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[Urgat]

They're not 'actively tortured' they're stunned before being killed, so they don't feel anything.

Yes. I am very aware of the various methods of slaughter. I have researched it in detail, thank you.

That was not the point of my Reductio-ad-absurdum question directed at Moriath, though.

Had you read and comprehended my post correctly, you would have realised that I found his asertation that (in his words)

"He does not care what happens to his meat before he eats it...

... To be highly troubling and wanted to challenge that viewpoint by providing an absurdum argument to challenge that position and elicit a retraction or defence of his position.

Once again... I should have known that trying to use actual debate technique on this forum would be woefully misinterpreted.

<sigh>

 

[Gwadien]

Yes. I am very aware of the various methods of slaughter. I have researched it in detail, thank you.

That was not the point of my Reductio-ad-absurdum question directed at Moriath, though.

Had you read and comprehended my post correctly, you would have realised that I found his asertation that (in his words)

"He does not care what happens to his meat before he eats it...

... To be highly troubling and wanted to challenge that viewpoint by providing an absurdum argument to challenge that position and elicit a retraction or defence of his position.

Once again... I should have known that trying to use actual debate technique on this forum would be woefully misinterpreted.

<sigh>

Oh!

I have Moriath on ignore, explains alot.

Apologies.

 

[Urgat]

Oh!

I have Moriath on ignore, explains alot.

Apologies.

No worries. Accepted.

 

[Billargh]

Too late to edit the above.

For reference I meant

Reductio ad absurdum...

And Not "ad-hominem"

Sorry for any confusion.

No one knows what any of the above means anyway man.

 

[Ormorof]

I thought ad-hominem was ad-eminems brother

 

[Job]

I was pretty well including Kosher, another Arab backward, semi religious bullshit aren't we special practice.

Halal and Kosher are perfectly fine for killing in small communities, but to suggest it has a part to play in the killing of millions of animals a day in cities is farcical.

 

[caLLous]

 

[caLLous]

 

[Moriath]

Your lack of empathy is astounding. And verging on scary.

Let's get straight to the point and reduce this to an ad-hominin...

Are you saying You wouldn't care one bit, if the delicious beef you eat, came from cows that were actively tortured before they were slaughtered?

"One can tell the heart of a man, by how he treats his animals"

When i am walking around the supermarket im never thinking oh i wonder how that was killed. To me it would be weird to do that.

I have no qualms with the way animals are dispatched if its for food, rather than sport.

Many reality shows do worse to animals, like the one where they were all on a deserted island in groups of men and women. Killing pigs and corcs. I didnt notice anyone complain on here about that.

If something doesnt have to die for humans to eat then i think its bad to hunt it for sport only. But the way stuff is killed doesnt bother me. Its the same result.

 

[Moriath]

Oh!

I have Moriath on ignore, explains alot.

Apologies.

Good to know

 

[Urgat]

When i am walking around the supermarket im never thinking oh i wonder how that was killed. To me it would be weird to do that.

I have no qualms with the way animals are dispatched if its for food, rather than sport.

Many reality shows do worse to animals, like the one where they were all on a deserted island in groups of men and women. Killing pigs and corcs. I didnt notice anyone complain on here about that.

If something doesnt have to die for humans to eat then i think its bad to hunt it for sport only. But the way stuff is killed doesnt bother me. Its the same result.

Avoided answering the question. As I suspected you would.

(In addition to also altering your position subtlety)

As I suspected... Your original post was the usual unconsidered twaddle you usually post.

Thanks for confirming.

 

[sayward]

Ye gods! I'm not even against fox hunting and bull fighting!!

 

[Deebs]

Ye gods! I'm not even against fox hunting and bull fighting!!

Oh fuck, new can of worms just opened up.

 

[Deebs]

My take on slaughtering of animals is this:

As long as it is quick and minimizes their suffering during death I am happy.

Go watch kill it, cook it, eat it. I remember being transfixed by this series, has it put me of meat, fuck no.

Spoiler: Not for the squeamish

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1KqRv4IIkc

 

[Moriath]

Avoided answering the question. As I suspected you would.

(In addition to also altering your position subtlety)

As I suspected... Your original post was the usual unconsidered twaddle you usually post.

Thanks for confirming.

What was the question. No i dont care if it was tortured it makes no difference to me.

 

[Moriath]

My take on slaughtering of animals is this:

As long as it is quick and minimizes their suffering during death I am happy.

Go watch kill it, cook it, eat it. I remember being transfixed by this series, has it put me of meat, fuck no.

Spoiler: Not for the squeamish

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1KqRv4IIkc

Was a good series.

