Werewolf Twisted Metalwolf Game Thread.

[ECA]

Ok let's do some deconstruction.

Aph3x claims ch3tan is correct and I'm the head vampire: Why is he voting for the leader of his own faction to get lynched?

Aph3x is a confirmed vampire yet somehow he is following ch3tans version that I'm the head vampire? ( he might say he isnt following ch3tans version BUT in his vote post for me he quotes ch3tans mass quotage.... so he really is ).

Aph3x only informed us he roleblocked ch3tan after ch3tan asked him who he roleblocked on night 1.

Yet Ch3tan hasn't pointed out how terrible this logic is - which is damn obvious and too obvious for ch3t to not see.


In addition - As stated several times - if there are three vampires and 5 non-vampires the only way we can win is if we lynch a vampire tonight
- would Aph3x really vote for another vampire, when he knows he is likely to die overnight ( if Fl3a wants the village to win rather than the vampires , or we have a vigilante ).

If the vampires can sucker people into following bad logic and you lynch me today then the village loses.

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Now lets say ch3tan claims I could be a wolf.
Well the result is the same as lynching fl3a.
The vampires get another convert tonight and have 4 vampires in a village of 7.

Even if fl3a kills a vampire, and the vampires kill flea they would then have 2 vampires in a village of 5, needing only one misvote by a villager to win them the game.

Simply put - if ch3tan were a villager he would be advocating lynching Aph3x as it's a positive result for the village and increases our chances compared to

A: Voting fl3a and causing a vampire win if successful.

B: Claim I am a wolf and thus cause the village to lose if they lynched me and giving the vampires a win.

C: Falsely lynching a villager trying to help the village and killing me which lets the vampires get a majority thus winning the game.



Ch3t isnt going with any of the logical options if he were a villager, and hasnt challenged Aph3xs logic - and it is too late to try and clear his name by doing it now.


The only exception to this would be if ch3tan were a wolf, but then if that were the case fl3a wouldn't have taken a counterstance he could have just added on me and it would be 4 votes on me just needing one more to carry the day and give the wolves some shot of success with ch3tan as the lonewolf.


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Anyway long multiquotes and stuff like this is only going to confuse those with less time and make them more prone to making a bad decision.

I've said everything that can be said and explained why with imo good logic.

I will make any future posts to this as short as possible to prevent the thread becoming unreadable and obfuscated.


My only question now is Thadius... is he a vampire, or an idiot? If the vamps have three, he's probably a vampire, which means Olgaline, Vasc and Uara are innocent ( or have a wolf among them ), If there are only two vampires then he could just be an idiot.

 

[Thadius]

I resent you calling me an idiot...

 

[Vasconcelos]

Ive been reading throu all the posts since last nite, and there is one thing I dont understand:

Why it has to be 3 vampires?

 

[Ch3tan]

A head vampire had to have been present since day one. Unless tris- helped the head vamps target on night one then that would make 2. Aph3x makes 3.

Although there are big flaws in ECA's "logic" and this is why I am not the one misleading or lying here. According to ECA aph3x is not a alien or lawman - he cannot roleblock. If I am the head vamp as ECA says, and I was locked up on night one by aph3x, then there can only be two vampires.

ECA makes a big assumption that the head vamp and other vamps communicate, this goes against the history books. ECA knows this, he chooses to ignore it.

Taking of ignore, ECA also ignored the fact he voted no lynch on day one and two, and still maintains he did not. He also still maintains I am a liar for saying he did.

I am being supported by a confirmed vamp, and apparently this makes me evil. ECA is being supported by a confirmed wolf, what does this make him?

ECA has not mentioned in his arguments that he could be the confirmed vamp, he focuses on saying I think he is the last wolf. Now, I said I think it is more liklely he is the head vamp, but could also be a wolf. He ignores that. By putting the thought that he could only be a wolf in your heads he creates doubt, especially along with the numbers about a vampire victory. You can see from the lies about his no votes that he has something to hide, he is trying to convince you that what he is trying to hide is only wolfish, not vampish.

 

[Ch3tan]

1)Yet Ch3tan hasn't pointed out how terrible this logic is - which is damn obvious and too obvious for ch3t to not see.



2)If the vampires can sucker people into following bad logic and you lynch me today then the village loses.



3)Simply put - if ch3tan were a villager he would be advocating lynching Aph3x as it's a positive result for the village and increases our chances compared to



4)Ch3t isnt going with any of the logical options if he were a villager, and hasnt challenged Aph3xs logic - and it is too late to try and clear his name by doing it now.

1) I have not yet responded to aph3x's points; but it is not bad logic because I am working on the assumption that aph3x has not yet told a lie. He says he does not know who converted him and that fits my research of the history books and memoirs.


