UKIP

[Job]

Question..which is grimmer
Eastenders square or Coronation street

 

[Raven]

The northern one

 

[Bodhi]

Stafford, Stoke. They are all the same grim northern towns

You'll get no argument from me on this. Oh other than being a Scot, they are both Southern. Just the grim bit of the "South"

 

[Job]

So the EU elections are going to be a 'joke' simply because he doesn't like the outcome..how democratic.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...n-elections-across-the-continent-warns-expert

 

[Moriath]

Question..which is grimmer
Eastenders square or Coronation street

Both are equally shit tbh.

 

[Scouse]

Stafford, Stoke. They are all the same grim northern towns

Close enough to Stoke to make no difference tbh

 

[Scouse]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...n-elections-across-the-continent-warns-expert

If the traditional parties hadn't failed so spectacularly to represent the will of the majority for the past fifty plus years then the jaded european electorate wouldn't be gambling on fringe parties.

The clear hunger across europe is for massive economic reform so the majority don't feel shat on by an uncaring undemocratic elite who've clearly done fuck all in politics apart from serve their own and their mates interests.

 

[Bodhi]

If the traditional parties hadn't failed so spectacularly to represent the will of the majority for the past fifty plus years then the jaded european electorate wouldn't be gambling on fringe parties.

The clear hunger across europe is for massive economic reform so the majority don't feel shat on by an uncaring undemocratic elite who've clearly done fuck all in politics apart from serve their own and their mates interests.

Or it could be the fact that people are getting piss fed up of a massive unelected body (the EUSSR) interfering with their daily lives?

 

[Scouse]

Or it could be the fact that people are getting piss fed up of a massive unelected body (the EUSSR) interfering with their daily lives?

Only if they're dumb enough to believe the media narrative, which is a possibility in britain because of our woeful education system.

However, I think other Europeans are much better educated than we are and wouldn't fall for that Daily Mail/Sun/Star-led bullshit...

 

[Raven]

Except they aren't.

 

[Job]

Not fall for simplistic right wing xenophobia..well maybe..except maybe a bit before the 2nd world war

 

[Bodhi]

Precisely, opposition to the EUSSR is growing everywhere, not just in the UK, or the countries affected by the bailouts, but in places like France and the Netherlands. I mean you talk about self-serving politicians, these are nowhere more evident than Brussels.

Scouse, I'm not entirely sure what reality you inhabit, but in the one I inhabit, the EU ain't exactly popular (my team at work is made up of Consultants from all across Europe, and the Brits certainly aren't the only ones to feel this way), and it's popularity isn't increasing.

The latest EU mandate to boil my piss is this new directive that within 10 years all new cars will be fitted with black boxes, tracking how we drive and every movement in ridiculous levels of detail. I'm sorry, but they can fuck right off with that shit, or road pricing by the back door as its otherwise known as.

 

[Moriath]

Big brother comin to get ya

 

[Job]

Of course the SAY it's just for safety, but the tech is instantaneously upgraded to permanent tracking at the flick of a remote switch, which you have no control over, the insurance companies have jumped onto it straight away and the police of course..and don't tell me for one second they haven't thought of remote immobilsation of vehicles and we can take it as read that that's part of the kit, next will be if any of your tax or insurance runs out, it'l send amessage saying you have 24hrs to renew or the car will be immobilised.
In reality it all seems quite helpful, stopping stolen cars (they'll just use a local jammer) and tracking suspects (again a jammer) which leads straight onto the next logical step..we can't track you..what are you doing?
It just makes me sad for our grandchildren, they'll never know privacy and maybe they won't miss it, we are simply slipping into some hellish sci-fi scenario where you're not a citizen if you don't constantly beep back your position and intention, just like the SORN debacle, now you are breaking the law if you don't tell them you aren't breaking the law.

 

[Scouse]

Except they aren't.

My vast experience of a shitload of european travel, and a shitload of european friends, is that they most definitely are.

 

[Scouse]

The latest EU mandate to boil my piss is this new directive that within 10 years all new cars will be fitted with black boxes, tracking how we drive and every movement in ridiculous levels of detail. I'm sorry, but they can fuck right off with that shit, or road pricing by the back door as its otherwise known as.

Lets see. Which country would benefit most from this? Oh, the UK.

Out of Europe means we'll get this with lax privacy laws. In Europe we get it, with maybe some oversight.

 

[Job]

It's not ten years by the way, it starts next year..every new car has to have an EU approved tracker.

 

[Raven]

My vast experience of a shitload of european travel, and a shitload of european friends, is that they most definitely are.

