Who's Who in Eve

[LordjOX]

Well BRUCE have sure done alot to help kick BoB out of Fountain, by taking 2-3 of their stations there. They have only one left now in Y-2ANO which they are defending very well, SMASH is hopelessly outnumbered alot of the time. And when it comes to POS warfare numbers are important.

Yeah hopefully it will come down to smaller factions fighting for the vacuum BoB (eventually) will leave behind. But you still got the gigantic blocs like Goons and RA which have alot of dedicated pilots and firepower.

I think everyone is abit tired of the "600 in system" fighting, the game just doesn't support that many people without it lagging to hell.

 

[Ctuchik]

I hope BOB gets destroyed - its extremely un-healthy for the game to have a powerfull corp with such close ties to the games developers.

and because of that BoB will never die. the devs that still havent been busted will see to that.

 

[Sharkith]

tin foil hat time again I see

 

[Ctuchik]

who's BRUCE anyway? cant say i've heard anything about them until now...


/edit: and looking at http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg BoB havent lost THAT much space. granted last update were on christmas eve but still.

 

[LordjOX]

who's BRUCE anyway? cant say i've heard anything about them until now...


/edit: and looking at http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg BoB havent lost THAT much space. granted last update were on christmas eve but still.

BRUCE (Brutally Clever Empire) are one of those small alliances that dabbled in empire (Essence), moved to Syndicate and are now taking Fountain together with Morsus Mihi, PURE., SMASH and a bunch other alliances.

They were featured in E-ON #7 as an alliance. Very nice guys to fly with and they are very professional when planning and executing things. Only one BoB station in Y-2ANO remains and towers in Serpentis space.

Those maps by joshua foritrain are not frequently updated due to the new automated technology and also remembers it's abit biased since he is in BoB.

For more accurate info consult the automated sovereignity maps:
9th August 2007

5th January 2008 (current)

Notice how BoB and "pets" lost most of the north, Cloud Ring (YouWhat space), Fountain, Feythabolis, Paragon Soul etc. And now most recently fighting over what's left of Fountain, Querious and Period Basis.

 

[Ctuchik]

well, just hope BoB members will jump ship now. tho i doubt it. ppl have tried this before iirc and while they did have some success to, BoB always managed to stay their ground in the end :/

but why aint there noone claiming the stations BoB have lost?

 

[LordjOX]

well, just hope BoB members will jump ship now. tho i doubt it. ppl have tried this before iirc and while they did have some success to, BoB always managed to stay their ground in the end :/

but why aint there noone claiming the stations BoB have lost?

All stations BoB have lost have been claimed by some alliance or the other. Except NPC stations which you can't take.

Only conquerable or player-built.

I doubt BoB will disappear or have members jumping ship. They might pack up their things in Delve and leave in a few months when rest of Paragon Soul, Delve and Querious is taken. But they probably will be back to invade some other region of EVE. As long as their leadership doesn't jump ship then they will be around

 

[Sharkith]

I cannot see BoB ever leaving Eve. The way Goons are posting and behaving on the forums I really seriously believe they are next.

Nat

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Yeah, goonies are full of shit, like a droned carebear infestation.

My sympathies are with PAK and Snigg, some of the old schoolers .

 

[Ctuchik]

i dont have anything against goons. KOS and them are basically neighbours and so far i've never had any trouble with em.. nice chaps to fly with atleast.

but i dont really care whats going on on the eve forums. to many ppl there meassuring epeens bragging about how much this or that fleet "pwnz y0 azz!" and then are to fking scared to own up. actually most of the so called "serious" corps and alliances seem to do that. its like watching a ton of 4 year old fight over who's owning the sandbox.


especially the crimes and punishments are a pure source of joy to read in regards to finding ppl that have soaked their brains in acid before engaging it.

but thats not the only place on that forun this seems to be the case in.

i mean, the only thing usable in there (and hardly even that nowadays) is the ship setup section if ur lazy.

 

[LordjOX]

CAOD is just entertainment. Crime & Punishment are just the assholes preying on those that don't know how to fight or want to fight and brag about it. The rest is just whines.

Ship & Module section is okay, New player section is okay, Skills section, Industry section (starbases & outposts), Sell orders, Buy orders, Market discussion

Rest is just rubbish but has a close resemblance to the Excalibur RVR section here on FH....

