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It's just two he wants!...... *few years later* annnnd another two.... and another two.... that sneaky devil!
 
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BloodOmen said:
It's just two he wants!...... *few years later* annnnd another two.... and another two.... that sneaky devil!
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His speech implied that none of Ukraine has a right to exist and the force is big enough to take the whole country now.

Sincerely wishing him penile cancer.
 
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Wij said:
His speech implied that none of Ukraine has a right to exist and the force is big enough to take the whole country now.

Sincerely wishing him penile cancer.
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Attack all of his supporters wallets, see how long the fucker lasts in power then.
 
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Attack all of his supporters wallets, see how long the fucker lasts in power then.
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Definitely. All the oligarchs houses, business and football clubs should be seized by all western governments.
 
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Wij said:
Definitely. All the oligarchs houses, business and football clubs should be seized by all western governments.
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Of course Johnson made Lebedev a lord so that would be tricky for him.
 
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Gwadien said:
I thought he was Putin's mate?

news.sky.com

Ukraine-Russia tensions: 'Nobody knows where Russia would stop' after invasion, warns ex-Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko

Petro Poroshenko told Sky News that Poland, the Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia), the Czech Republic, Romania or Bulgaria could be in Vladimir Putin's sights in future.
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Poroshenko? Not really. He took office after the Euromaidan and led the country to fight back against the Russian invasion of East Ukraine for 5 years. If anything he talked tougher on Putin than Zelenskyy does although he is a bit shady too.
 
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Send the QE2 and give the F35s some live fire practice.
 
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I don't really know anything about this conflict so please excuse my naivety. Does Donbas want to be a part of Russia?
 
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Aoami said:
I don't really know anything about this conflict so please excuse my naivety. Does Donbas want to be a part of Russia?
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A small minority did but they have been supported by Russian troops and agents pretending to be Ukrainian. Kyiv could have quelled that small rebellion years ago if it wasn't being supplied arms by Russia. Indeed the rebellion wouldn't have happened if they hadn't had prior agreement with Moscow that it would be supported.

Moscow tries to pretend that people whose first language is Russian should be treated as though they all would prefer to be Russian citizens. The reality is that about half of Ukraine speaks Russian first and Ukrainian second but they are almost all bilingual. The current president is a Russian-first speaker but that in no way makes him or anyone else want to be ruled by Moscow. Most remember the Holodomor.
 
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Do you think we get involved any further than heavy sanctions if they go for a full invasion?
 
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Do you think we get involved any further than heavy sanctions if they go for a full invasion?
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Apart from giving Ukraine lots of weapons, I highly doubt it.

That's the problem though, our involvement is just going to ramp up the amount of deaths, for a war that Ukraine will always lose conventionally.

It'll be interesting to see what Russia would do if Ukraine decided to pull back to the Donetsk and Luhansk borders and then ask Russia 'what now?'

And contrary to the views that @Wij has, I don't think the vast majority of Ukranians give a shit if they're in pocket of Russia or the West, they just want to get on with their lives, which is why it makes a perfect proxy war location.
 
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Aoami said:
Do you think we get involved any further than heavy sanctions if they go for a full invasion?
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Send anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons and financial aid.

I'd want a no-fly-zone but no way Germany would allow that :)

We won't send ground troops against Russia. That was never going to happen despite what the Stop The War cunts were wailing over.
 
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And contrary to the views that @Wij has, I don't think the vast majority of Ukranians give a shit if they're in pocket of Russia or the West, they just want to get on with their lives, which is why it makes a perfect proxy war location.
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Probably this.
 
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Since 2014 Ukrainian opinion has turned markedly away from Russia, understandably so. They absolutely do not want to be run by Russia. You can ask them if you wish. They are actual people.
 
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And by definition, the Russian Army invading its neighbour is not a proxy war. It's a war.

Putin: So this 'Russian Army'. Well I think I may have heard of it. And you think somehow it is connected to me or the Russian state? Interesting proposition but no.
 
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Wij said:
Since 2014 Ukrainian opinion has turned markedly away from Russia, understandably so. They absolutely do not want to be run by Russia. You can ask them if you wish. They are actual people.
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I wonder if the opinion is different between those who still live there and those who have left though?
 
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Wij said:
And by definition, the Russian Army invading its neighbour is not a proxy war. It's a war.
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Well no, but Ukraine defo are representing the 'West'.

Do you really think the West is interesting in helping Ukraine or saving face? Which has the priority? I think it's the latter.

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Since 2014 Ukrainian opinion has turned markedly away from Russia, understandably so. They absolutely do not want to be run by Russia. You can ask them if you wish. They are actual people.
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Kinda hard to do since both perceptions are coming through either a filter of pro-West or pro-Russia, and even more so in the last couple of weeks.

I think I should stress again, I absolutely think Putin is a bastard, but I don't think we're angels, I do believe that there was a coordinated effort to get a pro-West Government going in Ukraine, much like anywhere in the world.

Honestly, if I was Ukranian, I'd be pissed at both sides, because they're both treating Ukraine like a little pawn in a bigger game.
 
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View: https://youtu.be/2bNzjBJF_G0


I think I posted this before...

But yeah, from the people he speaks to it's pretty clear that the people see their regions as reliant on Russia and don't get much support from Ukraine/the West.
 
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Aoami said:
I wonder if the opinion is different between those who still live there and those who have left though?
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Nope. Putin has soured most of the goodwill towards Russia.
 
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Gwadien said:
Well no, but Ukraine defo are representing the 'West'.
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They are representing not wanting to be invaded for fucks sake. The west doesn't have tanks rolling into Ukraine. Foreign bases are actually banned under the Ukrainian constitution.
 
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