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[Forau]

Originally posted by Tiarta
it wouldnt work Zoyster, would make the enemies stronger too (5 healers in a Mid group or even more savages Oo )

I wouldn't bet on him meaning Hibs and Mids should get 10 slots too

 

[Nazghul-]

Originally posted by ilienwyn
Scout best archer? Since when? With the deficit of shield against dw he has deficit against all stealthers except hunters in defence.

Minstrel is a little too much i agree, but i would prefer them with a healing line or something else instead of stealth.

Friar best 2ndary healer that beats the crap out of people but has crap heals and only can offer base buffs and some resists in groups and without determination meaning no one gets them in groups. Very nice indead...

As for infils, yes they are very good atm, maybe df needs a small nerfing. That way people could play their group friendly classes more than their infils. But how can you blame someone playing an infil instead of group char when savages kick our asses even when assist or targeting is crap cause of plain simple ability to kill anything in a few seconds.


We don't leave in a perfect world, how can a game be perfect. Let's try have fun at least....

Well a scout can stun for 9 secs and block a lot with speccable shield+high dex, apart from that they hit hardest of all classes in the game. Harder than pbaoe sometimes... Best range too.

Anyway glad we agree minstrels and infils need a nerf.

Savages are getting nerfed so you can't really cry anymore over them just wait for the patch.

 

[VodkaFairy]

shammy
4 healers
4 savages
warrior

xD

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Forau
I wouldn't bet on him meaning Hibs and Mids should get 10 slots too

 

[old.Zoyster]

Im not moaning k

Has Anyone seen what a Rune master can do : Aoe, debuff, Nearsight, Speed, Group BT, DD's, bolts, the list goes on and on.

No1. Name me 1 Albion Caster, that can do all this ?

No2. why Do we never see any in emain ?

Answer: Becoz all the other classes are sooo Advantaged, it makes the RM look crap.

Now, all this isn't news......... it makes me wonder if anyone from Mythic have ever actually played.

I'm not bitter, I'm just confused, why is this the case?

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by old.Zoyster
Im not moaning k

Has Anyone seen what a Rune master can do : Aoe, debuff, Nearsight, Speed, Group BT, DD's, bolts, the list goes on and on.

No1. Name me 1 Albion Caster, that can do all this ?

No2. why Do we never see any in emain ?

Answer: Becoz all the other classes are sooo Advantaged, it makes the RM look crap.

Now, all this isn't news, but for 2 years no improvements have been made......... it makes me wonder if anyone from Mythic have ever actually played.

lol, qqing about runemasters


here btw, the spec you talked about:

38dark, 26supp, 27rc

he has! AEO!!!!!! GRUOP FENDARR!!! NERASIAGHTT! DIRACT DMAMAGE!!! BLOTS!!!! DEBAFF CLOD!!!! SPED!!! TEH LSIT GOE ONNE!!!1

 

[old.Outlaw]

Oo what's going on here then ?

I've said it b4 I'll say it again...all repeat with me....

An easy game is a boring game!

I love DAOC the way it is, all realms arn't meant to be the same, it's great the way we all have signature moves.

I just can't wait to get my Master Abilities.

(Although it was heading in the right direction...till let's fix Hamsters but give them Savages in return, lol w0t a joke, even funnier is the let's take a year in fixing it joke ...like it's not obviously a bug. Well, till the bug is fixed you'll find me on Tatooine ...)

PS hmm the wjin is infectious, I nearly forgot about Determination - oh I know lets make a Theurgs/Sorc's main spell totally useless...lose it or like half it's max effect ! (fook making it more expensive)

 

[hijinxx]

imo nerf infiltrators ;X


why don't albs use the infils as primary tanks i rvr groups? they can compete with savages ffs oO

Oh wait.. I'm sitting here givin' you good ideas ;X

 

[old.Zoyster]

Originally posted by Arnor
lol, qqing about runemasters


here btw, the spec you talked about:

38dark, 26supp, 27rc

he has! AEO!!!!!! GRUOP FENDARR!!! NERASIAGHTT! DIRACT DMAMAGE!!! BLOTS!!!! DEBAFF CLOD!!!! SPED!!! TEH LSIT GOE ONNE!!!1

Arnor, imagine a Midd group with a Rune master, 3 spirit- masters, 2 healers, then a shaman and a Savage. This group would be UNREAL.

