wtf are we gone get now ?

[Gazon]

Thorwyn is a very wise man.

 

[MaditioN]

damnit i wanna postfarm also!!111111

 

[Gazon]

Where are all the outraged Mids who say they are quitting because Albs AC'd Hib relic? Doesn't the 10% disadvantage count for them too?

I wonder why they aren't posting.

 

[swords]

Maybe because you consistantly seem to go for the Hib relic?
I find it amusing that people are QQing because we only play as a guild 2 nights a week. We work, attend uni and have a RL in general!

I would attend a prime time relic raid if it were not for the following points:
1. Primetime relic raids are a myth at the moment...
2. I can only play 2 nights a week for a few hours as I am a final year uni student with a number of exams very soon (work > play).
3. I'm pretty sure I read something earlier here about us being banned from that sort of thing

If all you people who supposedly don't like ACing but now feel like doing a bit of ACing since we're traitorous scum then you do realise that you are exactly like those who AC raid anyway? You'll be doing what you say you disagree with here just to give us a good ole fuck you? well go ahead, I dare you, go take Mids relics, go on. At least have the balls to stand up for what you believe in (even if it means participating in an AC raid). Then come back to me and MAYBE you will understand WHY we did what we did.

 

[brad]

Reckon all these people supporting ac raids are gonna whine hibgard again if mids/hibs get their act together one day?

Think they will. I look forward to it when it happens ;p

 

[Lucao]

Ah yes, you can't attend primtetime relic raids and you can't handle the fact that Albs took relics within the CoC, you can't take it that it's a 24/7 so you feel the need to make a decision for the whole realm? Selfish little brats like you have no place in our community.

 

[Garbannoch]

Erm I just arrived on IRC and 1 guy from BF ( only 1 guy is playing from BF ) just told me that he is getting flamed in pm's and is being emoted on from other idiot albs for no fucking reason because of that keep, I guess it is because we are in the same alliance as TT.

He is quite tired of it since he dont have anything to do with it and not to mention that he's a nice guy who will never flame or abuse someone. You treat to ban him from arti and ml raids for no reason. Today he got abused so much ingame and he still didn't said one bad word back at the people who pm'ed him with all that bullshit. This shows how sad your little life is.

So for all you random malaria albs who really like to flame pm me instead of him. I LOVE getting involved in those conversations, it will give me a damn good laugh and the best part of it is that I really don't care what you are gonne tell me in pm since I couldnt care less about some random retard roleplaying alb who cries over a stupid keep.

@topic starter:

Comparing jihad and concentration camps to all of this is just to funny, if I was you I would call the mental clinic and stay there for a while because something is totally wrong in your head if you start comparing those things with a video game.

Don't think it has anything to do with being in the same alliance as TT - more with hadning over the keep to TT.

The thing here is that whatever TT does it will not stop albs from ACing relics. Why? Because I am quite sure that the majority of the albs who took the relic do not read FH. Moreover they are now pissed off and the amount of people ready to do such raids has increased due to the current events.

Protesting against the AC raid is a good thing imo but the way it was done was counterproductive. Forcing a stance upon other people won't work (see the ACed str relic) but will rather cause grief and anger that will have various consequences. The hatred will not only be directed against TT but also Black Falcons who handed the keep over to TT as well as Guts & Glory, which majorily consists of BF members.

I also think that TT's way of ridiculing the alb community didn't help their purpose - sure it made them popular among hibs and mids, which apparently was the only purpose in the first place. I am sure if they would have just released the keep it would have had a much more positive effect. I am certain that other guilds would have followed or at least it would have made them think about the situation.

 

[charmangle]

Eh...

Ah yes, you can't attend primtetime relic raids and you can't handle the fact that Albs took relics within the CoC, you can't take it that it's a 24/7 so you feel the need to make a decision for the whole realm? Selfish little brats like you have no place in our community.

Hmm...grow up, cut your hair, and get a job, then come back and talk about little brats!

And if there is anyone who doesnt have anything to do in OUR community its those who think they can decide who should be there or not! Wouldnt you agree?

/Charmangle

 

[Gahn]

Ah yes, you can't attend primtetime relic raids and you can't handle the fact that Albs took relics within the CoC, you can't take it that it's a 24/7 so you feel the need to make a decision for the whole realm? Selfish little brats like you have no place in our community.

Who the fuck are u btw? "Our" Community lol woot's that u and your imaginific friend? -.-

 

[dub]

games are funny , to play against people demands a mutual agrement to play together

 

[Lucao]

My hair is short enough as it is tyvm 'Charmangle', and I also have a job, so please stfu and as Bluesky would say, get a cluepon.

 

[swords]

Don't think it has anything to do with being in the same alliance as TT - more with hadning over the keep to TT.

The thing here is that whatever TT does it will not stop albs from ACing relics. Why? Because I am quite sure that the majority of the albs who took the relic do not read FH. Moreover they are now pissed off and the amount of people ready to do such raids has increased due to the current events.

