wtf are we gone get now ?

[Arethir]

Does albion as a realm have to make amends AGAIN for something that wasnt done by albion as a realm?!

Correct. Albion as a realm did not do this. Which means, albion as a realm does not deserve having that relic. By lowering the level of the keep, we make AC'ers see that they don't have the whole realm behind them in their actions, and they might want to reconsider before doing it again. We're not telling them how to play their game, we're simply telling them what we think of what they are doing.

 

[Sharkith]

first off, I doubt you've read all my posts in this thread

I think I have read more than you know.

second, all the guild(s!) in albion have done what you've asked and you've made your point. Didnt help as was to be expected, I really dont even think this is near a solution and its rather insulting then solving. Because what does albion gain then? the thrust of hibernia?, the support of hibernia?....
Does albion as a realm have to make amends AGAIN for something that wasnt done by albion as a realm?!

Its funny you know - I never once said Albion as a realm has to make amends. I simply suggested the answer to the very antisocial actions of a few is to show them you won't tolerate it. I know and you know that they will do this and keep doing it. Lowering the keep (and all ajoining towers i might add) is a good way to say we don't like this please stop.

I fail to see how Albion as a realm suffers. In fact all I can see is Albion as a relam gaining a lot of kudos. Just like the Kudos TT are getting right now. The best thing to do if I was an Alb GM would be to join them - lower a tower close to the relic keep and make a statement here that you will not be grouped with the actions of the few.

I fail to see how Albion is suffering as a result. Can you explain how exactly they are and why I am wrong for saying they have more to gain? You quick to say this but have not supported your claim with any real reasons. Once more...

 

[Kinetix]

Please explain to me if the only time you can log into the game is like at 4am why dont you go play on a server were there are more people online at these hours so you can actualy fight people rather then guards?

give char transfer and i will. I have 13 lvl50 chars that i dont want to loose.

I mean you say you doing this to make action in RvR zones but seeing as you are aint online to see the improved action i cant see what u gain from this except to create lots of whine on here and make people leave the game (the fh whine thread is what i would imagine is what you getting yer rocks off on).

you got me wrong mate im not intending to make QQ threads or anything in fact last AC raid i did was on august, then i stoped. Not that they are good or bad just stoped since it made so many ppl angry.

Just dont like TT to enforce theyr convictions on other players. if they didnt like the situation they should have had a neutral action not making keep lvl1

 

[Muppet]

A solution has been suggested many times but some retards cant seem to get it into there heads. STOP AC RAIDING!! Nice and simple but i guess that is too complicated to get through your hard headedness, as you will continue to insist you dont ac raid but are quite willing to reap the benfits of it. As i said in a earlier post just selfishness pure and simple on this score.

Also you are obviously blind as well cuz you plainly cannot see that the server population has been on a downward spiral for a while now and these stupid antics of the AC crews has everytime one been done caused more and more pople to log off this server.

You keep banging on and on about you wanna defend you wanna defend but cant seem to understand that it isnt just about what you want, there are hundreds of other people that want to play this game too and just as much as you dont want to be dictated too, neither do they, by a small number of people.

This is really getting silly, last time the AC happend, I remember posts going around like "we'll MRE it back" and "it was fun having an MRE again"

Obviously because your lacking the manpower that you had back then (Im guessing) you cant get it back.
If you really want your relic back, heres a solution, stop moaning about it make 2 fg's and get it back, it shouldnt be too hard since there were hardly any folk today at renaris and the keep should be down real quick.

You can also AC it back for all I care, also mentioned before. Its all what you really want. If you want the relic back so badly, the oppurtunities to do so are plenty.

But I get the feeling its a matter of principal for you guys, you seem to really want to punish albion as a complete realm for what maybe a handfull albions did.

What you fail to understand is that we cannot even pick out the ones that AC raid, let alone deal with them, because they can do whatever they like whenever they like because the GAME allows them to.

