Who's Who in Eve

[Maasu]

Your bad for being in KOS tbh!



Cool to see another face here. A bobbit aswell!
I see you joined today. Is it because FH is the "official unofficial" WAR forum?

PS: Can I have your stuff ?

Yup guilty as charged, FH was the main DAoC EU forum i've been told, makes sense it'll apply to WAR.

RE: My stuff, well, it's in the hands of other bobbits now, well thats if it hasn't been blown up yet ofc.

 

[Ctuchik]

Your bad for being in KOS tbh!

well it wasn't my choice to join them or not. and were not a member anymore so i guess i could log in and say "i told you so" to the boss. but then i'd have to find a new corp.....


anyone recruiting around MP5?

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Maasu and Hatepeace Lovewar are my characters in eve.

I'm sort of retired now, altho my characters are still in DICE, whom are in BoB alliance. Prior to that i was in Fatal Revelations, ATUK, Supremacy and Finally Omega Corp.

I used to play a lot around Curse, Stain region, until OC went and split up, then i went galavanting across the galaxy blowing stuff up.

I doubt i'll come back to the game seeing as WAR online is just on the horizon, but if i ever do keep an eye out for me in local .

Why ATUK and why BoB? I never understood people joining those (bad quality pilots corps), must have been the free ships/ISK? Not directed at you personally, just my general feeling and yes I've seen bad pilots in top notch PvP corps too, they usually got invited by a friend (of a friend).

 

[Maasu]

Mates really. You will find a core of Omega Corp went from Supremacy to ATUK to DICE.

I dunno how in your right mind you can call Bob bad quality pilots. I spent much of my time in eve fighting them, at some point we really disliked Evolution for their arrogance and the way they would act on the forums etc. However at no point did we think they were never any good. On the contoary they boast some of the best pvp'ers in the game.

'Bad quality pilots corps' - what do you mean something else by this statement? Other than you think their bad at the game, which is surely ludicrous, i can't quite gripe what your getting at.

As for ATUK, well i spent a lot of time there, and was far more active than i was in Bob, so for me to say that we rocked etc. is nothing short of arrogance so i won't. I just don't get you thinking Bob are bad at the game.

 

[Ctuchik]

no BoB isnt bad. they just use questionable tactics a tad more then most of the other alliances nowadays.

they got the rep hey have now from the GM scandal they were involved in a while ago. and ater also been caught activly crashing systems not to long after that also added up to the suspicion that if anything went wrong with the system/server and BoB was there, they caused it or got help from a dodgy GM.


sure they had a bad rep even before all this but it was mostly just sore losers talk. they just happened to get meat on their bones from all this crap. and loads jumped the bandwagon.

and honesty i cant blame them.


well anyway, just had a look at the territory map again and saw that BoB lost a tad more now.

 

[rynnor]

Every game needs a baddie and BOB were it - when I started eve Bob were the only group I knew about thanks to the dev scandal

I'm sure the goons will soon take their place as most hated tho.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Mates really. You will find a core of Omega Corp went from Supremacy to ATUK to DICE.

I dunno how in your right mind you can call Bob bad quality pilots. I spent much of my time in eve fighting them, at some point we really disliked Evolution for their arrogance and the way they would act on the forums etc. However at no point did we think they were never any good. On the contoary they boast some of the best pvp'ers in the game.

'Bad quality pilots corps' - what do you mean something else by this statement? Other than you think their bad at the game, which is surely ludicrous, i can't quite gripe what your getting at.

As for ATUK, well i spent a lot of time there, and was far more active than i was in Bob, so for me to say that we rocked etc. is nothing short of arrogance so i won't. I just don't get you thinking Bob are bad at the game.

I remeber OC and Supremacy, afair both CA corps and we used to fly together when I was in Corp 1. Good lads and crazy times.

As for Evolution which I consider the core of BoB, they got good pilots first when they got some of the former Space Invaders guys like Viceroy or m0o pilots like TWD. Pirates/PK'ers like them never had much ISK, assets (I was in SPVD and flew with m0o when Forsaken Empire raided Fountain after them), Evolution had, they mined from the start of the game until they got into Armageddons, while others gained PvP experience. That's what I mean with good pilots joining bad pilots. Podded Shrike's wingman once with a mate of mine so I know at least how MrMolle flies .

