wtf are we gone get now ?

[Gazon]

You don't even know any of us, obviously. It was just a few nights ago I was grouped with a custodia PuG late at night before I was pulled away due to a fire alarm going off (I even stayed til I got back to the keep as I knew it was another annoying 2am drill.....).

Ofc I know who you are. I played with you lots of times.
And Arethir was my GM in KF. I know him very well. And I also know you are different.

Look at him having a go in the other thread. THAT is what I'm talking about. Pissing his pants with laughter at the Panicing Noob's post. Golly, might that be how he really thinks about the roleplayers?

If that attitude is not the one TT wants to project, I suggest you talk to him about that. People might get the "wrong idea".

 

[Dr_Evil]

Lol 33 pages on this discussion already. Seems the cluster is still pretty active. ;D

 

[wittor]

Erm I just arrived on IRC and 1 guy from BF ( only 1 guy is playing from BF ) just told me that he is getting flamed in pm's and is being emoted on from other idiot albs for no fucking reason because of that keep, I guess it is because we are in the same alliance as TT.

He is quite tired of it since he dont have anything to do with it and not to mention that he's a nice guy who will never flame or abuse someone. You treat to ban him from arti and ml raids for no reason. Today he got abused so much ingame and he still didn't said one bad word back at the people who pm'ed him with all that bullshit. This shows how sad your little life is.

So for all you random malaria albs who really like to flame pm me instead of him. I LOVE getting involved in those conversations, it will give me a damn good laugh and the best part of it is that I really don't care what you are gonne tell me in pm since I couldnt care less about some random retard roleplaying alb who cries over a stupid keep.

@topic starter:

Comparing jihad and concentration camps to all of this is just to funny, if I was you I would call the mental clinic and stay there for a while because something is totally wrong in your head if you start comparing those things with a video game.

 

[Ahtlehson]

Erm I just arrived on IRC and 1 guy from BF ( only 1 guy is playing from BF ) just told me that he is getting flamed in pm's and is being emoted on from other idiot albs for no fucking reason because of that keep, I guess it is because we are in the same alliance as TT.

He is quite tired of it since he dont have anything to do with it and not to mention that he's a nice guy who will never flame or abuse someone. You treat to ban him from arti and ml raids for no reason. Today he got abused so much ingame and he still didn't said one bad word back at the people who pm'ed him with all that bullshit. This shows how sad your little life is.

So for all you random malaria albs who really like to flame pm me instead of him. I LOVE getting involved in those conversations, it will give me a damn good laugh and the best part of it is that I really don't care what you are gonne tell me in pm since I couldnt care less about some random retard roleplaying alb who cries over a stupid keep.

@topic starter:

Comparing jihad and concentration camps to all of this is just to funny, if I was you I would call the mental clinic and stay there for a while because something is totally wrong in your head if you start comparing those things with a video game.

Rep
:worthy:

 

[Nate]

Erm I just arrived on IRC and 1 guy from BF ( only 1 guy is playing from BF ) just told me that he is getting flamed in pm's and is being emoted on from other idiot albs for no fucking reason because of that keep, I guess it is because we are in the same alliance as TT.

He is quite tired of it since he dont have anything to do with it and not to mention that he's a nice guy who will never flame or abuse someone. You treat to ban him from arti and ml raids for no reason. Today he got abused so much ingame and he still didn't said one bad word back at the people who pm'ed him with all that bullshit. This shows how sad your little life is.

So for all you random malaria albs who really like to flame pm me instead of him. I LOVE getting involved in those conversations, it will give me a damn good laugh and the best part of it is that I really don't care what you are gonne tell me in pm since I couldnt care less about some random retard roleplaying alb who cries over a stupid keep.

@topic starter:

Comparing jihad and concentration camps to all of this is just to funny, if I was you I would call the mental clinic and stay there for a while because something is totally wrong in your head if you start comparing those things with a video game.

and the "ac crew" say 8v8'ers are bad...finally someone can do something for once about their playstyle, so they throw their bottle out of the pram at random people who have nothing to do with it. Their true colours finally show.