If you really want to change THAT, like I posted before in this thread; goodluck applying for a job at the GOA team.

 

[Kinetix]

We're not telling them how to play their game, we're simply telling them what we think of what they are doing.

are you kidding? if you wanted to tell how you felt you would have made a post telling that you didnt want to be part of it and released keep to another guild. by lowering the keep to level1 you are enforcing on to other ppl your will and saying "And you cant do a thing about it" and in some contrys thats considered dictatorism or whatever its spelled.

 

[Annisa]

So i must ask: Was it worth it TT members?

Rofl, its priceless and my TT minions deserve a cookie

 

[Arethir]

are you kidding? if you wanted to tell how you felt you would have made a post telling that you didnt want to be part of it and released keep to another guild. by lowering the keep to level1 you are enforcing on to other ppl your will and saying "And you cant do a thing about it" and in some contrys thats considered dictatorism or whatever its spelled.

Those who stand neutral on the side and watch, are as guilty as the ones who do it. Imo.
This one time we actually had a chance to make a difference, so we did it.

 

[Arethir]

Rofl, its priceless and my TT minions deserve a cookie

GuildMum! COOOOOOOOKIIIEE!

 

[Javai]

Those who stand neutral on the side and watch, are as guilty as the ones who do it. Imo.
This one time we actually had a chance to make a difference, so we did it.

You sure made a difference, many people who would never normally take part in an off-peak relic raid are now more than ready to do so. Likewise many people who have respected Agramon as the 'fg area' will no longer do so.

If anything, judging by the mood of people I have spoken to in game in the last 24 hours, you have made the likelihood of AC raids much higher. I've logged for the evening, I have never been part of an AC raid but I would not be in the least bit surprised to see another relic in Alb hands tomorrow morning.

 

[Kinetix]

You sure made a difference, many people who would never normally take part in an off-peak relic raid are now more than ready to do so. Likewise many people who have respected Agramon as the 'fg area' will no longer do so.

If anything, judging by the mood of people I have spoken to in game in the last 24 hours, you have made the likelihood of AC raids much higher. I've logged for the evening, I have never been part of an AC raid but I would not be in the least bit surprised to see another relic in Alb hands tomorrow morning.

i couldnt say it better since my english sucks

 

[pip]

i couldnt say it better since my english sucks [/QUOTE
Not only your English sucks you do to joke hehe /hug

 

[Soulja_IA_]

You sure made a difference, many people who would never normally take part in an off-peak relic raid are now more than ready to do so. Likewise many people who have respected Agramon as the 'fg area' will no longer do so.

If anything, judging by the mood of people I have spoken to in game in the last 24 hours, you have made the likelihood of AC raids much higher. I've logged for the evening, I have never been part of an AC raid but I would not be in the least bit surprised to see another relic in Alb hands tomorrow morning.

What a load of BULLSHIT made it more likely of you doing it more often because of what TT has done total utter crap.

The reason you will take this as an excuse is because you have never had the balls to do it primetime even in OF you did most of the AC raiding and carried it on to NF.

FFS Mids even dropped you Relic at APK and showed you how Primetime raids then could be done.Fairplay to Herbal then at least he showed how Albs could unite.

LOL it all TT fault utter crap.

Soulja

 

[edabi]

I suggest we give 1 P to the one who can post the 500th reply

 

[Muppet]

I fail to see how Albion as a realm suffers. In fact all I can see is Albion as a relam gaining a lot of kudos. Just like the Kudos TT are getting right now. The best thing to do if I was an Alb GM would be to join them - lower a tower close to the relic keep and make a statement here that you will not be grouped with the actions of the few.

I fail to see how Albion is suffering as a result. Can you explain how exactly they are and why I am wrong for saying they have more to gain? You quick to say this but have not supported your claim with any real reasons. Once more...

Its really not that hard. GOA/mythic made this game with rules.
They enforce the rules. These same rules say that you can play the game 24/7 if you want. I respect these rules made by the game creators/server maintenance guys ect. .