In the first Venal war, Xanadu's and Evolution's fleets didn't stand a chance against the first Venal Alliance, they had to take a political approach. In the first Fountain war Evolution's fleet of ~70 Battleships got trashed so badly by m0o and the Forsaken Empire, they had to negotiate their way out by paying ISK. In both cases some forum smacktalk followed of how it was all intended and that they only wanted to pick up loot in their former home systems. So to say I have first hand experience when dealing with them, I think they only became a power horse when they had decent (newly joined) pilots in all 3 time zones and the industry to back up the fleet.

I never saw Evolution admit that their got their asses handed and I know they did a lot. They always lost to an enemy of similar level and were just paying others to do the dirty job against some stronger enemies, killing newb alliances off on their own isn't good playing for me.

Can't say much against ATUK as I had too little experience with them, I personally only met a small fleet of 10 or so ATUK Battleships once in CA space, when we jumped them with half of that, they all warped off in different directions, so at least they obviously seemed to me like a bunch of headless chicken and didn't let shine ATUK for me in the way ATUK wanted to be seen.

I played Molly/Sally btw. and got bored from all that alliance bullshit after the mexican stand offs between CA and Stain. Got me Aeryn Sun once though in a Taranis vs. Claw so that made it up.

 

[Ctuchik]

Every game needs a baddie and BOB were it

yep, and before BoB it was Cursed Alliance (CA) and before that it was M0o

probably somethig in between those to as i had some major vacations around those times.

 

[Maasu]

Yea i remember the first Venal war, i was in TTI, but under a different account (Tehel Necrona). In open engagements, they (Evolution) were vastly outnumbered and yes your right they used diplomacy to divide the alliance. Yet they went on to claim they'd defeat the VA and it was down totheir superior fighting skills.

I even remember fighting Evol when i was back in OC, and on many occastions we wiped the floor with them - but yep, they'd never admit it.

They did have a superiority complex, i still, after fighting against them for about 2 to 3 years, have to hand it to what they later managed to achieve (staying together as a corp for one).

The whole explot lark well i think you could find examples of both sides doing that. Certainly RA and Goons, and yep BoB, but ultiamtley, your going to get idiots on both sides. Be it someone who hacks e-mail address to gain access to private forums, someone who dos attacks a team speak server or even a dev funding his own selfish agenda. I've seen this across many alliances in many scenario's (well maybe not the dev bit).

These idiots ruin the reputation of alliances and those genuine players that just want to log on, have a fight, and then log for the evening.

Back when i was in CA, we used to have sort of an unwritten arrangement with SA (Stain alliance), to meet in U-Q at around 8pm and kick the living shit out of each other. At the end of it you'd see stuff like 'GG', 'See you 2morrow' etc. in local. That's just a unique scenario tho, i rarely see it in any sort of competetive online enviroment. Big shame really.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Oh, you're Tehel! Man, good times, SPVD + TTI that was good fun and the whole universe crying about it.

 

[LordjOX]

May I remind the EVE oldtimers that things that happened, corps, alliances or people don't really apply now? The game and the players actually evolve with time

Personally I don't get this anti-bob minigame people got going nowdays, there are plenty of other baddies flying out there.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

May I remind the EVE oldtimers that things that happened, corps, alliances or people don't really apply now? The game and the players actually evolve with time

Yeah, you may remind us of that. You might as well tell us what happened and why it doesn't apply please and how the players evolved.

I see little to no differences, the game has more ships, modules etc and it's easier to make ISK, the human factor stayed the same. I can name several alliances that are led by people that play the game from the start (BoB, MC, Insurgency, RA for example) - they value what happened and play/fly with people they can trust because of the past.

 

[LordjOX]

Yeah, you may remind us of that. You might as well tell us what happened and why it doesn't apply please and how the players evolved.

I see little to no differences, the game has more ships, modules etc and it's easier to make ISK, the human factor stayed the same. I can name several alliances that are led by people that play the game from the start (BoB, MC, Insurgency, RA for example) - they value what happened and play/fly with people they can trust because of the past.

So you really don't believe people change or that changes how they play the game since 2004?

I agree that adding new toys to the game doesn't change player mentality too much. But you can't say that people/corps that were bad pvpers or whatever in '04 still are the same. First of all the player population of EVE has more than quadrupled since that time. Corps or alliances from that time aren't filled with exactly the same playerbase, too stay competitive in 0.0 alot of corps needed new players to hold the alliance structure together. More players means more opinions, even corps that started as miners could have gotten more pvp players and thus evolved. Same the other way around.

 

[Kev]

My main pvp char is a 29 mill SP Amarr specialist named Scaramunga Scaramai of INFOD and Filthy Scum fame (was recently interviewed by ISD for a main news post \o/) We have just left The Church alliance and have fixed security status again so we can join Privateers and harass the shit out of carebears in high sec.