UNREAL you hear...... we can not do shit like that ! We just can't

but we don't see any such groups in emain. how come ?

 

[old.Zoyster]

Originally posted by Arnor
lol, qqing about runemasters


here btw, the spec you talked about:

38dark, 26supp, 27rc

he has! AEO!!!!!! GRUOP FENDARR!!! NERASIAGHTT! DIRACT DMAMAGE!!! BLOTS!!!! DEBAFF CLOD!!!! SPED!!! TEH LSIT GOE ONNE!!!1

Arnor, imagine a Midd group with a Rune master, 3 spirit- masters, 2 healers, then a shaman and a Savage. This group would be UNREAL.

UNREAL you hear...... we can not do shit like that ! We just can't

but we don't see any such groups in emain. how come ?

Lol there is liek 5 different types of mezzes and AOE stun....AOE stun hahahahahahaha

U know in like patch 1.52b or summat, US wizzies had AOE stun, then they removed it in patch 1.52c. Please tell me why Midds have it ?

 

[old.Zoyster]

DAMAGE (PBAOE) - Target takes damage. Damage done is of the spell's given damage type. Spell affects everyone in the immediate radius of the caster, and does less damage the further away they are from the caster. PBAOE spells often put the caster in direct peril, but are among the most damaging spells in the game.
CAST 2.5s
Spirit

8 Soul Dissipation 59 D 5 PP
14 Soul Dispersal 96 D 9 PP
20 Soul Blast 133 D 12 PP
26 Soul Explosion 176 D 16 PP
34 Soul Banish 228 D 21 PP
41 Soul Destruction 273 D 26 PP
49 Soul Annihilation 331 D 32 PP


That is the strongest PBAOE in the game !

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by old.Zoyster
Arnor, imagine a Midd group with a Rune master, 3 spirit- masters, 2 healers, then a shaman and a Savage. This group would be UNREAL.

UNREAL you hear...... we can not do shit like that ! We just can't

but we don't see any such groups in emain. how come ?

Lol there is liek 5 different types of mezzes and AOE stun....AOE stun hahahahahahaha

U know in like patch 1.52b or summat, US wizzies had AOE stun, then they removed it in patch 1.52c. Please tell me why Midds have it ?

my dear zoyster, you are obviously clueless, sorry.


sm's have the "best" pbaoe? you mean because we get to spend 49 more specpoints and get 2-5 more dmg? (20 if we're debuffed for i think)

let me tell you why they removed aoe-stun from wizzies (and afaik that was in beta, ie before the game was released)
Because aoe-stun+aoe-dmg is too much on one class.

5 different types of mezzes? hell are you on? do you think different mezztype allows for more mezzing on top of immunitytimers?

and wtf would a savage do in that group? wtfomgoneshot everything?
And why have you suddenly gone away from the rm is TEH UBARRR!!!!111111 GAHAAHAGAAGAGAGAGAGAGAG ?

And what do we do after we get mezzed? one dude purge to demezz and get insta-whammied?

 

[old.Zoyster]

When you begin your post, with , Obviously you are clueless. Your intentions are clear.

Spiritmaster is the best PBAOE'er in DAOC. Midds can insta-mezz us, 3 Spiritmasters get in the Fracas. AOE Stun..... 3*PBAOE . BAM Albion dead.

We aint talking about how much research I have done on the game.... we r talking about a gimped realm Vs Uba realms.

 

[VodkaFairy]

ARNOR IMAGIEN A MID GROUP WIT A RUNE MAST3R 3 SPIRIT- MAST3RS 2 H3AELRS THAN A SHMAN AND A SAVAEG!1!! OMG WTF THIS GROUP WUD B UNR3AL

UNR3AL!1!!11! OMG WTF U HEAR...1!!!1!!!!!1!111!!11!!!!!!!!!11!1!!1!!! OMG LOL WE CAN NOT DO SHIT LIEK TAHT 1!!!!! OMG WTF LOL WA JUST CANT

BUT WE DONT SE ANY SUCH GROUPS IN EMANE1!!!1 HOW COME

LOL?!??!!?!! OMG WTF LOL THEIR IS LEIK 5 DIFARANT TYP3S OF M3ZAS AND AEO STUN..AEO!!1!1!111!11!111!!!1!!! OMG WTF LOL STUN HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

U KNOW IN LIEK PATCH 152B!!1!1! OR SUMAT US WIZEIS HAD AEO STUN THEN THEY RAMOV3D IT IN PATCH 152C!11!!!1 OMG WTF PLZ TEL M3 Y MIDS HAEV IT ?!!?? OMG LOL

http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html



Mid caster group is pretty much balanced with other realms caster groups afaik ;p

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by old.Zoyster
When you begin your post, with , Obviously you are clueless. Your intentions are clear.