Protesting against the AC raid is a good thing imo but the way it was done was counterproductive. Forcing a stance upon other people won't work (see the ACed str relic) but will rather cause grief and anger that will have various consequences. The hatred will not only be directed against TT but also Black Falcons who handed the keep over to TT as well as Guts & Glory, which majorily consists of BF members.

I also think that TT's way of ridiculing the alb community didn't help their purpose - sure it made them popular among hibs and mids, which apparently was the only purpose in the first place. I am sure if they would have just released the keep it would have had a much more positive effect. I am certain that other guilds would have followed or at least it would have made them think about the situation.

Just releasing the keep would have done nothing, it would have been claimed shortly after.

 

[Arethir]

Gogo peeps, only 35 pages this far, we can do it! Up to 100 we go!

 

[swords]

games are funny , to play against people demands a mutual agrement to play together

Very true, example:

''Would you like to play a game of chess with me?''
''Yes, certainly''

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Okey lets try this.

Say TT ugrade keep to lvl 9 again and you manage to skillfully PvE the mids relics also.
You break port to DC, crim and bolg. You also break port to bled nott and blend.

So the result is not many hibs cba to take a boat to their own frontier to get zerged at the docks. No solo ppl, and not many FGs left. The casual hib zerg will get zerged by the alb zerg since you obviously have a higher population and 6 relics. You also have better zergwarfare classes as in Wizards, heretics and sorcs.

Mids population ain't that high either, so they will probably react in a similar manner, less and less ppl cba to rvr if it means having to take a boat somewhere to get zerged, it's bad enough teleporting then get zerged.


Is this the RvR situation you want? Is the goal to kill off the server quicker?

A simpel Yes or No answer is fine.

 

[Z^^]

out of prime time raids are NOT against the spirit of the game.

they can be inconvenient for YOU !!!

what TT does is fucking their entire whole own realm where everybody sees it and noone can do something about the choise of 1 GM.

AC can be inconventient.

this is escalation...

this is where i am asking party for bans and a roleback if we lose the hib power relic due to TT seting the target level of the keep to 1 and thus giving away the relic.

THIS is against the spirit of the game.

They pay their own subs and can do whatever they want with their keep.

 

[Kinetix]

Just releasing the keep would have done nothing, it would have been claimed shortly after.

MAYBE

but doing this:

Did you prove/change anything?: No
Did you get more anger from albs and more AC RRs and bad rep: yes

 

[rawr]

I am sure if they would have just released the keep it would have had a much more positive effect. I am certain that other guilds would have followed or at least it would have made them think about the situation.

I think this is right at the core of this discussion tbh; the way those that oppose what TT are doing are ranting on about ruining their fun etc - what is to stop them merely ACing again? Nothing, as unless they have a think about what TT have done and why they are doing it, it is all pointless. Even if TT releases the keep or upgrades it to level 10 now, those that wanted it that way will be happy, and that will be the end of this situation for them. I really doubt they would stop to think and appreciate what TT were trying to say, even if they like to claim they did - what then? It is too late and any discussion will probably be ignored from this point onward. The majority will consider that the community allows such destructive acts, and therefore they will continue to do them. TT's methods are questionable but atleast they are raising a point before it is too late, as those that AC'd the relic were going to do it anyway and will probably want to do it again too; it's these people that this discussion is trying to reach. Fighting against TT and forcing a divide between the community is not going to make things better, it will make them worse.

 

[Kinetix]

. Fighting against TT and forcing a divide between the community is not going to make things better, it will make them worse.

Making a keep lvl1 enforcing it on other players dosent make it better also, but did that stoped them from doing it?

 

[charmangle]

Making a keep lvl1 enforcing it on other players dosent make it better also, but did that stoped them from doing it?

Mate, as they stated it wasnt supposed to make them stop doing anything. But to get a discussion going and making a point!

And that it did indeed didnt it...3 threads 40+ posts in atleast one of them and the other 2 are going strong...

So Id say the action did what it was supposed to do...

/Charmangle

 

[Kinetix]

Mate, as they stated it wasnt supposed to make them stop doing anything. But to get a discussion going and making a point!

And that it did indeed didnt it...3 threads 40+ posts in atleast one of them and the other 2 are going strong...

So Id say the action did what it was supposed to do...

/Charmangle

This type of discussion have been done in the past. Sure, it didnt get this proportion but lets face it have you seen acts? i´ve just seen words.

 

[Gahn]

MAYBE

but doing this:

Did you prove/change anything?: No
Did you get more anger from albs and more AC RRs and bad rep: yes

They proved a lot instead.

 

[Kinetix]

They proved a lot instead.