I have other accounts that i use to grind isk in the Poinen region of space. One Logistics alt and one gallante / caldari char that fly's the DPS battleships. Ive been hardcore in eve now for nearly 6 years and tbh i love it. It's the only game to get close to the feeling that you get from a good 8v8 fight win or loose. The fact that you can loose everything makes the game appealing. I fly a Paladin at the moment with 5bn invested just in the tank and every time i take it into combat its a buzz

The lag as people have said at the moment is horrendus but thats what you get when you have 43K peeps on one server (max user count from Sunday primetime). They will be adding even more hardware to TQ soon and they have been planning an entire database layer swapout for a long time and i for one can't wait for it to happen.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

But you can't say that people/corps that were bad pvpers or whatever in '04 still are the same.

Listening to a fleet commander with 100 people on Vent/TS made them prolly even worse PvP'ers. A lot of people are just hiding in a capital &/ BS fleet because their safely earned ISK and off-line learned skills allow them to do so.

 

[LordjOX]

Cool to see a new face in this section Kev, keep posting here
29m SP after playing EVE for 6 years? I guess that comes from daoc hiatuses....

Listening to a fleet commander with 100 people on Vent/TS made them prolly even worse PvP'ers. A lot of people are just hiding in a capital &/ BS fleet because their safely earned ISK and off-line learned skills allow them to do so.

You are strong with generalizing people, but I'll leave it at that

 

[Kev]

Cool to see a new face in this section Kev, keep posting here
29m SP after playing EVE for 6 years? I guess that comes from daoc hiatuses....

hehe Scaramunga is a new char that i made after my last stint in daoc

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

You are strong with generalizing people, but I'll leave it at that

Generally speaking the majority of a player base in a MMOG has little to no skill and tries to go the way of the lowest opposition. So yeah, I am strong on pointing out how the general situation is by generalizing.

 

[Maasu]

Listening to a fleet commander with 100 people on Vent/TS made them prolly even worse PvP'ers. A lot of people are just hiding in a capital &/ BS fleet because their safely earned ISK and off-line learned skills allow them to do so.

An interesting arguement, and one i wouldn't want to ignore outright.

You could analyze how strict FC's, i remember in ATUK for example, you got your targets, and the order when to warp out, that was pretty much it. ATUK however was not your run of the mill corp, and many pilots prior to joining would have a lot of pvp experience and skillpoints.

This style of play contrasted to OC's, where they would litterally recruit anyone 'with the right attitude', and by that, they meant you shut the f**k up, listen on ts, and follow the orders to the letter. No room for cowboys or ego's, the only people allowed to talk during combat was FC's and scouts.

Both were succesful corps, yet one encourged iniative and the other prefered only those capable use their's. I learnt so much in both, and would have to say that before joining OC i wasn't half the pvp'er i was when i left.

So to look at the initial discussion of whether or not operating in a fleet reduces your ability to pvp, I think it's how you classify what makes a good 'PvPer'.

Sitting in a fleet, or roaming gank squad isn't going to make you an 1v1'ing machine, capable of solo'ing a polaris frigate in a rifter, but it will improve your tactical and situational appreciation of PvP, and the nature of game mechanics, something which i think is far more important to PvP in Eve, as a whole.

 

[taB]

That's a nice post

Personally, I'm shit at PVP.

 

[Jenkz]

Me and Krissy (DAoC, alb/pryd) are still in EVE since 2004, currently in IRON and bored to buggery barely logging in. Like 50mil skillpoints now.

Pewpew in EVE can be fun but I need a new home and new goal

 

[rynnor]

Me and Krissy (DAoC, alb/pryd)

Lol - I havent spoken to Krissy in years - is he perhaps in eve as charname=krissy?

 

[Jenkz]

Lol - I havent spoken to Krissy in years - is he perhaps in eve as charname=krissy?

Nope

 

[LordjOX]

That's a nice post

Personally, I'm shit at PVP.

Aya good post there Maasu.
I'm also kinda shit in PvP, but atleast I fit my ship proper and add +1 cannon fodder to the fleet / gang and have some fun, can't complain
I'm not that able-to-fly-deadspace-faction-BS-and-kill-20-people-solo type of guy

 

[rynnor]

The biggest poblem with Eve pvp is the dis-connects - I mean no-one can really complain about losing a ship in pvp but when you get dis-connected to find yourself in a pod it kinda takes the shine off

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

So to look at the initial discussion of whether or not operating in a fleet reduces your ability to pvp, I think it's how you classify what makes a good 'PvPer'.

