Games Well done Texans and fuck you beeb

[Scouse]

So. The beeb's got this story about more than 60,000 texans signing a petition to be allowed to peacefully secede from the United States and form their own government.

The beeb, IMO rather cynically, picks this salient fact out as their justification:

The text complains of "blatant abuses" of Americans' rights.
It cites the Transportation Security Administration, whose staff have been accused of intrusive screening at airports

Oooh. Intrusive checks. It's true. But it makes the story feel a little silly and unimportant doesn't it?

I'm long past thinking that the beeb isn't involved in putting a slant on stories to keep the real story mildly suppressed (there's a pattern of them underreporting - for me I started to see it when they didn't bother mentioning regular riots I witnessed in Bradford). Therefore, I was unsurprised when the beeb failed to mention the "blatant abuse of American's rights" - stated clearly in the text of the petition - of the National Defence Authorisation Act - or NDAA.

The ACLU says this:

On December 31, 2011, President Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), codifying indefinite military detention without charge or trial into law for the first time in American history.

...and worse.


Now, this is going to go nowhere. Any government that signs that into law (never mind how they've been acting for a long time) is facist by definition - and gives zero fucks about due process and the rights of people.

However, I do like the petition and the coverage.

Lets hope the Yanks remember what the constitution gives them their guns for, eh?

 

[ECA]

Scouse, no offence but you're a bit of a cocktard here.
Citizens used the constitution to get an injunction against that section of the NDAA already, ie it can't be used by the administration.

The secession crap is the butthurt remains of the ultra retards who actually think obama is a socialist communist secret muslim.
Sad the beeb is even really covering it.

 

[Raven]

I have one of those loons on facebook, no idea where I know him from but he is too hilarious to get rid of. I could feel the pain when Obama won, beautiful stuff. Most states have one of these petitions, comedy gold from the mentally ill right.

I do agree about the BBC though. I don't think there is any sinister plot though, I just think they are a terrible news outlet, lazy journalists and sub GCSE level staff writers.

 

[Ormorof]

didnt Texas at one point have the right to secede from the union? something about Texas being one of only states that was invited to join rather than applied to join

 

[Everz]

didnt Texas at one point have the right to secede from the union? something about Texas being one of only states that was invited to join rather than applied to join

It does and the seeming majority of people down there consider themselves Texan and not American. The only flags I ever saw there was the lone star. Remember Texas was originally it's own country and was invited to join the Union and it's probably the only state that could easily be independent from the US.

 

[Scouse]

The secession crap is the butthurt remains of the ultra retards who actually think obama is a socialist communist secret muslim.

I don't necessarily disagree with this bit. However, at least the ultra retards have done something interesting and noteworthy. Even if the reasons for their actions are misplaced an extreme response to extreme legislation is a good, not a bad, thing.

Scouse, no offence but you're a bit of a cocktard here.
Citizens used the constitution to get an injunction against that section of the NDAA already, ie it can't be used by the administration.

I don't think I am. It happens with lots of laws - you put some amazing bullshit in there that's designed to be removed so you can get the bits of it you really want through.

And last I looked, Obama'd broken his pledge to close Guantanamo as one of his "first acts in office" and there are still people going through military tribunals rather than facing an open court.

All administrations play close to the wind. If it's legal, so much the better, if it's illegal - then as long as they can defend themselves in court and maybe only come a-cropper of a tiny wrist-slap then they're going to do it anyway.

Just like with waterboarding, sorry, torture...

I do agree about the BBC though. I don't think there is any sinister plot though, I just think they are a terrible news outlet, lazy journalists and sub GCSE level staff writers.

It could well be this - I agree about lazy journo's in all walks of the media - but it does happen in particular patterns.

I'm absolutely 100% certain it's involved in expecations management however.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Wasn't it that Obama couldn't, not wouldn't, shut down Guantanamo due to some political bullcrap?

 

[DaGaffer]

didnt Texas at one point have the right to secede from the union? something about Texas being one of only states that was invited to join rather than applied to join

Once they were readmitted to the Union in 1870 that ship firmly sailed (despite what modern "Republic of Texas" fruitcakes may claim). The USA doesn't have a mechanism for secession under law, simple as that.

As for the idea that Texans see the NDAA as a secession issue/opportunity; let's put it this way, nine states are blocking the NDAA as unconstitutional and Texas isn't one of them. In fact that bunch of hyper-conservative xenophobic religious whackadoodle fucknuts would probably the biggest fans of locking away dirty furriners and throwing away the key, they just aren't so keen when the same rules can be applied to god-fearin' white folks.

 

[throdgrain]

I think Scouse is bang on. The BBC slant everything to suit their left-wing (read: 100% minute control of your life) bias. It intrudes hugely into peoples lives, and actually becomes the accepted wisdom. Even a bloke I know was "liking" a post on FB calling for the banning of bottles in pubs.

 

[Aoami]

Bottles should be banned in pubs because its daylight fucking robbery the amount most places charge for next to no alcohol

 

[Scouse]

the banning of bottles in pubs.

What? Just what?