It goes against my nature to enforce rules on other people when Im totally not entitled to do so. Yet if I would be following your advice, I would in fact tell them " you cannot AC raid!! bad!! "
Whether I do this by degrading a keep or by just posting it on the boards.

I follow the game rules and these do NOT restrict people from playing at 6 am in the morning. That doesnt mean I do it nor like it, yet I respect people's deceision to make use of this given rule.

Dictating people what to do, is wrong, degrading and disrespectfull imho.

The reason you will take this as an excuse is because you have never had the balls to do it primetime.

Soulja

Recently Novus Coeptum did a MRE on Midgard, but didnt manage, yet tried.
Before that was an attempt to organise but not enough people showed up (for whatever reason).

 

[Arethir]

You sure made a difference, many people who would never normally take part in an off-peak relic raid are now more than ready to do so. Likewise many people who have respected Agramon as the 'fg area' will no longer do so.

If anything, judging by the mood of people I have spoken to in game in the last 24 hours, you have made the likelihood of AC raids much higher. I've logged for the evening, I have never been part of an AC raid but I would not be in the least bit surprised to see another relic in Alb hands tomorrow morning.

Hahaha, that just clearly shows how fucked up those people are then

It's like if you see a big red button, and you push it, and it gives you an electric shock, and then you say "ARGH F***ING BUTTON, REVENGE!" and you click it again.

And olol a the "Likewise many people who have respected Agramon as the 'fg area' will no longer do so."
I've said it before, I say it again. THEY didn't LET us be in agramon, WE (the fg's) CHOSE to go there, simply because it was to far away from the keeps etc, so the zerglings didn't bother going there.
If you actually want to go agramon, then go ahead, there's noone stopping you, but you don't. It's further away. There's no bridge or keep in there to hide behind. And there's no enemies there. Knock yourself out.

 

[swifteagle]

A reply to all those who seem to think AC raids are the main reason the server pop is dying ,here are the reasons I left for US if anyones interested

First of all my guild started dying out and only 1 or 2 of my friends were left so I decided it was time to move on.

The excal /Pryds obsession with iRvR which led to zerging which amazingly when polls were put up most people said they preferred group wandering but still the iRvR continued with the obvious results of zerg Vs zerg and more bridge camping.

My main playstyle was soloing and as time went on the "FGs who only want fair fights" managed to kill off alot of the solo scene by rolling every single soloer they saw and of course the stealth zergs who also seemed to find it fun to roll over soloers.

The holier than thou people who seem to think theres a community and are doing something for it,but when it suits them are prepared to double team another realm when there is an AC raid which 99% of that realm arent any part of but still tell themselves its for the good of everyone

As you can see only a small part of why I left is in any way related to AC raids and I'm sure it holds true for alot of the other people who left they might have done so for similar reasons or different reasons but your deluding yourselves if you think the majority of the population havent helped in some way to kill this cluster.

I never liked and never took part in an AC raid but all realms have done it the only difference is Albs are the bad guys even if they take back their own relics in an AC but any of the other two realms say its ok it was OUR relic were allowed to do that.

I've played all 3 realms and for some reason as soon as your playing an Alb character everyone else dumps on you just because of that and think its ok and expect all albs to just accept the unfairness of that situation because hib and mid say its ok and of course it must be good for the community if they say that

anyway rant over just wanted to put some people straight about why the cluster isnt in the best shape from my point of view

 

[dub]

but I would not be in the least bit surprised to see another relic in Alb hands tomorrow morning.

guess your with the majority on that one

 

[Arethir]

People didn't leave BECAUSE of AC'ing.

It was just like the shot of the prince in Sarajevo that made WW1 start. The drop that made the water spill out of the cup.

 

[Javai]

It's further away. There's no bridge or keep in there to hide behind. And there's no enemies there. Knock yourself out.