 

[Icebreaker]

You are correct mate im not taking a dot on what you said, but making a relic keep lvl1 isnt gonna help hibs, sure they might even get relic back, but the point his by doing this they made not only some albs hate them ( not like they care ) but they encourage other AC RRs ( the forbiden fruit tastes better etc )

but they encourage other AC RRs

bullshit!

You and the other Gimps do it anyway even without a reason. Like you stated in other Posts so it doesn't matter what happens or what not:

What else can we do at morning. We dont play at other times etc bla bla.

Yea setting the Keep to level1 doesnt help us hibs because you continue ac raids.But atleast they make it easier for us to retake ac'ed relics and it makes it harder for the alarmclock squad to keep it.

 

[Appollo]

Rep for Davy and much <3

 

[Gahn]

This is priceless, a community?!! do you call this a community??!
This isnt even far from a community as far as Im concerned. All we get these days on the RvR board is spam, whine, more whine, flames and other worthless stuff.
Also, the same "community" has recently deceided to mass leave, so guess that leaves hm what exactly?!

This community is exactly that tries to make rules, as you just said yourselves. Yet who controls this community, who is part of it, is it just the FH posters in the RvR part? That arent all albs I can assure you that, so is it a despotism rather then a democracy then? because if we would have all the albs to have their say in this particular matter, then I guess the outcome might have been alot different.

But you know what, this is exactly what has been going on in this forum, a handfull of veterans have always been in the illusion that they could make the rules for so many just because well, you ask them really. Those rules they came up with does not always reflect what the majority of the actual subscribers of the cluster wants.

Aye we tried with common sense, we clearly failed cause it was like speaking to a deaf.
In the end we moved off and leave u playing with your toys.
It's a shame that it seems that MOST of other peeps are agreeing with us on having nuff of Morning Pve Crew and leaving as well.
Now u'd maybe learn the lesson this time, but i sincerly doubt.
Oh and kudos again to TT for standing up and shouting around, "This isn't the way to deal with things". At all other people calling treachery (in a game? wtf get a grip) just try to open your eyes before it is too late.

 

[Gahn]

lol don't try and bullshit that they did this for any kind of noble reason, just look at their responses to see they did it just for the laughs, to piss people of and so they can keep their precious fg v fg balanced.

As for 90%, get real, all realms AC just as much as each other.




yet everyone is quite happy to blame CM.
And im sorry but TT are absolutely traitors in every sense of the word, they only even play Albion twice a week, they don't give a flying fuck about Albion, thats why they are quite happy to fuck everyone else over that plays the realm and make them suffer for what a few people did whilst they were asleep, they are a disgrace to the game, let alone the realm and we'd be better off if they never even logged in at all. Your welcome to them if you love them that much, we sure as hell don't want them.






Thats there own stupid fault then and I criticised them for it at the time, sadly you cannot choose your so called realm mates.

Feck off already Kagato, u wanted the solo zone, u moaned at ppl zerging u down and now u became The Holy and Saint Paladin of Arthur?
Get a clue tbh.

 

[Gahn]

The quitting Hibs are saying it's the AC raid's fault. They are drama queens.
And TT are their bitches for responding to their tears.

I know you know 10% damage means absolutely nothing at all in Agramon.

It's not a reason to quit, not even "the last straw" reason. It's pure whine.

I wouldnt say is AC's fault ... but its the final straw tbh

Logging on hib yesterday morning and seeing only 1 port open ... i just /qtd ... why bother ?

Y do u even bother to reply to him? He's just a lost goose in the courtyard, never had an idea of balances in between realms on the Servers History and prolly one of the Albs who couldn't find their way past 10 feet from Portal Keep in Old Emain.
His opinions are rather useless and he is another "omg omg the OClock Crew gave another lesson to the stinky Mids and the smelly Hibs, they can't port now so i can pve grogans near DC in peace"!?!
Priceless Shit Gazon!