2) LOL, the irony.


3) NO NO NO, Aph3x is a proven conversion vamp, not a head vamp. We know this because Uara scyred him on night two and saw him change from alien to vamp. Killing Aph3x does not give us any chance of hitting the head vamp, not 50% as you claimed. The only chance we have is of killing the head vamp today.


4) Right so, if people follow your thinking, I am not allowed to answer any of your points? LOL. I also love the bit at the end of your post about multi-quotes being confusing, nice try at an attack. The reason you do not quote directly is because you do not want us to know the truth as it was written.

 

[Ch3tan]

Erm, I was the one who pointed out that Thorwyn was a werewolf...

Yeah Thad, and can you explain how it was you knew that??

 

[Ch3tan]

I'd also like to know the following, why if I was the head vamp would I:

Reveal the role of the head vamp in the first place? Reveal the role of the head vamp and call for his head AFTER Uara had confirmed there were vamps? The easiest play to victory for me if I was a head vamp would have been to sit back and be quiet, if Uara had come out with any suspicions, I could easily have voted Aph3x going with your own logic, ECA, that he gives us a 50% chance of being the head vamp. INSTEAD, I proved with facts and questions to Uara that Aph3x was not the head vamp by proving Uara saw him converted.

Why infact would I ask the special roles to reveal themselves at all? Your own odds show the head vamp is close to victory, naming the specials gains him nothing. Infact if I was the head vamp, I could not have known who Uara scryed each night, by asking him to come forward he could have named me as head vamp - Why would I take that risk?

Please explain with more of your "cold hard logic"

 

[fl3a]

awesome, you just made 4 posts in a row with a total length of twice what some people have said during the whole game

 

[Ch3tan]

Anyway long multiquotes and stuff like this is only going to confuse those with less time and make them more prone to making a bad decision.
I've said everything that can be said and explained why with imo good logic.
I will make any future posts to this as short as possible to prevent the thread becoming unreadable and obfuscated.

awesome, you just made 4 posts in a row with a total length of twice what some people have said during the whole game

Obvious back up is obvious.

I've also spoken out more the double the time of the next town member, does that make me bad?

I've made posts to answer the points raised, as a wolf I understand that goes against your logic, but everyone else needs to read points raised and answered to make their own minds up.

But that is fine, you and ECA continue with the cheap shots about quoting and post length. Cause saying post is not meta-gaming at all is it?

 

[fl3a]

oh dont think me and ECA are the only ones to notice it. since this meeting is taking place in written form, your preferred form of communication (strength by number of speeches) is almost equal to a spoken discussion in which on person is constantly yelling.

 

[fl3a]

if only you had the chance to somehow look at it from another point of view and realise how obnoxious you sound while forming your theories and arguments i think you would be ashamed of yourself

 

[fl3a]

I've also spoken out more the double the time of the next town member, does that make me bad?

oh, yes it does, since i am also one of those that has spoken a lot, and yes im bad to the bone, baby!

 

[fl3a]

but now time for some serious talk also.

there is one thing that the good people of this village should realise. aph3x is a vampire. he wants to win. the village also wants to win, and the only chance is to lynch the head vampire tonight. aph3x votes against ECA. even if he doesnt know who is his head vampire, there is no chance in hell he would be voting against someone with a good chance to actually be it.

 

[Vasconcelos]

but now time for some serious talk also.

there is one thing that the good people of this village should realise. aph3x is a vampire. he wants to win. the village also wants to win, and the only chance is to lynch the head vampire tonight. aph3x votes against ECA. even if he doesnt know who is his head vampire, there is no chance in hell he would be voting against someone with a good chance to actually be it.

Are you sure aph3x wins if vampires win? I dont have much experience in this but think I read in this game that if we kill the vampire master Van Helsing style we turn aph3x back into human.


I now read through all the stuff and campe up with this theory regarding thee 2 vampire scenario. It requires of the folowing to be the correct one:
- the vampire master wasted 1 nite w/o turning ppl - > so irrational behaviour I think we can discard it
- I am the vampire master and couldnt turn a 3rd person becasue aph3x blocked me tonite before being turned -> that would be weird because aph3x ended up being turned by the very onw person he was roleblocking
- ch3tan is the vampire master and could only turn 2 ppl as for now because aph3x roleblocked him 1 nite

Just my 2 cents

 

[Thadius]

Yeah Thad, and can you explain how it was you knew that??

I had a gut feeling...

