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Getting a bit better now, placement of buildings and depots is really quite important. Before I was just building everything I could, but a structured build order is much better.

Its hard to remember to keep infantry and SCV's constantly building whilst also attacking, I love watching the action, but Im obviously losing a lot of good building time when I do skirmishes.

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I got excited that there was a new patch, but then there wasn't any exciting changes :(
 

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Is anyone else having trouble with mass mutalisks? They seem a little op, fast moving, air/ground attack. What is their weakness?
 

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PAst experience?(prepatches)

Marine/medic ball.

or

Vikings.

Seemed to work fine atleast.
 

old.Tohtori

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In my exp, thors are too expensive and take way too long for a first muta-ball attack.

If ou know enemy is going muta, they have 2 bases, go marine/medic or viking(if you have mass abilkity), then go along and get thors.

Ofcourse, it's all about playstyle, thors are much less micro heavy :p
 

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Thors (assuming you are terran). Protoss don't have a real counter imo. The key is putting enough pressure on them with a well timed attack before they get 10+ mutas out. That or open with pheonixes to stop them going spire in the first place.
 

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vs zerg you can rarely fail with early thors. many gold games can be won by rushing 1 thor + 6 marines and 5 workers.
 

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When would you guys recommend doing my first online match? Is it worth practicing vs Computer on a specified difficulty first or memorising several decent build orders?
 

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When would you guys recommend doing my first online match? Is it worth practicing vs Computer on a specified difficulty first or memorising several decent build orders?

The AI is better practice than practice league, I'd just get 1 solid build order down vs each race and then get started.
 

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always play on the fastest game speed when practising since that's what ranked matches are played at, practise league doesn't let you do that so it isn't any use for practising real games
 

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Got full game now but still a tiny fucking screen lol anyway my name is Celestial.483 so add me if you wanna do some games or whatever.
 

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Mass mutas are easily countered with Marine + Medivacs, but super important is getting those upgrades and stimpack, and please use more than 2-3 medivacs, you need at least 8-10 vs mass mutas, cus they will just hunt those down first if you only have a few.

Toss only have 2 options really, either fast Phoenix to hunt overlords and kill the mutas before they get a lot, or Stalkers with upgrades and Blink untill you can get High Templars. Psyonic Storm still owns Mutas if used properly.
 

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I woke up early for the GSL finals, it just starting now :D
 

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Toss only have 2 options really, either fast Phoenix to hunt overlords and kill the mutas before they get a lot, or Stalkers with upgrades and Blink untill you can get High Templars. Psyonic Storm still owns Mutas if used properly.

Or, just attack them early with a shit ton of gateway units. That way you keep the battles in their home yard, and you can keep their muta count low since they'll have to make lings and roaches.
 

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Awesome finals although games were kind of short.

I think Foxer gave it away on Jungle Basin and Metalopolis, safe build into 2 base and just deny zergs third and it's gg in his favour instead of stupid allins.
 

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Won my first placement game, scared to start another incase I come across someone who dosent tech to BC's straight away with about 3 marines and 2 ravens guarding base. Hmmm.
 

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I got fucking boned in my placement games :p I reckon it's best to just get them out of the way in one big session tbh.
 

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Won my first placement game, scared to start another incase I come across someone who dosent tech to BC's straight away with about 3 marines and 2 ravens guarding base. Hmmm.

dont say a bad word about ravens:eek:




















;)
 

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you might as well just play the placement games, they said they are gonna reset the ladder in a month or two anyway

also gsl season 3 starts on monday :clap: more foreigners have qualified than previous seasons
 

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Do they do that often? What's the reason for that?
 

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lost my 2nd placement match Vs a early zergling rusher, just outplayed me really. Are all the placement match's vs other people playing placement games or people in the leagues? the has been a striking skill difference between the 2 matches ive played so far!
 

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lost my 2nd placement match Vs a early zergling rusher, just outplayed me really. Are all the placement match's vs other people playing placement games or people in the leagues? the has been a striking skill difference between the 2 matches ive played so far!

All should be placement peeps. Though you could be playing against a Craft1-vet that's been playing pro-circles for years ;)

One good reason for ladder resets is that it fixes a lot of placement issues too, sets pieces in correct places more efficiently.
 

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All should be placement peeps. Though you could be playing against a Craft1-vet that's been playing pro-circles for years ;)

Ill go back to getting thrashed vs Hard AI for the moment then, dont wanna ruin my 50% win/lose score xD


Also heard a lot of good players mostly play VS friends instead of leagues because you get random game types.
 

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league is quickmatch melee or whatever its called, always - unless its bugged


Oh no I meant that if someone plays with a good mate, his mate prolly wont cheese him, but I guess it happens in the leagues a lot.
 

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Oh no I meant that if someone plays with a good mate, his mate prolly wont cheese him, but I guess it happens in the leagues a lot.

Not as often as you'd think, but it's also a legitimate tactic which you can learn to defend against ;)
 

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Yeah just learn a safe standard opening and the triggers you need to scout for so you can react to cheese in time. It then usually comes down to who has the best micro (which is usually you because people who like to cheese a lot on ladder are generally terrible at sc).

The ladder resets are because they are planning on having regular ladder 'seasons' where it will be reset for each season. Although you will still keep your achievements and more importantly hidden rating, so it will still place you vs the same difficulty opponents straight away each season. They are also introducing 2 new leagues above diamond: Master League, and Grand Master League. I hear that master league will be ~top 5% of diamond and GM league will be the top 100 players on the entire server.
 

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when they say top 5% does that depend on your ladder rating or the hidding rating thing?

Also, what is the point of the bonus pool? I dont actually know how much i have improved since getting into diamond because of it.
 

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