 

[Icebreaker]

Feck off already Kagato, u wanted the solo zone, u moaned at ppl zerging u down and now u became The Holy and Saint Paladin of Arthur?
Get a clue tbh.

lol yea!

rep

.

 

[Gahn]

So Albion can expect your participation at the next prime time relic raid attempt like always?
Tell Socrates to bring rams!

Oh rofl, u moved prime time to 5 am?

 

[Maeloch]

Dunno how some peeps have the gall to whine about TT 'fixing' things counter to the spirit of the game, when quite happy to whore themselves in a 'fixed' iRvR situation - farming rps all day long, no matter if keeps in alb/mid/whatever without giving two shits about the strategic keep status.

 

[Kinetix]

but they encourage other AC RRs

bullshit!

You and the other Gimps do it anyway even without a reason. Like you stated in other Posts so it doesn't matter what happens or what not:

What else can we do at morning. We dont play at other times etc bla bla.

Yea setting the Keep to level1 doesnt help us hibs because you continue ac raids.But atleast they make it easier for us to retake ac'ed relics and it makes it harder for the alarmclock squad to keep it.

zzzz you gimp dont you read my posts?!
I said i stoped doing it in August when i saw the reaction it did to hibernia. Im not in favor oR against AC RR, why? simple, they will happen anyway nothing i can do about it.
READ MY POSTS! I said TT´s actions only flamed albions and reinforced the AC RRs to repeat
Yes TT´s made keep easyer for hibs to take it, but it also reinforced AC RRs to repeat themselfs.
FFS just take the bloody relic if it will stop the QQ like i cared. I just want to log in and have some fun, as far as i know GOA could take relics off i dont care.

 

[Javai]

Erm I just arrived on IRC and 1 guy from BF ( only 1 guy is playing from BF ) just told me that he is getting flamed in pm's and is being emoted on from other idiot albs for no fucking reason because of that keep, I guess it is because we are in the same alliance as TT.

I witnessed some of this and specifically told people it was wrong and that actually only one person in BF had to release the keep for TT to take it over.

It has nothing to do with being in the same alliance but because BF owned the keep and gave it to TT to reduce to level 1. But I reiterate it is utterly wrong to victimise Mothra over this.

 

[tierk]

FFS just take the bloody relic if it will stop the QQ like i cared. I just want to log in and have some fun, as far as i know GOA could take relics off i dont care.

As poeple have tried to explain to you in this thread and countless other ones noone can be bothered too, what would be the point of doing that when we all know full well its just going to be taken back at 5am?

And to top it off the idiots have struck again well done i mean really well done this is just exactly what this server needed.

 

[Thorwyn]

Isn´t it ironic, that after 5 years of DAoC, we have to realise, that the biggest design flaw of this game are actually the people who´re playing it? The ammount of gallic acid being spilled all over the place here and in the other threads about this relic is enouh to denaturate an entire annual production of spanish red wine. FG mavins accusing the zerglings of killing the game, playing their usual "honour, respect and community" card. The zerglings accusing the FG mavins of being elitist pricks and TT traitors of the realm for ... um... paying their subs and playing as they want to!?
Now, the oh so badly mauled Hibs are fed up, leaving Excal, heading to the shores of a german server (seriously, how desperate do you have to be!?). This, of course, doesn´t stop some of them from merrily hitting F5 and replying to every post with the same arguments, which are nothing else but encapsulated flames and foaming wrath.
("Haha.. we´re leaving! Have fun in PvE! You won! You´re to blame, nerner. Btw, did we mention that we are leaving? We´re playing Avalon now. Great Server! Lets go! CU! Theehehe!")