Spiritmaster is the best PBAOE'er in DAOC. Midds can insta-mezz us, 3 Spiritmasters get in the Fracas. AOE Stun..... 3*PBAOE . BAM Albion dead.

We aint talking about how much research I have done on the game.... we r talking about a gimped realm Vs Uba realms.

but what about the times we get mezzed first?

I agree that sm's are good, but we have fuck all ranged etc.

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by Arnor
but what about the times we get mezzed first?

I agree that sm's are good, but we have fuck all ranged etc.

Your healers have aoe insta stun so j00 will nevur b mezzed ! ITS UNREAL

 

[-yoda-]

Originally posted by old.Lethul
you say dont even mention friars bla bla bla, but still you mention shammys? get a "reality" check

friars? lol no det . no pf . we aint even wanted in rvr grps.. we cant root . we cant ae disease , we cant Dot . only thing we bring to a grp is resist buffs and base buffs . our healing sucks . our rez's suck ... we got low hp . low weapon skill . leather armor . only defence is from the front (unlike savages/mercs/bm's etc who have all round evade) we have no grp stuff that is needed basically . yes we are good in 1v1's but if you think the status of us 1v1 is how you base your ideas then u r stupid.

you cant compare a shammy toa friar at all.... even 1v1 a shammy would pwn (in open combat) a friar. if you dont think so roll a friar and find out

 

[-yoda-]

Originally posted by old.Lethul
shammys got 4 in mend. alteast the shammys that are good at diseasing and rooting

id give up my healing line ANY day of the week anytime if i can have insta desiease/root/dot

shammys with -10 mend will still be able to heal for 200+ if they got +11mend from items and +?? from RR .. my friar has 7 juve and i heal for 200-300 that with +11items and rr

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by -yoda-
friars? lol no det . no pf . we aint even wanted in rvr grps.. we cant root . we cant ae disease , we cant Dot . only thing we bring to a grp is resist buffs and base buffs . our healing sucks . our rez's suck ... we got low hp . low weapon skill . leather armor . only defence is from the front (unlike savages/mercs/bm's etc who have all round evade) we have no grp stuff that is needed basically . yes we are good in 1v1's but if you think the status of us 1v1 is how you base your ideas then u r stupid.

you cant compare a shammy toa friar at all.... even 1v1 a shammy would pwn (in open combat) a friar. if you dont think so roll a friar and find out

errrrrrrr fyi a friar hits extremely hard, the same damage as a high ranked merc/bm/zerk, yes even savage

their problem is the lack of determination

 

[-yoda-]

Originally posted by Nazghul-
What?

Where did i say such a thing?

Cleric is the strongest buffer, infil strongest assassin, scout strongest archer, minstrel strongest GOD, friar strongest 2ndary healer etc.

But my point of the post was just that you can't compare classes like that. (Though hidden under some sarcasm that some ppl wouldn't understand)

IMO
Hunter >> Scout (hunter pet >> scout. hunter melee > scout melee)
Shammy buffs >> Cleric buffs (same bufs ??? but shammys get end also)
shamen >> friar (make a friar and fight 1v1 with a shammy n see for yourself)
minstrel ? roll one and see how uber they are you hit for shit dmge and not much els is good either after resists etc etc.

i suggest you actually play those alb chars before you actually comment on them .some people whine about classes cos they may of been pwnd by the uber buffbotted RR's ones .

 

[Arnor]

if you cant beat a shammy 1v1, im sorry for you (excluding some extreme kiting from shammy)


i've been hit for 6-700 dmg on my zerker, in mp armor, fully buffed by friars.