It's not further to Agramon bridge than to the other Beno bridges and much less far than going to an enemy realm.

As far as I recall there are some lovely milegates on Agramon that make good places to camp - and in fact before this 'agreement' was reached many groups did just that. They are particularly good for Alb groups who have a range advantage in static fights.

 

[Sharkith]

Its really not that hard. GOA/mythic made this game with rules.
They enforce the rules. These same rules say that you can play the game 24/7 if you want. I respect these rules made by the game creators/server maintenance guys ect. .

It goes against my nature to enforce rules on other people when Im totally not entitled to do so. Yet if I would be following your advice, I would in fact tell them " you cannot AC raid!! bad!! "
Whether I do this by degrading a keep or by just posting it on the boards.

I follow the game rules and these do NOT restrict people from playing at 6 am in the morning. That doesnt mean I do it nor like it, yet I respect people's deceision to make use of this given rule.

Dictating people what to do, is wrong, degrading and disrespectfull imho.

Now this is an old one Muppet - I suggest you take some time to read through the multitude of threads on the subject. I almost CBA to go through it with yet another person new to the discussion. Just because there is a CoC doesn't mean we cannot have our own conventions. Thats what a community is - a group of people getting along together trying to accomodate each other. Its good to allow communities to grow and generate their own rules. It pays GOA's bills. All they do is provide that space for this thing to happen. Its why they do not intervene. its why they will not upgrade the keep. Because all this controversy is actually part of a MMORPG.

No-one is dictating anything to anyone. Ac-ers are free to Ac - TT have not changed that. They are not even asking to vilify those that do it. All they are doing is expressing that they will not condone it. Are you trying to say they should not be allowed to do that?

There is no rule that says they cannot do - we know because a GM said so.

 

[Kagato]

What a load of BULLSHIT made it more likely of you doing it more often because of what TT has done total utter crap.

The reason you will take this as an excuse is because you have never had the balls to do it primetime even in OF you did most of the AC raiding and carried it on to NF.

FFS Mids even dropped you Relic at APK and showed you how Primetime raids then could be done.Fairplay to Herbal then at least he showed how Albs could unite.

LOL it all TT fault utter crap.

Soulja

not utter crap at all, i'd happily sign up to do anything that would spoil their precious FG v FG agramon days now and AC raid, nothing more and nothing less but out of disgust for those in that guild and what they have done.
They are a disgrace to the realm, the game and the community in general.

AC raids are bad enough but this is a whole new low and I don't believe for a minute they wouldn't of done this no matter how the relic was won.

And if the alliances that have been most affected by this, those that just try to play the game for fun, respond by zerging agramon or helping the AC raiders they'd normally of ignored, then you have no one else to blame but the Traitorous Twats guild.

 

[Arethir]

It's not further to Agramon bridge than to the other Beno bridges and much less far than going to an enemy realm.

As far as I recall there are some lovely milegates on Agramon that make good places to camp - and in fact before this 'agreement' was reached many groups did just that. They are particularly good for Alb groups who have a range advantage in static fights.

Hahahaha, really shows how clueless you are! As if they did that. And seriously, what nutcase would prefer running trough agramon rather than taking a boat and simply jumping? Unless you run top speed+sprint, boat is faster!
When the fgs started running there, it was empty, as it had been for ages. Which is the reason the fgs started running there. Seriously, get a clue, lol.

 

[tierk]

Obviously because your lacking the manpower that you had back then (Im guessing) you cant get it back....

But I get the feeling its a matter of principal for you guys, you seem to really want to punish albion as a complete realm for what maybe a handfull albions did....

You can obviously see that there is a problme with population but cant seem to put two and two together. Where is it you think that all those people that were going on MRE' s have gone to and why, has that thought crossed your mind? This is one of the main factors driving people away from this server at this moment in time, constant pve raids at ungodly hours plain and simple.