Time to step back and take a deep breath....
Does anyone here actually see, that "the community" hasn´t been destroyed by either side, but that there IS no community and that there never really was one?
The FG part of the "community" is leaving. So what? Why would anyone from the non-FG part of the "community" want to stop them? They´re not going to interfere with each other anyways, except for the rare occasions of a large scale RvR event or when the FG mavins are bored enough to go and farm the zerglings on Beno bridge. Why would they want them to stay here? Just to keep the server population higher?
And the zerglings? They´re hissing and screaming against TT for lowering the level of the relic keep. So what? Why should anyone from the FG part of the "community" care? They´re not going to interfere with them anyways.

Let´s stop the self-deception for once, shall we. BOTH sides are fooking responsible that this server is going down, because they´re haggling and fighting over a ridiculous couple of pixels and a damage bonus, which, in the end is just a symbol of their inability to tolerate the other side. It´s not a monocausal thing. All of us are somehow responsible, either by looking down and yelling at the n00b zerglings, or by not giving a damn about the 1337 pricks.
Mythic should have addressed the problems at some point in the past. They didn´t, relying on the self-healing abilities of a community... which never happened. They could have stopped it either by supporting the alternative playstyles, designing workarounds to cater them, or by eliminating them.

 

[Rst]

Its fookin sad when a forum becomes more fun and busier than a game you pay for.

Let Albs keep the relic ffs, its extra dmg for the guards there gonna be pveing when there no realm enemys to kill because the server finally died ;/

 

[Hawkwind]

Nice post Thorwyn +1

 

[Cromcruaich]

[QUOTE='Thorwyn[B&Q]stuff[/QUOTE]

some interesting stuff, however, what many people completely fail to realise is that the so called 'fg community' are made of of people, who most nights of the week dont run in full groups, the rest of the week those people are soloing, running in small groups, logging in their stealthers, getting involved in siege etc. Personally I play in NFD GG1 2 nights a week, the rest of the week i'd mostly be soloing, sometimes just catching a quick hour after work, other times staying up until 4am chasing in game vendattas after having too much beer.

Oh and there most definately is/was a community.

There are infact very few full groups in the elite mould that run every night of the week. Infact - there are none.

If you dont all stop thinking in terms of full groups and roleplayers then you will be signing the clusters death warrant.

 

[Tuthmes]

Isn´t it ironic, that after 5 years of DAoC, we have to realise, that the biggest design flaw of this game are actually the people who´re playing it? The ammount of gallic acid being spilled all over the place here and in the other threads about this relic is enouh to denaturate an entire annual production of spanish red wine. FG mavins accusing the zerglings of killing the game, playing their usual "honour, respect and community" card. The zerglings accusing the FG mavins of being elitist pricks and TT traitors of the realm for ... um... paying their subs and playing as they want to!?
Now, the oh so badly mauled Hibs are fed up, leaving Excal, heading to the shores of a german server (seriously, how desperate do you have to be!?). This, of course, doesn´t stop some of them from merrily hitting F5 and replying to every post with the same arguments, which are nothing else but encapsulated flames and foaming wrath.
("Haha.. we´re leaving! Have fun in PvE! You won! You´re to blame, nerner. Btw, did we mention that we are leaving? We´re playing Avalon now. Great Server! Lets go! CU! Theehehe!")

Time to step back and take a deep breath....
Does anyone here actually see, that "the community" hasn´t been destroyed by either side, but that there IS no community and that there never really was one?
The FG part of the "community" is leaving. So what? Why would anyone from the non-FG part of the "community" want to stop them? They´re not going to interfere with each other anyways, except for the rare occasions of a large scale RvR event or when the FG mavins are bored enough to go and farm the zerglings on Beno bridge. Why would they want them to stay here? Just to keep the server population higher?
And the zerglings? They´re hissing and screaming against TT for lowering the level of the relic keep. So what? Why should anyone from the FG part of the "community" care? They´re not going to interfere with them anyways.

Let´s stop the self-deception for once, shall we. BOTH sides are fooking responsible that this server is going down, because they´re haggling and fighting over a ridiculous couple of pixels and a damage bonus, which, in the end is just a symbol of their inability to tolerate the other side. It´s not a monocausal thing. All of us are somehow responsible, either by looking down and yelling at the n00b zerglings, or by not giving a damn about the 1337 pricks.
Mythic should have addressed the problems at some point in the past. They didn´t, relying on the self-healing abilities of a community... which never happened. They could have stopped it either by supporting the alternative playstyles, designing workarounds to cater them, or by eliminating them.

