Trump defeated by wind

[DaGaffer]

Not really. I understood they were unenforceable until the Defamation Act. Why not just leave them as such to get round the need for a referendum?

They were, and the Defamation Act was supposed to have been enacted to shine a light on the problem and force a constitutional change (there's a logic there...somewhere) but you get maybe one go every year or two to force a constitutional amendment referendum, and even though the majority agree it should be gone, it will probably by 2017-18 before there can be another vote.

 

[DaGaffer]

Reading all about the SCOTUS bloke who died the other day he nixed the whole idea of Gun Control by taking an 'Originalist' stance on what the constitution says about arms. Shouldn't that have meant only 18th Century arms then? :/

If by "originalist" you mean agree with one half of a sentence and ignore the condition in the second half, you'd be right.

 

[DaGaffer]

Yes... So he (and his moronic supporters) are completely ignoring it...

Besides which, the first amendment is routinely ignored by law enforcement in the US.

Talk about gun control and all they have to do is shout about the constitution.

Lot more free speech in the US than most countries, that's why every "personality" with an axe to grind sues for libel in the UK. People publicly espouse all kinds of stuff in the US (like those Westboro scum) that would get you locked up for incitement/disturbing the peace in Europe, so I don't really get where you think they ignore the first amendment.

Like I said, Trump can be as Nazi as he likes on the campaign trail, but that has nothing to do with his ability to back up his promises if he was elected.

 

[Scouse]

You just need to listen to half the bollocks Trump comes out with on terrorists and exclusion based on religion.

There's a difference between talking about it and being able to actually put it into action, president or not.

 

[Raven]

Well, it should yes, as demonstrated by a really good anti-gun video (that I will find later) but it doesn't really work like that in reality.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVfnFtcH0

 

[Scouse]

The gun laws are so they can realistically rise up against government.

If the government uses semi automatic weaponry, it doesn't make for a realistic possibility of revolution if you're rising up with a pea-shooter...

 

[Job]

Holy fuck, the Pope has attacked Trump for not being a christian and he's hit back...now its proddies against catholics again, this'll be fun.

 

[Job]

He said he wasn't a Christian for wishing to build a wall on the Mexican border, and that wall builders were'nt christian.
People have joyfully pointed out the huge wall around the Vatican was built a 1000yrs ago to keep muslims out.
You couldn't make it up.

 

[Raven]

Yes you could, would be an awful story but you certainly could "make it up"

Littejohn does it all the time.

 

[DaGaffer]

He said he wasn't a Christian for wishing to build a wall on the Mexican border, and that wall builders were'nt christian.
People have joyfully pointed out the huge wall around the Vatican was built a 1000yrs ago to keep muslims out.
You couldn't make it up.

So muslims having medieval ideas is bad, but if presidential hopefuls do it, that's fine?

 

[Job]

Never said it was, gotta love this Pope though, now contraception isn't bad, before they kick him out, I'm hopeful he'll start saying god is just an idea.

 

[Gwadien]

Justifying the building of a wall by saying yeah but the Vatican has one is hilarious.

The Vatican wall was built as a military defence, not to keep non Caucasian people out.

 

[Wij]

Building a wall on the Mexican border is hilarious. Saying you'll get Mexico to pay for it is just the icing on the cake. The GOP is self-satirising these days.

 

[Job]

It was built to keep out muslims while they paid mercenaries to slaughter them.
Yes, a long time ago,.but when your teams got history like that, I'd be tempted to keep shmuck.

 

[Raven]

They built walls around lots of places to keep undesirables out. Chester for example to keep the scousers out.

It's all bollocks anyway. He won't build a wall, just like he won't ban Muslims. He only says it to buy votes from stupid Americans, and it works a treat.

 

[Scouse]

shmuck.

Schtum.

Shmuck is a whole different thing.

 

[DaGaffer]

It was built to keep out muslims while they paid mercenaries to slaughter them.
Yes, a long time ago,.but when your teams got history like that, I'd be tempted to keep shmuck.

You do know that almost all the walls built around Rome had a. little to do with the Vatican, and b. little to do with Muslims? There was one successful Saracen raid on Rome and one wall built (along the Tiber) specifically in response (although it was more of a general pirate defence rather than muslim-specific; the Saracen raid didn't get into Rome-proper). The main wall around the old Roman city (the Aurelian Wall) predates the Catholic church altogether.

Not that it matters; a more appropriate comparison would be the Great Wall of China, which was also a product of politics and completely useless at keeping foreigners out.

 

[Job]

It's the Vatican wall we're talking about, but also the Vatican has the highest walls of any 'country' , the strictest immigration and took in an entire one Syrian family.
I can appreciate the size of the place, but quite simply, popy and his boys are not interested in inconveniencing themselves with ruffians living in the house to send some kind of message to the world, not even that, business as usual...is the pool warm yet cardinal.
It's a fucking farce, right out in front of us...at least Trump admits he's rich and revelling in it.