 

[Ctuchik]

yeah, there are big simmilaritys(sp?) between those and the rvr section lol

 

[SilverHood]

i dont have anything against goons. KOS and them are basically neighbours and so far i've never had any trouble with em.. nice chaps to fly with atleast.

but i dont really care whats going on on the eve forums. to many ppl there meassuring epeens bragging about how much this or that fleet "pwnz y0 azz!" and then are to fking scared to own up. actually most of the so called "serious" corps and alliances seem to do that. its like watching a ton of 4 year old fight over who's owning the sandbox.


especially the crimes and punishments are a pure source of joy to read in regards to finding ppl that have soaked their brains in acid before engaging it.

but thats not the only place on that forun this seems to be the case in.

i mean, the only thing usable in there (and hardly even that nowadays) is the ship setup section if ur lazy.

yeah, ship section, C&P and the market is the only intelligent discussion. Check out :: for serious EVE discussion without the morons.

Also, you're in KOS? We had an empire war against them some time ago. Popped some farmer battleships, and a freighter with 12 billions worth of stuff. Well worth the 100 mill it cost us

EDIT:
BRUCE lived in Syndicate for a while. They were just passing through but ended up being invited to stay by Anarchy Empire. They then fought OSS / Huzzah for control of eastern syndicate for 6 months, culminating in a NAP with the OSS, which was subsequently broken, leading to OSS being kicked out and BRUCE being the defacto rulers of syndicate. Moving to fountain was a pretty damn good move. Best space in EVE in my opinion. Good rats, NPC stations for missioning, 0.0 Sov for making supercaps. Doesn't get much better.

 

[LordjOX]

EDIT:
BRUCE lived in Syndicate for a while. They were just passing through but ended up being invited to stay by Anarchy Empire. They then fought OSS / Huzzah for control of eastern syndicate for 6 months, culminating in a NAP with the OSS, which was subsequently broken, leading to OSS being kicked out and BRUCE being the defacto rulers of syndicate. Moving to fountain was a pretty damn good move. Best space in EVE in my opinion. Good rats, NPC stations for missioning, 0.0 Sov for making supercaps. Doesn't get much better.

It's no surprise anyone that KOS are the oldest biggest noobs in EVE.

Fountain is very good yes, good ratting, good moons and all that. Although abit hard to control <completely> because of the Serpentis/Angel NPC stations smack bang in the middle. Easy for a hostile force to jump in supplies or even buy from the rather OK market there.

 

[Poag]

who's BRUCE anyway? cant say i've heard anything about them until now...


/edit: and looking at http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg BoB havent lost THAT much space. granted last update were on christmas eve but still.

JUst jumping on something.

That map is terribly out of of date.

http://sov.eve-dev.net/maps/influence_2008-01-07_2008-01-08.png

Is far far far better, thats todays map.

 

[Poag]

I cannot see BoB ever leaving Eve. The way Goons are posting and behaving on the forums I really seriously believe they are next.

Nat

I'd find this fairly hard to believe.

ALthough after BoB are dead [as in removed from 0.0 and sent back to empire to do whatever the hell people do in empire when they've failed as an alliance] the south will mostly reset standings, not set people red but set them neutral...as most of us run NBSI policies. There will be pew pew and stuff, AAA will probably beat the daylight out of KOS. Goonies will murder Smash and Razor.

Generally the south are all on pretty good terms with each other, so will remain fairly friendly just pew pewing each other for fun. Also the south pretty knows pretty that if one gets attacked the others will wade in depending on there respective standings...which will inturn turn in toa fairly massive war. Over the course of the war, all the alliance in the south have become very good at it


Anyway, i doubt GoonSwarm will be the first against the wall

 

[SilverHood]

It's no surprise anyone that KOS are the oldest biggest noobs in EVE.

Fountain is very good yes, good ratting, good moons and all that. Although abit hard to control <completely> because of the Serpentis/Angel NPC stations smack bang in the middle. Easy for a hostile force to jump in supplies or even buy from the rather OK market there.

Perhaps, but BRUCE were the punchbag of everyone in Syndicate. They lived in a dead end constellation 4 jumps from empire. World + Dog used to go in there and give them a hard time. I don't think it can be much worse than that.

