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[ECA]

So the bit where he has 4 hostages and phones the police and tells them he's doing it for ISIS doesn't mean anything?

Islam not to blame then? It's a tolerant religion that only promotes peace.
Got it, got it.

And this guy calling for death to the homos at a local mosque 2 months ago... PURE COINCIDENCE.

got it.

 

[Raven]

No. That is not what I said.

He was not a practising Muslim. Get it?

He was not asked to fo it by ISIS.

not every Muslim is after you with their ray guns.

 

[Raven]

In fact, I work with a couple of Muslims, I haven't died once.

 

[Job]

They're just waiting for their chance.

 

[DaGaffer]

And this guy calling for death to the homos at a local mosque 2 months ago... PURE COINCIDENCE.

got it.

This guy may have been at a "local mosque" but it was a Shi'ite one so its pretty unlikely Mateen saw him speak. So yes, pure coincidence.

FWIW it would be just as easy to find a Christian fuckhead with exactly the same homophobic agenda and exactly the same free access to guns, but if the Christian did the shooting they wouldn't be calling it terrorism. ISIS will be more than happy to take credit here, but I'd be fairly certain they had no direct involvement or even communication with this guy.

 

[ECA]

ISIS will be more than happy to take credit here, but I'd be fairly certain they had no direct involvement or even communication with this guy.

Isis calls for 'lone wolf' attacks in US and Europe during Ramadan


Major Muslim Terrorists Makes This Declaration To All Americans: We Are Coming After You, We Will Attack Florida And Slaughter Americans There

 

[ECA]

 

[ECA]

Former FBI agent-turned lawyer Stuart Kaplan says the threat is especially alarming, because the people on this list are civilians who don’t have the security necessary to protect themselves.

“It’s going to create some hysteria,” he said.

Kaplan believes civilians from our community are on the list.

Kaplan is concerned the list will inspire “lone wolf” style attacks.

 

[Job]

This guy may have been at a "local mosque" but it was a Shi'ite one so its pretty unlikely Mateen saw him speak. So yes, pure coincidence.

FWIW it would be just as easy to find a Christian fuckhead with exactly the same homophobic agenda and exactly the same free access to guns, but if the Christian did the shooting they wouldn't be calling it terrorism. ISIS will be more than happy to take credit here, but I'd be fairly certain they had no direct involvement or even communication with this guy.

Lol coincidence..its a core belief of Islam.

 

[ECA]

Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance towards homosexual acts compared to their counterparts in France and Germany, according to a survey published today.

The Gallup poll features the results of telephone and face-to-face interviews with Muslims and non-Muslims in the UK, France and Germany and is designed to measure global attitudes towards people from different faith traditions.

It shows that British Muslims hold more conservative opinions towards homosexual acts, abortion, viewing pornography, suicide and sex outside marriage than European Muslims, polling markedly lower when asked if they believed these things were morally acceptable.

The most dramatic contrast was found in attitudes towards homosexuality. None of the 500 British Muslims interviewed believed that homosexual acts were morally acceptable. 1,001 non-Muslim Britons were interviewed.

From a Guardian article.

 

[DaGaffer]

Lol coincidence..its a core belief of Islam.

Yeah, I don't think you know what the word "coincidence" means.

 

[Gwadien]

@ECA you can't be serious right?

ISIS calls for Lone Wolf attacks, Lone Wolf attacks happen, ISIS claims responsibility, so therefore he must be a die-hard ISIS member; as Raven said, he was mentally disturbed, and didn't practice Islam before - he simply jumped on the bandwagon because he wanted to kill some foo's because of his fucked up brain and he was convinced to do it.

You're next going to tell me that ISIS said that they're sending lots of terrorists over in the form of asylum seekers, and all the asylum seekers are terrorists!

 

[Raven]

HE WAS BROWN THOUGH

Edit...well, off-white at least.

 

[DaGaffer]

From a Guardian article.

Unsurprised. British Muslims are generally from Pakistan & Bangladesh, which are the most conservative Islamic regions outside of Saudi Arabia. German Muslims are mainly Turks, who are historically a bit more liberal. French Muslims are mainly Africans who I'd bet are nearly as bad as the UK group. But then look at what's going on in North Carolina and tell me the red state Christians are much different?

 

[ECA]

Unsurprised. British Muslims are generally from Pakistan & Bangladesh, which are the most conservative Islamic regions outside of Saudi Arabia. German Muslims are mainly Turks, who are historically a bit more liberal. French Muslims are mainly Africans who I'd bet are nearly as bad as the UK group. But then look at what's going on in North Carolina and tell me the red state Christians are much different?

I dunno, to my eye there's a bit of a difference between christians refusing to allow a gay couple at their B&B making national news, or a cake shop not making a cake for a gay wedding, and oh I dunno, shooting 100 people in the face.

 

[DaGaffer]

I dunno, to my eye there's a bit of a difference between christians refusing to allow a gay couple at their B&B making national news, or a cake shop not making a cake for a gay wedding, and oh I dunno, shooting 100 people in the face.