 

[Ch3tan]

1)the vampire master wasted 1 nite w/o turning ppl - > so irrational behaviour I think we can discard it
2)I am the vampire master and couldnt turn a 3rd person becasue aph3x blocked me tonite before being turned -> that would be weird because aph3x ended up being turned by the very onw person he was roleblocking
3)ch3tan is the vampire master and could only turn 2 ppl as for now because aph3x roleblocked him 1 nite

1) Would make no sense. What would make sense is what I have said a couple of times now - the doctor (tris) healed the vamps first victim on night one, this would leave us with only 2 vamps - the head vamp and aph3x.

2) Your days and nights are wrong Vasc. WE HAVE ONLY HAD 2 NIGHT PHASES SO FAR. This means there could be a maximum of 2 people turned, not three. You cannot be the master vamp because aph3x blocked you on night 2. A blocked person cannot act or be acted upon.

3) Why must I be the vampire master? Also you are wrong again with only turn 2 people, if aph3x blocked me night one and I was the head vamp, I could only have turned someone on night 2 (aph3x). You do realise that by your theory, ECA, Olga and Thad are just as likely to be the vamp master? And of those ECA is the only one who has lied openly so far.

I think you need to go back and re-read what has been said this day, your theories so far are based on a false assumption that there has been 3 night phases.

 

[old.Tohtori]

((Right, few things clear;

- I read every post on this thread, i don't just count the votes. If i see actions that i find bad, i prod the appropriate people.
- Using past games (when RP is not enforced) is ok and multiple posts are a given when the no edit rule is in play. There's no foul play in this thread, unless we count both "sides"(you know who you are) into it and both sides are equal in the "wrong".
-If you get annoyed with someone, deal with it IN-GAME. That's part of the game.

What happens in WW, stayes in WW.

In short, cool down for petes sake, it's a game ))

 

[Ch3tan]

ooc: yeah yeah, my bad, not enough sleep last night. Sorry flea.

 

[Vasconcelos]

I think you need to go back and re-read what has been said this day, your theories so far are based on a false assumption that there has been 3 night phases.

I stand corrected here, theres been 3 days n 2 nites indeed.

But then, I think that my theory might also be a posible scenario if we correct the 3 nites part:

- the vampire master wasted 1st night w/o turning ppl - > stupid so we can discard it
- I am the vampire master and couldnt turn a 2nd person because aph3x blocked me last night before being turned -> that would be weird because aph3x ended up being turned by the very own person he was roleblocking
- ch3tan is the vampire master and could only turn 1 person as for now because aph3x roleblocked him on the 1st night.

Regarding me:
1. If we assume fl3a is being honest, I cant be a werewolf since he stated he tried to kill me last night.
Then:
2. If we assume aph3x is being honest, I cant be the master vampire (cant be roleblocked and turning ppl in the same night).
3. I could be a vampire minion turned on the 1st night.

Tho I have the feeling im missing soemthing

 

[Ch3tan]

Firstly, I answered your points, they are wrong for more than just the 2/3 night assumption. Please re-read my last post.

You are not a wolf because: Uara named flea as a wolf and aph3x as a vamp. At this point it was possible fl3a naming you as his target was a lie to protect you.

When flea made this claim he was not privy to the fact you had been roleblocked, aph3x had not said this yet. If you were both wolves, one of you being role blocked would make not difference, the other would carry out the kill. So this means fl3a is being honest here; you were his target. He said he could not find you that night.

Aph3x confirms you were locked up, a lawman role means that the person locked up is blocked from acting or being acted upon. Hence you could not have been killed by the wolves, nor could you have turned aph3x while he had you locked up. This rules you out of being the head vamp.

Now as to your point number 3 in your post above. I would love it if you were a vamp turned on night 1. You would know this. Why would I love it? Because it blows ECA's theory out the window. I was locked up on night one, if you were converted on night one, it could not have been by me.

 

[ECA]

Aph3x, a vampire, claims you were locked up, only after you asked him who was.... and then he follows your voting lead... for someone you claim is on the same team as him.

Stop me if I went wrong somewhere.

 

[Ch3tan]

Aph3x, a vampire, claims you were locked up, only after you asked him who was.... and then he follows your voting lead... for someone you claim is on the same team as him.

Stop me if I went wrong somewhere.

fl3a, a werewolf, claims you aren't a wolf or a head vampire, and then follows your voting lead.

Also will you please acknowledge you lied about your voting on days one and two?