They did? please enlighten me then cause i pbbly missed them

 

[Z^^]

Isn´t it ironic, that after 5 years of DAoC, we have to realise, that the biggest design flaw of this game are actually the people who´re playing it? The ammount of gallic acid being spilled all over the place here and in the other threads about this relic is enouh to denaturate an entire annual production of spanish red wine. FG mavins accusing the zerglings of killing the game, playing their usual "honour, respect and community" card. The zerglings accusing the FG mavins of being elitist pricks and TT traitors of the realm for ... um... paying their subs and playing as they want to!?
Now, the oh so badly mauled Hibs are fed up, leaving Excal, heading to the shores of a german server (seriously, how desperate do you have to be!?). This, of course, doesn´t stop some of them from merrily hitting F5 and replying to every post with the same arguments, which are nothing else but encapsulated flames and foaming wrath.
("Haha.. we´re leaving! Have fun in PvE! You won! You´re to blame, nerner. Btw, did we mention that we are leaving? We´re playing Avalon now. Great Server! Lets go! CU! Theehehe!")

Time to step back and take a deep breath....
Does anyone here actually see, that "the community" hasn´t been destroyed by either side, but that there IS no community and that there never really was one?
The FG part of the "community" is leaving. So what? Why would anyone from the non-FG part of the "community" want to stop them? They´re not going to interfere with each other anyways, except for the rare occasions of a large scale RvR event or when the FG mavins are bored enough to go and farm the zerglings on Beno bridge. Why would they want them to stay here? Just to keep the server population higher?
And the zerglings? They´re hissing and screaming against TT for lowering the level of the relic keep. So what? Why should anyone from the FG part of the "community" care? They´re not going to interfere with them anyways.

Let´s stop the self-deception for once, shall we. BOTH sides are fooking responsible that this server is going down, because they´re haggling and fighting over a ridiculous couple of pixels and a damage bonus, which, in the end is just a symbol of their inability to tolerate the other side. It´s not a monocausal thing. All of us are somehow responsible, either by looking down and yelling at the n00b zerglings, or by not giving a damn about the 1337 pricks.
Mythic should have addressed the problems at some point in the past. They didn´t, relying on the self-healing abilities of a community... which never happened. They could have stopped it either by supporting the alternative playstyles, designing workarounds to cater them, or by eliminating them.

So ppl who have been zerged for years and finnaly they get a rumor of good 8v8 on another server, - and lame n00b alb zerglings taking relics to their castles to be less rp cows for the glory of the roleplaying /lol 1rp
finnaly its someone to blame and its surely not the pve'ers who have done anything wrong ever.. leeching their with their n00bzergs everywhere and never understood the finer parts of rvr..

 

[swords]

With the servers decline this is the poker equivalent of going all in on the next hand. If you don't you might not hit a good hand and bleed all your chips on your blinds. Double up or go out trying.
Its realy up to our opponents now, do you enjoy this game enough to do the right thing?

 

[Gahn]

They did? please enlighten me then cause i pbbly missed them

They proved that they won't endorse similar acts, a lot more than what u and others shouting "Renegades!" did or are doing to try and save the Uk Cluster from sinking into shit.
If u didn't get it till now tho, pls have a penny and go buy a candle for some more enlightment.

 

[charmangle]

My hair is short enough as it is tyvm 'Charmangle', and I also have a job, so please stfu and as Bluesky would say, get a cluepon.

Hmm...that one flew right over your head didnt it mate?

It was a sarcastic way of saying, dont call people names, its rude, and doesnt further the discussion at all.

You wasnt supposed to take it literally!

Now that I have spelled the hard bit out for ya, would you mind getting to the answere to the question posed instead of printing stupid remarks about people, or would you want me to call you little brat too? (since thats more likely to atleast be true in comparison to me anyway

/Charmangle

 

[Kinetix]

They proved that they won't endorse similar acts, a lot more than what u and others shouting "Renegades!" did or are doing to try and save the Uk Cluster from sinking into shit.

1rs of all tell me were i called them renegades or traitors or whatever

2nd I barely have time to play since i work at day and have uni till midnight so i dont have time to save my social life so even less time to save a game

3rd i dont know if they intentions or good or bad, what i do know is what the results of this action was.

 

[Gahn]

1rs of all tell me were i called them renegades or traitors or whatever

i said u AND others calling ... it's quite different from u and rest calling ..
got it? k.

2nd I barely have time to play since i work at day and have uni till midnight so i dont have time to save my social life so even less time to save a game

It seems altho that u endorse ppl acting to sink it. Whilest simply dropping a tower in sign of protest would have take u, what, 3 mins of your game time?

3rd i dont know if they intentions or good or bad, what i do know is what the results of this action was.

Quite a poor blind way of judging things.

 

[Kinetix]

i said u AND others calling ... it's quite different from u and rest calling ..
got it? k.

Theres still the "U" part there so i feel puted in the same package ( wich seems to be a general error on this forum)

It seems altho that u endorse ppl acting to sink it. Whilest simply dropping a tower in sign of protest would have take u, what, 3 mins of your game time?

Like i said mate, i dont endorse anything, i just stated that the results of such action would be worse

Quite a poor blind way of judging things.

Like i said on my previous answer i dont like to judge since there is always a 2/3/x sided opinion, i just stated the fact that doing it would make game worse. in fact they should protest if they feel like, they just could have found a better way to protest etc