You talk about not liking people ac'ing relics but sorry you like to take full advantage of it though and you come on here attacking people within your own realm that are attempting to find some kind of solution to this problem. TT have made a protest to the AC crews that they will not condone what is been done as it is having a direct affect on server numbers plain and simple. I

You say i am trying to condemn a whole realm of alb for the actions of the few well rightly so as all i can see apart from TT and a few others is a completely retarded response to what appears to be a completely honourable thing to do to try and rectify what has been done. They trying to address the issue all people like Mule and yerself have been doing is fueling the fire instead of maybe just stepping back and trying to see things for what they are.

 

[Golena]

People didn't leave BECAUSE of AC'ing.

It was just like the shot of the prince in Sarajevo that made WW1 start. The drop that made the water spill out of the cup.

Mids and hibs stopped bothering to try and do any kind of primetime relic raids because "what's the point when they just get AC'ed back".
Mids and hibs stopped trying to take keeps because "what's the point when they just get AC'ed back".
So everyone just sits at their bridges because trying to do anything else is pointless.

It may not be the only reason the rvr on cluster is so crap, but it's certainly a fairly large part of it. One FG of albs deny albs a chance to defend ONCE, so the natural reaction of all the albs is to decide to deny the hibs or mids any chance to defend in the future by upping the number of AC raids they do. Really, your all just selfish idiots with no concept of what your doing to the people playing the other realms in the game arn't you. It's the end of the world and a reason to quit the game not being able to defend once for the albs, but the decline in the other realms numbers has nothing to do with all the AC raids being done against them. Wake up already!!

Dictating people what to do, is wrong, degrading and disrespectfull imho.

TT Should give up the keep or maintain it at a higher level.. isn't this what you've been dictating in all your posts since this thread began?
Another case of it's ok for me but not for others eh..

 

[Javai]

Hahahaha, really shows how clueless you are! As if they did that. And seriously, what nutcase would prefer running trough agramon rather than taking a boat and simply jumping? Unless you run top speed+sprint, boat is faster!
When the fgs started running there, it was empty, as it had been for ages. Which is the reason the fgs started running there. Seriously, get a clue, lol.

So you are saying it's faster to take a boat to say DC bridge (including the time spent getting past whichever group has come off Agramon to camp the docks cos their rp/hour was dropping) than it is for us to go and camp the first milegate?

I am not suggesting we run THROUGH Agramon I am pointing out that there are plenty of nice places to camp on it once you are there.

 

[Raven]

albs will be the only ones playing on UK cluster in a few months, they will have finally won at the internet.

still, at least they will have darkness falls to pve in 24/7

 

[Arethir]

I don't believe for a minute they wouldn't of done this no matter how the relic was won.

Well, do i need to say more? Writing something like that is like exiting the whole discussion. We did it as a response to the AC'ing. So why are you saying we did it otherwise?

PS: Be nice, have a cookie.

 

[Gazon]

People didn't leave BECAUSE of AC'ing.

It was just like the shot of the prince in Sarajevo that made WW1 start. The drop that made the water spill out of the cup.

You're using the other side's argument. The assasination and the conflict that followed was a pretext to start a war that was gonna happen anyway.

People were already going to leave. Might aswel slam the door hard and tell AC'ers it's their fault.

 

[Golena]

I am not suggesting we run THROUGH Agramon I am pointing out that there are plenty of nice places to camp on it once you are there.

Yes all 3 realms should do this!

Wonder which one will get bored waiting for the other realm not to pass their own bridge first.

 

[Punishment]

Well im guessing reason Mids closed alb port is because hibs are sick and tired of AC raids and all you have to do is log hib and do /who too see that Hibs cba anymore to retake when albs only leave 1 or 2 ports open ...

All you have to do is check Hib section for the fotm of quit threads

Gratz on Killing the cluster for fg vs fg and also when you release a walkthrough on how to kill a Cluster it should be quiet the accurate read ...

Im off to join the yanks ... fuck this