Yes, and if every muslim went out and shot a hundred people in the face you'd have a point, but they don't, so you don't. Your Guardian post was about attitudes, not actions.

 

[ECA]

Where's the christian equivalent of the Bataclan attack, The brussels attack or this weekends attack?

That's kind of the point.
All it takes is a few who truly believe the rhetoric of the hate preachers, and we get this result.

I don't blame Islam itself, I blame Saudi Arabia for funding these Wahabbist nutjobs, and our government for allowing them to fund them here.

 

[old.user4556]

Let's not single out Islam here, both Islam and The Bible take a very barbaric view of gay people, and that's why I have zero tolerance for religion or followers of religion in that their very book is full of disgusting homophobia. All this modern tolerance bullshit is ... bullshit. You either follow your ancient texts, or you admit it's a pile of fucking bullshit and deem yourself non-Muslim / non-Christian. Such a vile hypocrisy.

I'm not sure who the American right wing are going to be most angry at - the Muslims, or the gays (I did see a tweet from a Christian saying that if they weren't gay, then they wouldn't have been killed...).

 

[old.user4556]

Where's the christian equivalent of the Bataclan attack, The brussels attack or this weekends attack?

Omagh, Guildford and Birmingham pub bombings, bloody sunday (off the top of my head).

 

[Raven]

Every Irish Catholic is a supporter of the IRA, didn't you get the memo?

 

[Gwadien]

Raven, you're going to die at some point in the next 70 years.

 

[old.user4556]

Raven, you're going to die at some point in the next 70 years.

SPOILER TAGS FFS.

 

[Scouse]

That's just speculation FFS @Big G - spoiler tags not needed

 

[Scouse]

Islam not to blame then?

I wouldn't directly put this at the foot of islam. I'd put this squarely in the "mad fucker looking for an excuse" category and "islam" being his chosen excuse.

This is a natural sort of consequence for the demonisation of <anything>. Whackjobs love to feel victimised, so if they see a section of society being victimised they start trying to find out about it - because they "identify", and then quickly become the thing that they perceived being victimised.

Islam definitely needs to die - I'm not defending it - but we're going about killing it the wrong way tbh.

 

[TdC]

This migrant crime hysteria is silly, how about posting everyday, 2 million immigrants didn't hurt a fly.

This Islamic Terrorist hysteria is silly, how about posting everyday, just under 1.6 billion Muslims didn't hurt a fly.

 

[old.user4556]

This Islamic Terrorist hysteria is silly, how about posting everyday, just under 1.6 billion Muslims didn't hurt a fly.

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here and say that whilst they didn't hurt a fly, I'd be very interested to know how many of them believe in honour killings, murdering gays, extremism etc. Like my example above about the IRA (as Raven pointed out), not all Catholics are capable of killing loyalists, but by Christ they support it. Having spent two years at a Catholic school, the hatred towards Protestants and support for 'freedom fighting' was strong.

 

[TdC]

not too sure what you're going for mate. imo you can believe in whatever the heck you want as long as you don't hurt anyone and don't break the law.

as for support, that's a bit of a touchy issue. as with your example of Catholic school, it's very tough to be a stand-up guy and not go along with the crowd. if you're Joe Muslim, a regular guy who wouldn't hurt a fly, etc, who happens to live in an ultra-conservative country, can't leave, can't openly change his ways, what are you going to do?

there's a very sad book called The Book Thief, that describes, among other things, the doings of a non-Nazi German family in a village in Germany during the second world war. the situation is very similar and ends equally badly. in fact it ends so badly the book is narrated by Death.

 

[Job]

There is the slight problem of Isis posting 6000 random names and addresses of people in Florida and asking for them to be killed...just imagine being on that list, you would be watching every muslim within 500m, a lot will probably sell up.
You cannot beat an ideology that believes in an absolute entity that is above all law, the only way is total destruction, the west is probably about 3 mins to midnight in doing that.

 

[Job]

Yeah, I don't think you know what the word "coincidence" means.

I lold because coincidence doesnt really work when one side is doing it 24/7

 

[TdC]

There is the slight problem of Isis posting 6000 random names and addresses of people in Florida and asking for them to be killed...just imagine being on that list, you would be watching every muslim within 500m, a lot will probably sell up.
You cannot beat an ideology that believes in an absolute entity that is above all law, the only way is total destruction, the west is probably about 3 mins to midnight in doing that.

you didn't read the media correctly; it's about 8K people, of which a couple hundred in Florida. as for watching every Muslim...frankly my opinion of 'muricans is pretty low. I'd more likely be watching everyone around me without discrimination. Before you know it, some copycat nutter could take it in to their head to blow away middle aged IT boffins with totes legal AR-15 rifles.

you've got to hand it to ISIS, they've played this brilliantly: they've given a shitload of people who already live in a culture of fear and have access to guns even more reason to be extremely distrustful of each other. the ISIS high command don't have to offer up a single fanatic to achieve their goals. they're prolly laughing all the way to the hash pipe.