KOS are gonna get bummed as soon as this war is over. They're the only alliance in the south that doesn't have powerful friends.

The way I see it evolving: IAC, CVA and AAA form the western powerblock.
Goons, TCF and United Legion form the eastern powerblock with RA support, though they're intent on making pets of everyone in the drone regions.

KOS dies horribly and their space becomes TCF space.

 

[LordjOX]

Perhaps, but BRUCE were the punchbag of everyone in Syndicate. They lived in a dead end constellation 4 jumps from empire. World + Dog used to go in there and give them a hard time. I don't think it can be much worse than that.

KOS are gonna get bummed as soon as this war is over. They're the only alliance in the south that doesn't have powerful friends.

The way I see it evolving: IAC, CVA and AAA form the western powerblock.
Goons, TCF and United Legion form the eastern powerblock with RA support, though they're intent on making pets of everyone in the drone regions.

KOS dies horribly and their space becomes TCF space.

Yeah KOS are pretty much doomed. It's surprising that they have survived for so long down there. Especially when you see, read and hear how ineffecient their democratic "council" system is and how ineffecient their fleets are.

Next conflicts after BoB (several months from now), will probably be in the Drone Regions by RA and xxdeath (RA alts). Ethereal Dawn and Intrepid Crossing has Goon support afaik, so Chaos Incarnate stations probably next. Then the RK / SMASH stations in Drone regions.

Drone regions are seriously crap though, surprised why people wanna live there.

The north are more or less a super-NAP except Triumvirate and their friends there. But they are engaged with CVA and their allies super blobs atm for some reason.

So fat chance for smaller factions fighting for space in the south, it would have to be in the west or north with several smaller factions holding space there.

These insanely huge fleet fights are nothing but lag fests and just takes the piss when it comes to fun. But I guess it's how humans think, just outnumber anything and take the field. However CCP has to fuck ambulation and that bullshit and optimize the game for fleet fights and such.

 

[Ctuchik]

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These insanely huge fleet fights are nothing but lag fests and just takes the piss when it comes to fun. But I guess it's how humans think, just outnumber anything and take the field. However CCP has to fuck ambulation and that bullshit and optimize the game for fleet fights and such.

it is probably more or less as opimised as it can be at the moment. remember that theres a LOT of shit for the server(s) to keep track of when theres 500 - 600 ppl in one system all shooting and using drones and stuff.

i mean, with all the missiles and general projectiles, wrecks and shit flying around its bound to cause lag.

 

[Sharkith]

Anyway, i doubt GoonSwarm will be the first against the wall

Goons are making a lot of enemies as far as I can see most people see them as RA's meatshield.

The thing about it is you are also right. Its why the metagame in Eve is interesting - there is no way one person can have an overview of the whole thing because here are just too many different factors involved. In DAOC i was a small village where everyone almost knew everyone else. Eve is a metropolis in comparions. When you see that Goons have as many mambers as the whole Prydwen server then you relaise the scale of this game.

Shark/Nat

 

[Poag]

Goons are making a lot of enemies as far as I can see most people see them as RA's meatshield.

The thing about it is you are also right. Its why the metagame in Eve is interesting - there is no way one person can have an overview of the whole thing because here are just too many different factors involved. In DAOC i was a small village where everyone almost knew everyone else. Eve is a metropolis in comparions. When you see that Goons have as many mambers as the whole Prydwen server then you relaise the scale of this game.

Shark/Nat

Goons havn't made any enemies since the start of the war, everyone who hated us then still hates us now, they are just more verbal about it now as we have evicted most of them from there homes


As for the power blocks, nothing is decided yet, but there are a few people who are 'cool brosef' to the Goons and will remain so after the war

 

[Sharkith]

we will see - Goons have some very clever and decent members but some right twats as well. The latter could be their undoing if they aren't careful. I know enough to know that there are some very good PvP corps and alliances gunning for them but biding their time. Time will tell the tale.

I love the concept of the corp its as mad as a hatter and thats why it is so popular.

 

[Nate]

Ok I've got Adola Yola who's a Minmatar Miner in Kakol/Kador and Nate Yola who's an Amarr and not very much else(and another alt who I'm trying to delete! 10 hours wtf!!). There all year old chars.