 

[fl3a]

fl3a, a werewolf, claims you aren't a wolf or a head vampire, and then follows your voting lead.

except i was the first one to make a case against you, only i didnt cast the vote in my first post.
i held off my vote on cornokz until i had to do it, i voted for thad because i really did want to get him lynched and after which i voted for thorwyn because, sadly, my hairy buddy had got into a situation he couldnt get out of.

i am not that quick with casting the votes (you have cast and changed votes more often than me i believe) but when i do i tend to do it with some certainty.

you cant deny that i was the first one to come out swinging at you, and if anything, ECA is the one jumping on my bandwagon of accusing ch3tan.

also, i think that everyone would be best served with slowing the conversation down just a little bit, because uara and olgaline havent been around - and as productive members of the society i certainly wouldnt want to put them at a disadvantage of having to read massive amounts of notes that they couldnt comment on live. there has been enough discussion to hear from them, before proceeding.

ooc: also, i would apologize for getting tilted and bringing up post editing and the like. it is easy to forget that rule, since most forum goers instinctively edit their posts if they leave something out, instead of making another one to follow it. it was a cheap shot by me.

 

[Olgaline]

So,

If I'm reading all of this correctly it means,
what we'r dealing with then is, from what we "know" providing we can trust the sorces.

If Ch3tan is the head Vampire, we'r dealing with 2 vampires, due to being blocked on night 1
If Eca is the head Vampire we'r dealing with 3 vampires. as he hasnt been blocked.

and as I understand it "inspite of what fl3a says" we cannot rule out the risk of a 3 werewolf senario ?

Thadius still has me on edge...and I'm for one not willing to rule him out, especially since if
he indeed is the head vamp, it's likely we have 3.

for now I'm inclined to go with EcA simply due to the following reasons,
he is a likely Vampire, if theres a third wolf he'd be a good candidate, and he offers the highest vampire numbers threat compeared to ch3tan. and although he shares equal threat level on a vampires perspective with thad, I cannot see thad being a wolf, why sacrifice one to save one, unless the object was to makes us blevie he was a seer, in wich case the 50/50 pick seemed an odd one.


so with that in mind, and fingers crossed, and before someone twists and spins my mind!

Vote: ECA

 

[fl3a]

If Ch3tan is the head Vampire, we'r dealing with 2 vampires, due to being blocked on night 1
If Eca is the head Vampire we'r dealing with 3 vampires. as he hasnt been blocked.

ch3tan being blocked is not a fact. if aph3x is a vampire and is trying to cover for ch3tan then he has not necessarily been blocked. aph3x could have easily blocked someone else, of no consequence

neither is it certain that if ECA is a vampire there are 3 total - as has been said, tris- could have saved one target, before being munched on by the wolves.

and who was it that kept bringing up the fact that tris hinted he was a doctor? why, ch3tan of course. almost as if sayin 'look wolves theres a doctor, kill him!'

 

[Ch3tan]

and who was it that kept bringing up the fact that tris hinted he was a doctor? why, ch3tan of course. almost as if sayin 'look wolves theres a doctor, kill him!'

Yes I questioned him saying it, on day one if you are really a special you keep your head down. Only a bad guy or an idiot would try that move, it turned out tris- was simply brainless.

Now, if I were the head vamp, what good what it do me to have him killed? I could simply have converted him? The vamps win by converting the villagers, it is in the vamps interest to kill off the wolves, not villagers. Your logic would work if there was not so much fur blocking your brain waves.

 

[fl3a]

Now, if I were the head vamp, what good what it do me to have him killed? I could simply have converted him? The vamps win by converting the villagers, it is in the vamps interest to kill off the wolves, not villagers. Your logic would work if there was not so much fur blocking your brain waves.

damn, you are really looking to get me ticked off, arent you.

why you would want to get him killed and not turn him? easy. the wolves probably noticed he roleclaimed. the wolves are probably going to kill him. are you going to risk turning the doctor at that point? no. easier to make sure that the wolves notice him, and then go turn someone else instead.

bringing it up is just a way to add that extra bit of certainty to him dying.

 

[fl3a]

oh, i forgot to add, ECA is a werewolf so i think you shouldnt lynch him tonight

 

[Ch3tan]

damn, you are really looking to get me ticked off, arent you.

why you would want to get him killed and not turn him? easy. the wolves probably noticed he roleclaimed. the wolves are probably going to kill him. are you going to risk turning the doctor at that point? no. easier to make sure that the wolves notice him, and then go turn someone else instead.

bringing it up is just a way to add that extra bit of certainty to him dying.

LOL, now you are reaching. So no one would have noticed his claim had I not challenged it? Only the wolves?

If I wanted tris- dead then I would have stayed quiet. That way I would hope the wolves did what you just said. By bringing attention to it, the other village roleblockers had a chance to save tris, they did not take it.

 

[Ch3tan]

oh, i forgot to add, ECA is a werewolf so i think you shouldnt lynch him tonight

Well that explains all the lies he has told; but how do we know you are telling the truth now. Also how do you know in this twisted village that he isn't a hybrid?