I dont think i would have an issue killing my dinner

 

[Nate]

The knobbery in this thread is astounding

Sheer knobbery.

Adding to that, here. Enjoy spending time with your brothers.

Knobs.

 

[Deebs]

The knobbery in this thread is astounding

Sheer knobbery.

Adding to that, here. Enjoy spending time with your brothers.

Knobs.

Thank you my favourite knob. Appreciate all the knobs but they are no match for your knobness.

 

[Edmond]

I'm partial to a nice knob....

'ere...no...missus!!!

 

[Bodhi]

Yes. I am very aware of the various methods of slaughter. I have researched it in detail, thank you.

That was not the point of my Reductio-ad-absurdum question directed at Moriath, though.

Had you read and comprehended my post correctly, you would have realised that I found his asertation that (in his words)

"He does not care what happens to his meat before he eats it...

... To be highly troubling and wanted to challenge that viewpoint by providing an absurdum argument to challenge that position and elicit a retraction or defence of his position.

Once again... I should have known that trying to use actual debate technique on this forum would be woefully misinterpreted.

<sigh>

I think the main reason your debate technique was woefully misinterpreted is because it was woefully misused in the first place. What you've done there is called an "Appeal to Extremes", and is in the Straw Man spectrum for logical fallacies. So essentially what you are doing is taking Moriath's statement that he isn't too bothered what happens to meat before he eats it, and taking it to the extreme that because of this he wouldn't care if cows were actively tortured before slaughter. This clearly wasn't anywhere close to the point he was making, so your attempts to look clever by using advanced debating techniques (and getting the name right of the one you were using...eventually) have actually just made you look like a bit of a pretentious buffoon.

<sigh>

 

[Job]

The marijuna stormtrooper topless girl interview.
NSFW

http://i.imgur.com/wLxBk2o.jpg

 

[caLLous]

I think the main reason your debate technique was woefully misinterpreted is because it was woefully misused in the first place. What you've done there is called an "Appeal to Extremes", and is in the Straw Man spectrum for logical fallacies. So essentially what you are doing is taking Moriath's statement that he isn't too bothered what happens to meat before he eats it, and taking it to the extreme that because of this he wouldn't care if cows were actively tortured before slaughter. This clearly wasn't anywhere close to the point he was making, so your attempts to look clever by using advanced debating techniques (and getting the name right of the one you were using...eventually) have actually just made you look like a bit of a pretentious buffoon.

<sigh>

Lovely big words and everything but @Moriath then went on to say that he doesn't care if the animal is tortured...

 

[Bodhi]

Lovely big words and everything but @Moriath then went on to say that he doesn't care if the animal is tortured...

I took that as just trying to wind Latin boy up to be honest with you. Would have been my next move anyway

 

[Urgat]

So essentially what you are doing is taking Moriath's statement that he isn't too bothered what happens to meat before he eats it, and taking it to the extreme

Err... Well... Yes...

Given that this is the literal definition of Reductio-ad-absurdum...

That was intentional...

And since he responded by AFIRMING that he would not care if an animal was tortured... He successfully defended his position which is why I conceded the point, and didn't post further on it

<sigh>

 

[Bodhi]

Appeal to Extremes

Notice the "misuse of". Dear oh dear, must try harder.

 

[Billargh]

Evacuate thread guys, let's leave these two to it, it's about to get really dull.

 

[Urgat]

I stand corrected.

Thank you.

Though, worryingly, it does not change the fact that Moriath openly confirmed that he would not care if an animal was tortured to death as long as it tasted good after.

Which was the original purpose of my post... To see if his statement about not caring about how livestock was treated could be taken to the extreme and it would still hold true. Seems he really does have no empathy at all.

That's serial killer territory!

 

[Hawkwind]

That's serial killer territory!

In fairness, only if he was the one torturing it.

 

[Hawkwind]

Um, plenty of people want to ban Kosher as well, in fact Denmark (and I think the Netherlands) have done just that. I'm guessing there's less call for it in the UK, as we don't have an enormous Jewish population living here

More likely, because it is jews that run a lot of the meat markets. Especially in London. My grandfather on my fathers side did exactly that for several boroughs (Finchley & Barnet based) and my fathers brother was head of the Meat Marketing Board for many years.

Birmingham is likely different due to the huge muslim communities there vs the relatively small jewish community (esp. Sollihull). But the jewelry qtr has Kosher places available nearby. It really is not that hard to find.

 

[Moriath]

Lovely big words and everything but @Moriath then went on to say that he doesn't care if the animal is tortured...

Which if you went to the supermarket and all the meat there was from tortured cows you would still eat it. So the death mechanism of the said cow doesnt make any difference to the fact i would eat the meat.