Seriously you fail to see the point again, but nvm it's bin explained by several people to many times.

 

[Thorwyn]

Actually you fail to see MY point. But nvm, I`m not going to explain it again.

 

[Gear]

Good post

The only thing I dissagree upon is what you said over the existence of a community. There was a community that was pretty much getting along. There were always the zergs, the leet, the pricks and the honourable players.

At some point however one steps back and realises that the pricks have outnumbered us, and at the end of the day it's a fucken game and I don't really feel like spending my RVR time recapturing keeps that were taken overnight, i.e. spending my game time for something which I consider completely retarded.

And to answer to the question of the topid (wtf are we gone get now?), seems to me that you get the whole server.

I just feel sorry for the people I consider my friends that don't have the time or cannot for whatever reason reroll to a different server.

 

[Kinetix]

<imagening the impossible> why oh why dont they remake to OF were ppl were able to a relic in prime time by leading 100 ppl in "stealth zerg through the other realm not killing any guards until the last moment" Dam was fun back then

http://www.handofchaos.net/DAoC/Pictures/Picture026.JPG


http://www.xs4all.nl/~sab2563/ootkt/gallery/images/ss006.jpg


Credits for pics go For Hand Of Chaos and Order of Knights Templar ^^

 

[Tuthmes]

Actually you fail to see MY point. But nvm, I`m not going to explain it again.

Fair enough ill explain it for you once more.

Isn´t it ironic, that after 5 years of DAoC, we have to realise, that the biggest design flaw of this game are actually the people who´re playing it?

It's not a flaw, it's the people who make or brake the game for a large part. If you made a game in a different way, people wouldnt play it. However it takes only a few the screw up a game completly for others (can be done in many way's, cheating, stealing, AC'ing, etc). Nowadays its just funny. People play albion and dont give a damn irl about hibernias players or midgards, like they are the sworn enemies irl aswell. What aspect of "its a game don't you understand?"

The ammount of gallic acid being spilled all over the place here and in the other threads about this relic is enouh to denaturate an entire annual production of spanish red wine. FG mavins accusing the zerglings of killing the game, playing their usual "honour, respect and community" card. The zerglings accusing the FG mavins of being elitist pricks and TT traitors of the realm for ... um... paying their subs and playing as they want to!?

FH is and always has bin the place to whinge, it thrives on it.

Now, the oh so badly mauled Hibs are fed up, leaving Excal, heading to the shores of a german server (seriously, how desperate do you have to be!?). This, of course, doesn´t stop some of them from merrily hitting F5 and replying to every post with the same arguments, which are nothing else but encapsulated flames and foaming wrath.
("Haha.. we´re leaving! Have fun in PvE! You won! You´re to blame, nerner. Btw, did we mention that we are leaving? We´re playing Avalon now. Great Server! Lets go! CU! Theehehe!")

Yeah most of them are. Some went earlier, others tried to stay and make it work. What Crom said in responce to your post. Yes "we" are leaving, because clearly the "others" don't give a shit about us nor the server (cause they roleplay albs irl aswell). Not saying avalon is this or that great and i rather play on prydwen/excal tbh. But why, if i can't enjoy they game there. The whole attitude and playstyle of people there is so shite atm. Bridgecamping with 3fg rr8+, just w8'ing for anything to be zerged down. Then when it calms down, whoops there come the albs running from their bridges. All of a sudden, at 3am they start to roam in a fg, zergin everything down. It's not the playstyle thats wrong, infact its completly ok, IF the server base whas large enough for it, which it isnt. So you have to make it work for eachother, but people cba'd. Not even starting about AC'ing, it has bin explained to many times.