 

[DaGaffer]

It's the Vatican wall we're talking about, but also the Vatican has the highest walls of any 'country' , the strictest immigration and took in an entire one Syrian family.
I can appreciate the size of the place, but quite simply, popy and his boys are not interested in inconveniencing themselves with ruffians living in the house to send some kind of message to the world, not even that, business as usual...is the pool warm yet cardinal.
It's a fucking farce, right out in front of us...at least Trump admits he's rich and revelling in it.

FFS, have you actually been there? The "walls" aren't contiguous, anyone can walk in, there's no passport control, nothing. How is that remotely like fencing off Latin America? Its a totally specious argument.

Oh, and since you're so fond of population density comparisons, one Syrian family in the Vatican is the equivalent of 560,000 Syrians in the UK.

I can't believe I'm defending the Catholic church about...anything, but The Donald may actually be worse.

 

[Job]

Obviously the walls aren't complete amymore...would kinda kill the tourist trade, but also a Mexican border wall is hardly all around America is it.
And yes I have been the Vatican and the overall feeling was...giv us yer money and fuk off.

 

[DaGaffer]

Obviously the walls aren't complete amymore...would kinda kill the tourist trade, but also a Mexican border wall is hardly all around America is it.
And yes I have been the Vatican and the overall feeling was...giv us yer money and fuk off.

Trump is proposing a wall from the Gulf to the Pacific, and getting Mexico to pay for it. And the Vatican walls were never "complete". Read up on the history; the bulk of them were built in the 16th and 17th centuries as political statements rather than to actually keep anyone out (cannon had rendered city walls redundant by then); e.g. "we are separate from you", "You" being the various princes fighting for practical control of the Papal States (which were ruled by the Pope in theory, but rarely in practice). There have been a few good articles about it today away from the Murdoch rags and the Daily Mail.

 

[Gwadien]

Trump is proposing a wall from the Gulf to the Pacific, and getting Mexico to pay for it. And the Vatican walls were never "complete". Read up on the history; the bulk of them were built in the 16th and 17th centuries as political statements rather than to actually keep anyone out (cannon had rendered city walls redundant by then); e.g. "we are separate from you", "You" being the various princes fighting for practical control of the Papal States (which were ruled by the Pope in theory, but rarely in practice). There have been a few good articles about it today away from the Murdoch rags and the Daily Mail.

I don't get why you're bothering.

You're arguing with someone that is staunchly against immigration, and clearly thinks building a wall to fix it is a great idea.

 

[Job]

Yes me and most of America and a good part of Europe it would seem.

 

[Scouse]

Just because Polish plumbers get the hob done at half the price and the average punter doesnt give a fuck about quality as long as it works.

Don't blame the immigrants - blame the government for not having higher quality standards...

 

[DaGaffer]

I don't get why you're bothering.

You're arguing with someone that is staunchly against immigration, and clearly thinks building a wall to fix it is a great idea.

Honestly, I have no idea. All around the world IQs are dropping like stones and people are retreating into their insular little cocoons thinking the future will somehow just go away and it just depresses the hell out of me.

 

[Gwadien]

Honestly, I have no idea. All around the world IQs are dropping like stones and people are retreating into their insular little cocoons thinking the future will somehow just go away and it just depresses the hell out of me.

As I said in another thread, it won't be long until we're paying people to come our countries to prop up the white middle classes, and to keep their families at home.

 

[Lakih]

Yes me and most of America and a good part of Europe it would seem.

umm... no.

 

[Job]

Er yes...Trump wants to build a wall...he's the frontrunner for the republican race.
All the facing countries in Europe are building walls and no one's complaining.

 

[Lakih]

Er yes...Trump wants to build a wall...he's the frontrunner for the republican race.
All the facing countries in Europe are building walls and no one's complaining.

So far there have been two presidential primaries, Iowa and, New Hampshire. Cruz won Iowa, Trump won NH. Trump have 17 delegates, Cruz have 11, Rubio have 10. So sure, Trump is the frontrunner... but he is currently 1220 delegate's short of a nomination for the Republican candidate. There are 50! more primaries to be held. Depending on how the votes are cast we can't say anything until most likely April/May. And on top of all that this is just the Republican candidate, it's not a benchmark for how the country as a whole will vote. Remember, Clinton and Sanders are butting heads on the Democratic side... and one of them will win and oppose whomever the Republican candidate might be.

So once again no.

 

[Raven]

Trump is too Republican for many Republicans. He fits well with the frothing loons (but then so does Cruz) so whichever way you look at it, the Republicans look like they might be in trouble.

Either way, it looks like America are in a similar situation that we were in at the last election, picking the least shit option.