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Reckon Aeroflot will be fucked by 15th March.
 
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caLLous said:
What a shot, in all senses...

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Whilst I totally agree, great shot, downed enemy, right thing to do etc. I can't feel good about it. There's real people with families in that heli :(
 
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Scouse said:
Whilst I totally agree, great shot, downed enemy, right thing to do etc. I can't feel good about it. There's real people with families in that heli :(
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They're not conscripts so fuck em frankly.
 
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DaGaffer said:
They're not conscripts so fuck em frankly.
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They're still someone's kids. Whilst I don't have much respect for anyone who signs up to the armed forces - "yeah, I'll kill whoever you tell me to" - I still don't like it.
 
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Scouse said:
Whilst I totally agree, great shot, downed enemy, right thing to do etc. I can't feel good about it. There's real people with families in that heli :(
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Who are making real choices with real consequences
 
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Scouse said:
In that case, fuck all our boys who went to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Fuck 'em.
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Yeah. Much as it pains me, yes. I actually looked it up a while ago, and the number of British personnel who did object to Iraq was depressingly small, but some did.
 
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DaGaffer said:
Yeah. Much as it pains me, yes. I actually looked it up a while ago, and the number of British personnel who did object to Iraq was depressingly small, but some did.
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Thing is, they just deluded. I can't bring myself to really condemn people for idiocy (as much as they deserve it). We're all idiots of one kind or another. Which is why I'd dearly love to see some systemic change that obsoletes war. We have to get there sooner or later :(
 
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It's still not quite the same even though the Iraq war was a bad idea in retrospect and based on dodgy data. Saddam Hussein was a very different kettle of fish to Zelensky. He was a brutal tyrant who terrorised his own people and a large part of the Iraqi population wanted him to be gone by any means. Plus whatever war crimes were committed by western forces were few and far between and not the official policy of the governments, unlike the Russians now, deny it though they inevitably will. It was different. Maybe a large degree of difference if not of kind but a large degree nonetheless.
 
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Wij said:
It's still not quite the same even though the Iraq war was a bad idea in retrospect and based on dodgy data. Saddam Hussein was a very different kettle of fish to Zelensky. He was a brutal tyrant who terrorised his own people and a large part of the Iraqi population wanted him to be gone by any means. Plus whatever war crimes were committed by western forces were few and far between and not the official policy of the governments, unlike the Russians now, deny it though they inevitably will. It was different. Maybe a large degree of difference if not of kind but a large degree nonetheless.
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Then we destabilised the area which allowed ISIS to fill the void, then we sent the people who we went to save from Saddam to fight them, just to be mute whilst Turkey stabbed them in the back.

Obviously we had much better justification to get involved in Iraq than Russia does with Ukraine, but I don't think it's a bad thing to acknowledge our fuck ups.

As I said that before, we need to stop helping Putin by pretending that we're infallible.

I'm not talking about people on this forum, I want Biden or someone to step up and acknowledge what we did to the Kurds/Iraqis/Afghans was fucked up.
 
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Then we destabilised the area which allowed ISIS to fill the void, then we sent the people who we went to save from Saddam to fight them, just to be mute whilst Turkey stabbed them in the back.

Obviously we had much better justification to get involved in Iraq than Russia does with Ukraine, but I don't think it's a bad thing to acknowledge our fuck ups.

As I said that before, we need to stop helping Putin by pretending that we're infallible.

I'm not talking about people on this forum, I want Biden or someone to step up and acknowledge what we did to the Kurds/Iraqis/Afghans was fucked up.
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ISIS is a whole different ball game. The causes of ISIS are only in small part due to the west and in much larger part due to cunts in the Middle East such as Assad. Nevertheless I accept that the Iraq War was overall a bad idea and most people do accept that now. It doesn't justify any other bad, or worse, behaviour.
 
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He has made sure that only those that remain in his ever dwindling circle of advisers yes men all play from the same song book.
 
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The future of ground warfare, Russian style.

Such advance! So future!

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I really don't like parading soldiers of war on TV.
 
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Raven said:
I really don't like parading soldiers of war on TV.
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I've been talking to a guy that works in gathering intelligence on conflicts and assessing their impacts on social media for a 'big tech firm' and he was saying that Ukraine are winning the information war, which is just as important as the actual war on the ground, this is an essential part of it...

Apparently the Russians have just repurposed their covid misinformation bots to now dealing with the information war in Ukraine...
 
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