Sitting in a fleet, or roaming gank squad isn't going to make you an 1v1'ing machine, capable of solo'ing a polaris frigate in a rifter, but it will improve your tactical and situational appreciation of PvP, and the nature of game mechanics, something which i think is far more important to PvP in Eve, as a whole.

Oh, I didn't want to say that being a fleet member makes you a worse PvP'er per se. It's just so easy to build up a corp with little to no combat oriented PvP and join some 0.0 alliance and sit in those big blog fleets. I think we both agree that someone who tried all kinds of combat PvP (solo, small scale, fleet) before going to join an 0.0 alliance will be the better Fleet Battleship pilot, even if he has just to listen to the Fleet Commander.

Today I see a lot of players who haven't PvP'ed much and are in 0.0, claiming space.

 

[Sharkith]

Oh, I didn't want to say that being a fleet member makes you a worse PvP'er per se. It's just so easy to build up a corp with little to no combat oriented PvP and join some 0.0 alliance and sit in those big blog fleets. I think we both agree that someone who tried all kinds of combat PvP (solo, small scale, fleet) before going to join an 0.0 alliance will be the better Fleet Battleship pilot, even if he has just to listen to the Fleet Commander.

Today I see a lot of players who haven't PvP'ed much and are in 0.0, claiming space.

I tend to agree with you Manisch but there are exceptions. There are people out there who prefer small gang fights and who are trying to work out different tic tacs very like what you seein DAOC. R.E.P.O. for example are a very good empire based PvP corp, they might blob from time to time but they know their stuff - they certainly give us a very good fight. Of course Eve is full of zergs and blobs - what else are the masses going to do to protect their assets? However, there is nothing more satisfying than going into a fght lower in numbers and still coming out with a few kills and no losses.

This is what we have been trying to do. The trouble is that it has taken 8 months to get the basic people together its only now that we are beginning to innovate or at the very least use all of the different options for different situations. For example, there is nothing funnier than watching a "hey I'm invulnerable" nano Ishtar or Vagabond pilot's ship grind to a halt when it gets jumped by a rapier and Arazu combination.

Look around - 0.0 is full of people with stuff to lose - the more they bring big guns to the table the more they have to lose and the more they have to lose the more they blob. Its why there are node crashes and why it is unplayable. It is exactly why the great southern war is turning into boredom for a lot of players and its why people are deserting it. Mabe I am wrong - but frankly I could not give a shit what happens down there!

The future of eve is about having small gangs and enjoying trying to get people to engage on fairly even terms. We have had some nice exchanges with our recent opposition - total respect to people like R.E.P.O. for example.

 

[LordjOX]

The future of eve is about having small gangs and enjoying trying to get people to engage on fairly even terms. We have had some nice exchanges with our recent opposition - total respect to people like R.E.P.O. for example.

Here I both agree and disagree. Small gangs will never be the future. Only a small % of EVE is empire and to hold 0.0 you need the blob. Sad but true.
However there seems to be a growing culture of "honor" among EVE players, not to the extreme where you could get hate mails by "adding" in a 8v8 but a culture where people come to even turns and fight it out for honor, not only the loot or "to win".

Hopefully in the future we will see smaller factions of 50-100 active pilots trying to take 0.0 space vs. equal peers. Because atm the game mechanics don't support these super blobs nowdays. People get sick and tired and just don't want to play because of this and look after new ground. But they don't want to move to empire and be highsec pirates or whatever.

 

[SilverHood]

I just joined Tortuga as part of a new start up. Still sitting in empire, wondering how the hell I'm gonna get to Period Basis, but that's another issue.

If I go through querious, I run the chance of being shot at by BpB, IAC, BOS and AAA. If I go through Stain / Catch, I run the chance of being shot at by IAC, AAA, SE, eXceed and everyone else in stain.

All in all, a dillema. May have to do a late night run and hope for the best

 

[LordjOX]

I just joined Tortuga as part of a new start up. Still sitting in empire, wondering how the hell I'm gonna get to Period Basis, but that's another issue.

If I go through querious, I run the chance of being shot at by BpB, IAC, BOS and AAA. If I go through Stain / Catch, I run the chance of being shot at by IAC, AAA, SE, eXceed and everyone else in stain.

All in all, a dillema. May have to do a late night run and hope for the best

Haha, now that sucks. Is there no low-sec place you can jump your equipment down and then go down in a covert-ops or interceptor? Or else the market in Period Basis better be good