Time to step back and take a deep breath....
Does anyone here actually see, that "the community" hasn´t been destroyed by either side, but that there IS no community and that there never really was one?
The FG part of the "community" is leaving. So what? Why would anyone from the non-FG part of the "community" want to stop them? They´re not going to interfere with each other anyways, except for the rare occasions of a large scale RvR event or when the FG mavins are bored enough to go and farm the zerglings on Beno bridge. Why would they want them to stay here? Just to keep the server population higher?
And the zerglings? They´re hissing and screaming against TT for lowering the level of the relic keep. So what? Why should anyone from the FG part of the "community" care? They´re not going to interfere with them anyways.

Do realise (as Crom has said also) that that fg community is part of that larger community aswell (realm or game). They play (in) more then just their set fg.

Let´s stop the self-deception for once, shall we. BOTH sides are fooking responsible that this server is going down, because they´re haggling and fighting over a ridiculous couple of pixels and a damage bonus, which, in the end is just a symbol of their inability to tolerate the other side. It´s not a monocausal thing. All of us are somehow responsible, either by looking down and yelling at the n00b zerglings, or by not giving a damn about the 1337 pricks.
Mythic should have addressed the problems at some point in the past. They didn´t, relying on the self-healing abilities of a community... which never happened. They could have stopped it either by supporting the alternative playstyles, designing workarounds to cater them, or by eliminating them.

Dunno about both side tbh, however there has bin a very big change in attitude (yes again) l8tly. Nobody try's to make a pug and roam anymore, they all just bunch together at their own bridge, or as soon as there's an oppertunity for irvr, jump on it. Or when a pug is made, as soon as someone/thing fks up, the group bails.
Not even starting about every alb (yes this is an alb thing for some reason) is running with DI bots to make up for their skills. Or just the classes in general thats about (scouts, firewizzy's, sorcs, make up for 80% of albion? (yes the other 20% could be DI bots/bb's).

Anyways this time not to flame, but to explain. Yeh mebbe we dont see eachothers points and mebbe thats the problem. What people should do is fix the problem now, instead of AC'ing more. However, the kids wont listen, because they think they're albs irl aswell.

P.s. Prolly shitloads of typo's cba to get them out.

 

[Everz]

<imagening the impossible> why oh why dont they remake to OF were ppl were able to a relic in prime time by leading 100 ppl in "stealth zerg through the other realm not killing any guards until the last moment" Dam was fun back then

http://www.handofchaos.net/DAoC/Pictures/Picture026.JPG


http://www.xs4all.nl/~sab2563/ootkt/gallery/images/ss006.jpg


Credits for pics go For Hand Of Chaos and Order of Knights Templar ^^

hand of chaos, qq i miss that guild

 

[Thorwyn]

If you made a game in a different way, people wouldnt play it. However it takes only a few the screw up a game completly for others (can be done in many way's, cheating, stealing, AC'ing, etc). Nowadays its just funny. People play albion and dont give a damn irl about hibernias players or midgards, like they are the sworn enemies irl aswell. What aspect of "its a game don't you understand?"

I don´t think they´re considered "sworn enemies" by the majority of people. They just happen to be opponents in a computer game. And the definition of what´s fun in a game and what´s not is a topic you can write entire books on. For example, I don´t understand the fun behind xp killing grey cons. Still, some people obviously do. Who am I to tell them they´re wrong?! They might fire the same rocke back at me.. "what part of ´it´s a game´ don´t you understand?"

FH is and always has bin the place to whinge, it thrives on it.

I`m not complaining about FH or the whinge. We all know what FH is there for.

Yeah most of them are. Some went earlier, others tried to stay and make it work. What Crom said in responce to your post. Yes "we" are leaving, because clearly the "others" don't give a shit about us nor the server (cause they roleplay albs irl aswell).