Bottles should be banned in pubs because its daylight fucking robbery the amount most places charge for next to no alcohol

Just don't fucking buy them then ffs?

 

[throdgrain]

He was supporting it because someone got hit on the head with one and died, therefore the blokes wife was campaigning for bottles to be banned. I know it's harsh, and must be terrible for her, but lets face it, if we banned heads, he's never have got hit on his would he? If we'd banned him, he wouldnt have been there? Where does it stop?

 

[Fweddy]

Just make everyone in the pub wear a hard hat like on a building site. Sorted!

 

[Scouse]

the blokes wife was campaigning for bottles to be banned

People like this can cunt off tbfh. My mum included. She's fully in support of 20mph everywhere, speed cameras up the kazoo, the death penalty for people who drive too fast etc. 'cause she has no sense of perspective after losing her husband.

Bradley Wiggins can cunt off too - "make bicyle helmets a legal requirement" - STOP RIDING INTO STUPID WOMEN WIGGO YOU TWAT

 

[ECA]

Bike helmets don't do shit anyway.

 

[Tom]

I'm all for banning glass bottles in pubs. They make very effective weapons when broken, and we all know that drunk people can sometimes become violent people. What difference does drinking from a plastic bottle make?

 

[Raven]

People should be made to roll around in big inflatable bubbles so they can't hurt themselves or others.

 

[Scouse]

I'm all for banning glass bottles in pubs. They make very effective weapons when broken, and we all know that drunk people can sometimes become violent people. What difference does drinking from a plastic bottle make?

Lots. Lots and lots to the flavour and the feel. I don't drink out of cans for the same reason and hate it when at I gig I get plastic cups too.

In my 21 years of legally being allowed to go to pubs - and making that visit on at least a weekly basis to this day (and generally a lot more than that) - I've seen less than five fights. None of which had a weapon involved.

I've also only ever met one lad who'd been glassed - and that was with a pint glass. Are we going to ban pint glasses now too?

It's barely a problem at all. The sort of places that fights are commonplace get a reputation and close down quickly.

The world is not coming to an end because of glass bottles.

 

[Raven]

Don't see many fights round here either.

And yeah, beer out of plastic or tin tastes of wank.

 

[cHodAX]

I've also only ever met one lad who'd been glassed - and that was with a pint glass. Are we going to ban pint glasses now too?

Two people, you probably don't remember but I was glassed a few years back for fuck all.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Never seen anyone being glassed, maybe two fights my whole life inside a bar.

Welcome to finland

Shame that wanker countries, or countries with wankers, will probably ruin a lot more stuff for us.

 

[opticle]

Two people, you probably don't remember but I was glassed a few years back for fuck all.

I was too.

Well, it was my fault in a way - I tried to calm a situation down where another friend was having someone try to start a fight with him for no reason at all.

You'd have thought I'd be safe from several metres away, but it turns out drunk people can sometimes have pretty good aim

 

[DaGaffer]

Seen two glassings, both with broken pint glasses. I've seen someone threatened with a bottle, but not actually used.

Wouldn't be keen on a ban personally, because statistically its too small an issue to waste resources on, and yes beer in plastic tastes horrible.

 

[Tom]

Lots. Lots and lots to the flavour and the feel. I don't drink out of cans for the same reason and hate it when at I gig I get plastic cups too.

What a load of rubbish. There are no taste buds in your lips, so you must be french-kissing your drinks like some cheap whore.

Try drinking them instead.

 

[Raven]

Actually the flavour is very different from plastic to glass. You wouldn't drink wine out of a plastic beaker would you?

 

[opticle]

It surely must be something to do with the temperature/texture of glass vs. plastic ?

Unless its plastic-smell getting in the drink ?

Otherwise I've never understood this.

 

[Tom]

Actually the flavour is very different from plastic to glass. You wouldn't drink wine out of a plastic beaker would you?

I wouldn't drink wine full stop, because it tastes like Vimto and vinegar.

 

[Scouse]

What a load of rubbish. There are no taste buds in your lips, so you must be french-kissing your drinks like some cheap whore.

Couple of things here.

Firstly, what you store a liquid in has a tendency to alter the flavour. For example, you could pour a beer out of a can and into a glass and taste the difference between that and the same drink that's been stored properly.

Secondly, what you drink out of is integral to the experience of drink. Glass touches your lips, is firm and cold and solid. The beer flows freely from glass - more so than plastic. Glasses don't warp in your hands or at your lips - which you can feel every time - and if you don't think something you feel and notice every time makes a big difference to the experience then you're lying to yourself.


I was tempted to go along the "my palate must be better than yours" route - but the above points are salient, pertinent and slightly less emotive than yours


Edit:

I wouldn't drink wine full stop, because it tastes like Vimto and vinegar.

Lol! Yep. My palate is better than yours

 

[Scouse]

Unless its plastic-smell getting in the drink ?

Good point - smell and taste are very closely intertwined. Inseparabale.

For this reason alone plastic cups alter the taste of drinks...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Hey Scouse you're wrong, that's why the best scotch comes in cans