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by -yoda-
friars? lol no det . no pf . we aint even wanted in rvr grps.. we cant root . we cant ae disease , we cant Dot . only thing we bring to a grp is resist buffs and base buffs . our healing sucks . our rez's suck ... we got low hp . low weapon skill . leather armor . only defence is from the front (unlike savages/mercs/bm's etc who have all round evade) we have no grp stuff that is needed basically . yes we are good in 1v1's but if you think the status of us 1v1 is how you base your ideas then u r stupid.

you cant compare a shammy toa friar at all.... even 1v1 a shammy would pwn (in open combat) a friar. if you dont think so roll a friar and find out

yes yes .. but i was only responding to zoyster saying shamans heal during combat.. i agree shaman > friar

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by Arnor
if you cant beat a shammy 1v1, im sorry for you (excluding some extreme kiting from shammy)


i've been hit for 6-700 dmg on my zerker, in mp armor, fully buffed by friars.

Yus.. at cap speed

 

[-yoda-]

Originally posted by VodkaFairy
errrrrrrr fyi a friar hits extremely hard, the same damage as a high ranked merc/bm/zerk, yes even savage

their problem is the lack of determination

and what good is our dmge if we are stood mezz'd for the whole duration ? if not mezz'd ussually /assist trained on early or we to busy ghetto rezzing or ghetto heling our cleric/sorc who has a train of savages on him or hib casters stunning/nuking him rto death/ thats why mercs/arsman ALWAYS get a grp ahead of a friar. give friars Det imo and other classes who are tanks (light or hybrid) who cant get det,, or nerf Det.. det has ruined a LOT of classes (mainly CC and non det melee classes.

only grps friars can get nowadays are gg's or grps full of wizzys/cabbys/theurgs/necro's . you know? the grps that get wtfpwnd everytime cos no decent rvr well setup grps want

 

[-yoda-]

Originally posted by Arnor
if you cant beat a shammy 1v1, im sorry for you (excluding some extreme kiting from shammy)


i've been hit for 6-700 dmg on my zerker, in mp armor, fully buffed by friars.

yes we hit hard arnor but shammy > friar anytime...


shammy desieases > dots > sprints out of our melee range . rinse and repeat ..friars cant even get close enough to land a hit on a shammy .hence shammy wins everytime. only time i can kill a shammy if somehow the dumb fuck lets me get my side style chain of on him , in which case he is dead before the stun wears off.

im praying that mythic answers the friar tl's request for a rear style hinder or stun for friars at a higher weapon spec in the style review cos that will help us get grps more easy (i hope) in rvr .

 

[Arnor]

try to get ppl to demezz you

 

[VodkaFairy]

Originally posted by -yoda-
and what good is our dmge if we are stood mezz'd for the whole duration ? if not mezz'd ussually /assist trained on early or we to busy ghetto rezzing or ghetto heling our cleric/sorc who has a train of savages on him or hib casters stunning/nuking him rto death/ thats why mercs/arsman ALWAYS get a grp ahead of a friar. give friars Det imo and other classes who are tanks (light or hybrid) who cant get det,, or nerf Det.. det has ruined a LOT of classes (mainly CC and non det melee classes.

only grps friars can get nowadays are gg's or grps full of wizzys/cabbys/theurgs/necro's . you know? the grps that get wtfpwnd everytime cos no decent rvr well setup grps want

/agree with both you and arnor

demezzing is far from impossible

 

[-yoda-]

Originally posted by Arnor
try to get ppl to demezz you

kinda hard when sorc has a savage train beating on his ass and the mincer in our grp also has NO det and is mezz'd also (unless he has purge) which in most cases they demezz the more important classes in grp (arms/pally/cleric/merc/sorc"if still alive) or are spotted demezzing and are stunned or /assisted on . or interupting/mezzing enemy support

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by -yoda-
only grps friars can get nowadays are gg's or grps full of wizzys/cabbys/theurgs/necro's . you know? the grps that get wtfpwnd everytime cos no decent rvr well setup grps want

Ahh, and the FotMitis spreads further...

 

[-yoda-]

Originally posted by Belomar
Ahh, and the FotMitis spreads further...

huh ? its true belo only grps these days that friars/cabbys/wizzys/necros/reavers (to an extent) can get are the sucky pick up grps. unless they are GG's .

although i have been trying persuade our gg lately to drop a tank and get a necro for af debuff assisting . but as some say above a good rvr grp for alb has no room for a necro due to more important classes being more viable