Now, for arguments sake, let´s exchange the situation. Let´s consider that the tons of zerglings are fed up from constantly being yelled at and farmed.. and say: "ok, we´re moving to server XY. You won. Have fun."
Would YOU care? Would YOU change your playstyle to keep them here, happy and entertained? Would YOU say: oh, the poor fellas are not having fun playing anymore.. let them zerg Agramon or let them AC a reluc a bit or at least let´s farm them some less? Most certainly not. You (as in the fg people) don´t give a shit about the server as a whole, just like the people on the other side of the fence aren´t giving a shit about the server as long as it concernes people they don´t even meet ingame. See? That´s my point: BOTH sides don´t care.

Not saying avalon is this or that great and i rather play on prydwen/excal tbh. But why, if i can't enjoy they game there. The whole attitude and playstyle of people there is so shite atm.

Hey, I´m not blaming you or anyone else for moving. I just say that you can NOT blame one and only one part of the playerbase for driving you there. The process could have been anticipated for a long time.

Do realise (as Crom has said also) that that fg community is part of that larger community aswell (realm or game). They play (in) more then just their set fg.

I never denied that.
If you carefully read my post, you will find, that that´s exactly what I was trying to say... there is in fact MORE than one community, pretending to be one community, but isn´t. And that´s where the problems are coming from.

Dunno about both side tbh, however there has bin a very big change in attitude (yes again) l8tly. Nobody try's to make a pug and roam anymore, they all just bunch together at their own bridge, or as soon as there's an oppertunity for irvr, jump on it. Or when a pug is made, as soon as someone/thing fks up, the group bails.
Not even starting about every alb (yes this is an alb thing for some reason) is running with DI bots to make up for their skills. Or just the classes in general thats about (scouts, firewizzy's, sorcs, make up for 80% of albion? (yes the other 20% could be DI bots/bb's).

This is where I disagree because you´re falling back into your black and white scheme. The key point in my theory is, that BOTH sides are equally responsible for not being able to live on the same server and this is amplified by the fact that they usually don´t even meet ingame (ok, I take Croms point, that most of the fg´ers are "normal" people most days of the week.. but that doesn´t change anything about their thinking). Both sides have tried to postulate their rules and obviously both sides failed to reach the other side. At any rate, it is definitely NOT just one sides fault.

Anyways this time not to flame, but to explain. Yeh mebbe we dont see eachothers points and mebbe thats the problem. What people should do is fix the problem now, instead of AC'ing more. However, the kids wont listen, because they think they're albs irl aswell.

I think the problem can not be fixed, if the gamedesign remains intact (i.e. as long as Ac raids are possible and as long as there are no game mechanics protecting groups or soloers from being added on IN CERTAIN DESIGNATED AREAS and as long as the game somehow prevents RR10 gank groups from farming RR1 herds ... again in certain designated areas.)
Like I said, Mythic should have addressed all this loooong time ago. You made a good point somethere in your post about server population effecting the options of players. That needs to be taken into consideration as well. Now that the population is decreasing, the key issues have become apparent. But they have been around for ages.

P.s. Prolly shitloads of typo's cba to get them out.

Since english isn´t my first language, I assure you I won´t pick on them.

 

[Darzil]

Dunno about both side tbh, however there has bin a very big change in attitude (yes again) l8tly. Nobody try's to make a pug and roam anymore, they all just bunch together at their own bridge, or as soon as there's an oppertunity for irvr, jump on it. Or when a pug is made, as soon as someone/thing fks up, the group bails.

There's a change in attitude, but I'm not sure it's lately, been the last 12 months or more. I've been trying to get into RvR more, signed up to, or tried to, pretty much every group that's advertised on FH (other than those that want me to leave my current guild). I've had some nice runs as a result.

Outside that, though, I've tried forming groups - it usually fails, or can only produce groups that won't be capable of doing effective roaming fg vs fg, so we end up having to follow the zerg. I've tried forming BG's to do keep takes/retakes - it usually fails, as I'm not a known name. I've tried getting in other groups (I have several alts, so can play pretty much any role in an rvr group) - but usuaully fail, as I'm not a known name. Joining existing BG's to do keep takes/retakes is far more successful, on those rare occasions there is one to join.

