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So the evacuation corriders are actually to Belarus or Russia. (if the ceasefire ever holds and the International Red Cross said one of those they tried to use previously had been mined)
 
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Absolutely mental, in the 21st century we are seeing medieval tactics. Barbaric.
 
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Raven said:
The future of ground warfare, Russian style.

Such advance! So future!

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This is in response to the use of nlaws and javelins although I'm not sure what good it would do on non armoured vehicles.

Nlaws and Javelins use tandem rounds where an initial explosion creates a hole in the armour for the actual round to go in and cause the damage.

What I don't get is that tandem rounds have been about for years so I dunno why they're having to adapt as if they weren't expecting it...
 
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Gwadien said:
This is in response to the use of nlaws and javelins although I'm not sure what good it would do on non armoured vehicles.

Nlaws and Javelins use tandem rounds where an initial explosion creates a hole in the armour for the actual round to go in and cause the damage.

What I don't get is that tandem rounds have been about for years so I dunno why they're having to adapt as if they weren't expecting it...
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I don't think they were expecting it, it's the single thing the UK can take any credit for, the response since has been shambolic.

Edit, except for the public ofc, we are sending a metric fuckton of stuff, actual useful stuff.
 
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I don't think they were expecting it, it's the single thing the UK can take any credit for, the response since has been shambolic.

Edit, except for the public ofc, we are sending a metric fuckton of stuff, actual useful stuff.
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No, but that's the point, they should be expecting it, they started making tandem rounds theirselves in the 80s, and Javelins have been around for years, it's just sheer incompetence.
 
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No, but that's the point, they should be expecting it, they started making tandem rounds theirselves in the 80s, and Javelins have been around for years, it's just sheer incompetence.
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No, but that's the point, they should be expecting it, they started making tandem rounds theirselves in the 80s, and Javelins have been around for years, it's just sheer incompetence.
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Putin and his mafia have been syphoning money out of the Russian military as much as any other sector. They just fall back on bombarding civilians with 80s weaponry, worked for them so far, until Ukraine ofc.
 
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The sleepers might do something, but the silver birch won't even stop an AK round. Besides these particular trucks are pontoon bridge trucks so I doubt that they'll be wasting an NLAW or Javelin on them.
 
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There's a few reasons for this:

1. Russian doctrine is that the various supply forces should be operating in secured areas, only running close to rail heads that have already been secured (Russian logistics is massively rail based). The Russians have had to use loads more trucks because the Ukrainians demolished the rail heads from Russia as soon as the war started. The Russians also didn't plan for loads of mini-units running around behind their "lines" with advanced AT weapons, which is amazing given Russian/Soviet history of partisans in this area.
2. The standard anti-armour defence for Russian tanks/APCs is "ERA"*, explosive reactive armour, which is expensive so can't be justified for supposedly rear echelon equipment.
3. Infantry and basically anyone who isn't a tanker, absolutely hate ERA. Any vehicle using it increases the chance of you being killed if you're nearby because of all this extra explosive shit going off. Its just about manageable with tanks through training and doctrine but for soft vehicles it just doesn't work because troops are on and off trucks all the time. (*There are non-explosive versions of ERA but they're useless against NLAWs and Javelins anyway).
4. The Russians really didn't think they'd be facing thousands of modern western AT missiles; in Chechnya and Syria etc. all they've ever faced are various flavours of their own old shit like RPGs. They miscalculated because Javelins are really expensive (so they didn't expect to face many) but NLAWs are, relatively speaking, dirt cheap (175 grand v. 20 grand), and it turns out a lot of Ukrainian troops are well trained (by the British army) in their use.
 
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I for one hope the Russian army gets destroyed.
 
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View: https://twitter.com/NickKnudsenUS/status/1501083147013791748
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Colour photo taken with a drone that he'd greyed to make it look old?

It's what emergency evacuation looks like (or a train station in india every day). I'm really not liking that news by twitter seems to be de rigeur at the moment. The very thing we've been railing against during the Trump years is now a primary source for us and we take everything uncritically.

Post pic. Say it's in Ukraine. Say some horrible shit. Believe.


Don't get me wrong. It's still fucking shit that people have to flee and are trying to crowd onto trains. But we all already know that. This is just disaster porn for me.
 
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Colour photo taken with a drone that he'd greyed to make it look old?

It's what emergency evacuation looks like (or a train station in india every day). I'm really not liking that news by twitter seems to be de rigeur at the moment. The very thing we've been railing against during the Trump years is now a primary source for us and we take everything uncritically.

Post pic. Say it's in Ukraine. Say some horrible shit. Believe.


Don't get me wrong. It's still fucking shit that people have to flee and are trying to crowd onto trains. But we all already know that. This is just disaster porn for me.
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The colour has been removed to make it the same colour as photos from WW2 as they were grey.

You don't have to comment in this thread as you have made it clear on several occassions that we as a species suck. We get that.
 
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Scouse said:
Colour photo taken with a drone that he'd greyed to make it look old?

It's what emergency evacuation looks like (or a train station in india every day). I'm really not liking that news by twitter seems to be de rigeur at the moment. The very thing we've been railing against during the Trump years is now a primary source for us and we take everything uncritically.

Post pic. Say it's in Ukraine. Say some horrible shit. Believe.


Don't get me wrong. It's still fucking shit that people have to flee and are trying to crowd onto trains. But we all already know that. This is just disaster porn for me.
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Information war, this is how you win a war in the 21st century...
 
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So is the evening news on a regular non-war non-pandemic week
 
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So is the evening news on a regular non-war non-pandemic week
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Totally agree. The regular news is generally filled with speculation and not facts. It's not really news - it's just another "consumable".

We're poorly served intellectually by all our "news" channels IMO. Said that for years.

Funnily enough - at the dawn of television there was an argument against televised news because the people at the time thought it would infantilise and emotionalise news reporting. I'd argue that 70 years later they've been proven right.
 
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I don't think people wanting to transfer their savings to something with greater long-term reliability (which is amazing considering the volatility of cryptocurrencies) has much to do with the ruble's plummeting value.
 
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