isn't totally sleeping know how to use them on archers, so it's not without risk.



When did you roll your infil? I can't recall seeing you back when everyone didn't know infs where WTFUBER. Just a q.

Nerf i cant log bb now

I will answer u.

I always see where are archers checking the arrows in my body...
Face usually dont work, and pets have some agro range, so if they are far away than that range , u can face em and ur pet wont attack em.
Get decent armor, template, and if a caster escape from ur range before die... delete Y E S pls

Dotn attack em? lol, that is ur answer to base stun hib mages?


Omg, enough for me, i got tired. Btw, what class u play? ...

 

[Yadeniel]

sorry have 2 corect u, if u would know the Scout u would know the RA which let u shot faster.

The RA is called Hail of Blows

get HoB 3 and u can reach 1.5s draw time with every Bow which is in game even with Immolated Bow which have an 5.8 speed

edit: the 1.5s draw time will display as 2seconds

Lol, pathetic try of flame.

Who care i dont know the name? i know what the class can do, that is the important thing. ^


Btw, some archers or an archer here i sayign he cant shoot so fast, and u say u can get 1.5shoot time with every bow...

Someone of the 2wannabeflamers is wrong /laugh


Mat VS Palan

FIGHT!!


Im tired, give me a rest, 3-4 vs me all the time, damn Hroft help me

 

[Matmardigan]

Lol, pathetic try of flame.

Who care i dont know the name? i know what the class can do, that is the important thing. ^


Btw, some archers or an archer here i sayign he cant shoot so fast, and u say u can get 1.5shoot time with every bow...

Someone of the 2wannabeflamers is wrong /laugh


Mat VS Palan

FIGHT!!


Im tired, give me a rest, 3-4 vs me all the time, damn Hroft help me

i dont flame u, and i dont want start an insulting discusion. But u Superbrain dont know anything about archers, if u would know something then u would know that Rangers cant get Hail of Blows so Palan dont have 2 know it because he dont have and he cant get the RA.

So plz do me a favor and dont talk about archers. Stick 2 ur infil and talk about infils, maybe u know something about them.

 

[Matmardigan]

nerf edit timer.

Mastery of Archery is the main speed increase ability which all archers can get.

 

[Phule_Gubben]

Hello? i have a caby, and i killed a hunter rr7 when i was at 2% and he wasted full life and IP

The necromancer is the worst mage class.

Lack of range attacks on pet? what the others have? except the ruby pet and it sucks.

LoL.. you just proved my point there.

"Hello? i have a caby, and i killed a hunter rr7 when i was at 2% and he wasted full life and IP"

try compare that to a spiritmaster and you'll see what i meant.

 

[Haldar]

Im tired, give me a rest, 3-4 vs me all the time, damn Hroft help me

dont see a point - as this talk wont change anything.

 

[wittor]

bump

 

[Chadalonius]

I don't think Master of Archery gets you anywhere near the 1.5s cap. At lvl 5 it will increase speed by 15% - besides its gone in NF anyway.

 

[-Palan-]

and mastery of archery cuts down ur dmg afaik.

aussie, i actualy got to shoot slytale for 1028 in a duel... but vs spec AF etc our dmg won't get as close to ur 50+20bow i guess
does 5more bow spec won't be that much more dmg, compared to the usefull more CD or pierce i could get.

and ye, i'm celt without +25dex cap never intend to be the "sniper".

off to work now, and keep this thread going, always puts a smile on my face when i read thru this