All that tends to be left is PvE or bridge camping, and so I tend to PvE or log.

Is the desire to be the best, and not to bring noobs into groups going to kill RvR games generally? May explain why some of the PvE orientated games do better, even though they seem less appealing on the surface. I keep seeing people try to form guild groups, which then split up or collapse (either they have >8 regular players, so people feel left out and quit, or they have <8 regular players, so people quit, or one key person has RL issues, so people quit).

Darzil

 

[charmangle]

If you really did what you really could possibly do, then you'd have MM given the oppurtunity to hand over the keep to them, like you got the keep from black falcons I believe.

And also you are obviously somewhat upset by people ignoring the call to stop AC raiding, yet when a prime-time player asks you the simple request of taking over the keep so they can have fun defending during prime-time, you ignore that call yourself.

What Im saying is, you make it sound like this is a retribution for the actions of the AC relic raiders, yet you previously admitted that it (probably) wont be affecting them anyway.
Please do realise that this action WILL affect those people that play prime-time.

Hmm...to be honest Muppet, you are making no sence at all. You are drawing conclusions out of thin air, not making any reasonable arguments, just stating far fetched thoughts, without any foundation.

All your comments to his post, were answered in the post, and frankly very clearly. Also he most definetly didnt make it sound anything like a retribution, on the contrary he made it sound exactly the opposite. As he said: Its the first time we actually are able to intervene in any way against something we think is game distructive. Now that has nothing to do with retribution, if you didnt know that yourself.

He stated that it most probably wount affect the community as a whole in a major way, and not as you somehow got it, that he though it wouldnt affect the community at all.

Bascially you just didnt understand one thing of his very clear post, so reread it, work on your arguments, and get back on the subject...

/Charmangle

 

[Tuthmes]

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Killing greys is fine, chainkilling them is not. Thats when you take out the fun for the grey con player. More example to be givin here, however i wont (some would argue beeing an arse within the own realm and ripping of people is fun etc). That what makes the game interresting, you have the option todo this or that, but you don't have to. Realise there's someone else sitting behind a screen, playing the game. It isnt rocket sience, nor do have to write a book about it.

The defenition of a zerg is that it is large, overwelming, you can farm it, you can master farming it, however it will kill you. Zerg farming nowadays is kinda impossible though.
On the otherhand yeah, if i would farm the same pathetic small zerg over and over again (like AC'ing a relic and then farm the hibs trying to get the relic back at the keep), i would feel sad for them (or mebbe get bored myself) and stop it.

Mebbe you cant blaim parts of the community, though (here it comes again) the game is what people make of it. If people leave because of other people's playstyle and there's no alternative, then the community as a whole should stop and think for moment. Some old games keep drawing a large crowd, because the game is fun, so it doesnt have to be the game itself.
The community you say doesnt exist, cause its splitup into realms is ofc bollux. DaoC is a community itself, fail to realise this and you loose your perspective to the game as a whole (mebbe try to play in more then 1 realm?).

There is no both side's. You fail to realise that the fg players also zerg, solo, make small groups, pugs etc. Everyone is a daoc player, some with different views on how it has to be played in someway. The problem comes when there's a small group of players, playing l8 nights, when the playerbase is at its smallest, who screw it over for the rest of players. These players don't want see other people's view, because its a 24/7 game, or i pay my subs, etc. But fail to see what they are doin to the others. Then when those people get upset, they laugh at them.

Game design is fine. AC'ing would be fine if there would be a large enough player base for it. However its not there. So those 20 albs, zergin at 3am, screw it up for the 600players at 3pm-12pm. If those 20 albs would realise, they did this and said, well hey look m8s, mebbe this isnt so fun for the other players (be it alb/hib/mid), should we consider stop doin this? There wouldnt be any problem. Yet they find it fun todo (or whatever reason) to keep screwing it over. Now that a large playerbase leaves, you get the, "be gone reply's" and we don't care.