Should I wait 10 hours and make a new char for something to PvP with? Do they get more points if you make a new one compared to the one thats a year old? and how easy is it to transfer from one char to another (I didn't really get much done the last time I played)

Looking forward to getting out of this silly sounding corp I'm in atm, Native Freshfood and getting to see some old DAoC faces!

You only get 3 char slots right?

 

[Ormorof]

just started playing Eve (played in beta but that was long time ago) this time had a bit more help and it seems to have improved hugely, having lots of fun at the moment, only flying around doing missions at the moment, am running around in the forge at the moment as a Caldari Soldier or something

 

[LordjOX]

Yeah chars made now are generally better than those made one - two - three etc years ago. Try reading some character generation guides to get a good Race-Bloodline-Specialization combo so you don't train skills too slow.

You get 3 character slots but can only train 1 char at a time. You can contract items to another chars but it's easiest to just have 2 accounts if you are planning to have more than one.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Yeah chars made now are generally better than those made one - two - three etc years ago.

People with clue specced their chars right from the beginning. There was not as much skills to choose, but the basic learning skills were there and how attributes including implants affected learning was always the same.

People without clue still spec to their disadvantage.

The only difference between the start of the game and soon after when missing running and NPC killing became valueable was that you either had to have good Industrial or Mining skills to get some ISK incoming as everything else sucked.

 

[taB]

The difference now is that a basic alt from a year ago started with 80k SP, now they start with 800k. Sometimes it's better to reprocess an old alt & make a new one if they've never trained anything. It's the equivalent of 3 wks training or some such when you start. They also have good advantages like reasonable reprocessing skills and corporation creation stuff.

This is hearsay tho as I have two accounts and both have a good bunch of SPs

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

80k?

In beta and at launch, through 2003, '04 and '05 and '06 (last time I made a trial acc I think) you could get odd 450k by speecing into Frigate 4 and some other skills right from the start.

It got doubled at some point, that's what I know.

 

[LordjOX]

People with clue specced their chars right from the beginning. There was not as much skills to choose, but the basic learning skills were there and how attributes including implants affected learning was always the same.

People without clue still spec to their disadvantage.

The only difference between the start of the game and soon after when missing running and NPC killing became valueable was that you either had to have good Industrial or Mining skills to get some ISK incoming as everything else sucked.

Hehe, it's easy to say that. But you never know how you evolve in the game. After over 2 years of play it's still hard to go back and reverse what you did because you didn't know what you were gonna do in the future.

I picked Caldari Deteis Scientists -> Industry Prospector because I thought the mining and industry aspect of the game was fun. At that time that was pretty good for a Caldari industrialist/miner before the Bloodlines expansion came 2 months later.

But after maybe half a year of mission running and mining I went the full PvP route, rather than rerolling. I didn't get an alt until 10 months after I started so...

Since you can train all skills in EVE it's hard to pick in the start. The tutorials back then weren't too good, you got dumped at a station, put in an Ibis and Aurora said "point your laser to those rocks and wait". What the hell is a noob to think?

Now you have tutorials for basically everything so people can find out what they thought looked cool. And there is ALOT of PvP chars like me with alot more SP and experience that started as industrialists with 24k skillpoints...

If you clicked the right buttons you could get racial frigate 3 + gunnery 4 or racial frigate 4 + gunnery 3 or something, depending on which career you went iirc. But mostly probably took what they got. Now the minimum is around 800k.

Clueless? I think not.

 

[taB]

I chose Amarr - Amarr because I thought it looked fun - the fact that I now hang around with a bunch of Minmatar marks me either as a good slaver or a sell-out . My stats are well distributed and with >90% of the skills I've got, I'm happy I trained them. After 18 months I consider that to be a success.

Interestingly I consider myself specced for combat yet after Spaceship Command, I have the most SP in Science and Electronics. This seems to be down to scanning and covert skills mostly.

for info:

Until now, people have been able to create over 1.400 possible character combinations. Thereof, 126 characters yielded under 6000 SP, but a player who got lucky (or knew the game enough to know what to pick) could get over 303.000 with one of the combinations. Furthermore, hundreds of combinations resulted in less than 20.000 SP, while only about 20 resulted above 275.000 SP.