Except they aren't

This is just maths but there are various other league tables, pretty much equal with Germany and France but ahead of the rest, some by a long way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-25187997

 

[Scouse]

Except they aren't
<PISA tables>

Right then, "someone" said:

Schools are shit because everyone is educated towards passing an exam, rather than being educated. Thick kids trained to choose the correct answer on a multiple choice test.

And you were right, Raven. I agree. What you said above is true.

For example, in maths, even in the shitty PISA-rankings-style "pass a test" education, the UK lags behind France and Germany, oh and the Netherlands, Swizerland, Estonia, Finland, Belgium, Austria, Ireland, Slovenia, Denmark, Czech Republic and fucking Lichtenstein.

But that's not the half of it. The populace in european countries are politically engaged, non-isolationist (by virtue of sharing borders) and more intellectually nuanced. For example, for the French philosophy is mandatory for their kids. Why? Because it helps them to think in a more nuanced, balanced and over-arching strategic manner.

The Brits? Thick as fuck, one-dimensional, no nuance, chav-style education. And it shows in how we act. We're more like yanks than Europeans and much the poorer intellectually, socially and culturally for it.

 

[Job]

Education has had its day..the present format is utterly unsuitable for the modern world...colleges..universities..high schools...all gone in 25 years...the change is unstoppable...there will be hardly any jobs left that AI cant do...and I mean everything...even me fixing boilers...the new ones phone home to say whats wrong with them.

 

[Moriath]

Education has had its day..the present format is utterly unsuitable for the modern world...colleges..universities..high schools...all gone in 25 years...the change is unstoppable...there will be hardly any jobs left that AI cant do...and I mean everything...even me fixing boilers...the new ones phone home to say whats wrong with them.

But you have to have people who can program them and make them call back so education must go on. If not in 100 years all this shit breaks down and no one knows how to fix it

 

[Job]

You dont need people to program them and when they break they just tell some minimum wage person how to swap the part which has been made by a 3d printer

 

[Tom]

next will be if any of your tax or insurance runs out, it'l send amessage saying you have 24hrs to renew or the car will be immobilised.

Erm, good? Fuck anyone who drives around with no insurance.

It just makes me sad for our grandchildren, they'll never know privacy and maybe they won't miss it, we are simply slipping into some hellish sci-fi scenario where you're not a citizen if you don't constantly beep back your position and intention, just like the SORN debacle, now you are breaking the law if you don't tell them you aren't breaking the law.

You do understand, do you not, that there are other ways of moving around, ways that don't involve cars?

 

[Scouse]

Erm, good? Fuck anyone who drives around with no insurance.

Agree with this.

You do understand, do you not, that there are other ways of moving around, ways that don't involve cars?

Not with this. Not when the majority of your journeys aren't cycleable...

 

[soze]

Public Transport?

 

[Scouse]

Public Transport?

You knew when you posted that you were talking shit.

Public transport is suitable in a tiny percentage of journeys. Our society is based around the car and it is utterly necessary for the vast majority of people.

 

[Tom]

Looking at the mayhem caused by parents in cars at school chucking in/out times, I disagree. Most of them are just plain lazy. I say this because a good proportion of them are parked up well in advance of the actual throwing out time.

There's a railway car park near my house. It's massive. But there are always plenty of empty spaces at the back, because people would rather park inconsiderately, in spaces that don't exist, at the front of the car park. Because they're just too lazy to walk 200 yards more.

 

[Scouse]

Looking at the mayhem caused by parents in cars at school chucking in/out times, I disagree. Most of them are just plain lazy. I say this because a good proportion of them are parked up well in advance of the actual throwing out time.

Come on Tom. School run ain't that bad. It's hardly "mayhem" and also - it's only a small amount of car journeys.

I start a contract near Barnsley in a week and a half. It's going to be a 55 minute drive up the motorway. Not cycleable obviously. Public transport? Well, a walk to the bus stop, bus into town, walk across town to train, train to sheffield, walk to bus stop in sheffield, bus to somewhere near work, walk to work, 3+ hours. Each way.

That's the reality for a lot of people. And you know what? CCTV will hit my face about 50 times during that journey, yet will not protect me from getting mugged on the journey even a tiny bit.

 

[Raven]

We get people who drive from one end of the village to the other to drop their kids off...I don't get it. The village is no more than half a mile across the middle. Its a 2 minute walk ffs.

Its all small streets that were there long before the invention of cars yet lazy middle class fuckwits insist on blocking the street up with cars they can't drive properly.

 

[Gwadien]

We get people who drive from one end of the village to the other to drop their kids off...I don't get it. The village is no more than half a mile across the middle. Its a 2 minute walk ffs.

Its all small streets that were there long before the invention of cars yet lazy middle class fuckwits insist on blocking the street up with cars they can't drive properly.

Maybe they should get black boxes.