The decline of smoking?

[Padwah]

And of course, no-one who works in a bar smokes either. You'll probably find most people do. anyway, a lot of pubs have No Smoking near the bar rules which I can live with. But to outlaw smoking in pubs completely would be a travest, and would ruin the pubbing experience. I can only hope if a ban does come in (and it well might, it seems the uneducated fools are winning this battle just by shouting louder and waving their arms around), people will be allowed to set up "Smoking Bars", where people can still go and enjoy a cigarette. Non-smokers wouldn't be able to complain either - the fact that the bar is going to be smoky is kinda written on the tin.

Whether someone who works in a pub smokes or not doesn't make a difference. The statement was that people should use common sense, ban it where you can't avoid it like working places, public transport etc, just because some people who work in pubs will smoke doesn't mean this rule is exempt, in any office there will be people who smoke but them and the guests visiting the business generally have to go outside. And, personally, I don't see why the pub should be any different, if you're that desperate just pop outside and get some fresh air out there

 

[mr.Blacky]

Just when I thought I wasn't going to post in this thread.

Avoid smoke, don't work in a pub. Ohh I forgot the people working in pubs do that caus they are there under gun point. :kissit:

 

[GekuL]

Would you like a glass stomach installed so you can see where you're going?

 

[Frizz]

Solution!

 

[Munkey]

heh

"The Nicosphere should remain fully operational for the rest of the user’s lifetime. Should a malfunction occur before the user’s death or even up to ten years after purchase, we guarantee to provide the latest Nicosphere model as a replacement along with 200 cigarettes of your choice. "

heh

 

[Sigurd]

One thing I find funny is the illusion that smoking only affects your lungs... it also greatly increases the chances of a heart attack, amongst other things.

 

[kanonfodda]

Solution!

LMFAO class

 

[Bym]

It slows the heart beat down which calms you slightly.

Trem, who told you it slows the heartbeat down?

Nicotine raises your blood pressure, causing tachycardia (increased heart rate). If you ingested nicotine in its liquid form you would likely suffer heart failure. It's a cholinergic poison agent, rather like muscarine (poisonous mushrooms).

It's probably the relief from nicotine withdrawal you are feeling when you have a cigarette, combined with the soothing effect of actually smoking. I never found smoking calming, but very enjoyable, but I was a nervous wreck for quite some time after I gave up.

 

[Chilly]

This is most likely irrelivant and will be viewed as being a **** but i dont really care.

Lasw weekend i was out in oxford and we went to an oxford university bar (not a union bar but a bar that only lets oxford union members in - there IS a difference ) I myself am not a member of OUSU but i gto in because my mate greg works there and put me and another mate on the list so we could get in (for the curious its the Purple Turtle) to my astonishment i saw a grand total of about 10 people smoking (one of which was my friend who isnt an oxford student either). The place was pretty full and has a capacity of about 250 id imagine.

Compare this to a place on the same street with no entrance requirements (bar being 18+) called the Cellar, place is full of people smoking and I can only see a few people who are not/were not smoking.

It strikes me that the people in the purple turtle were mostly students at Oxford and as such probably pretty clever (note, not all oxford students are clever, some just get straight As in everyhting cos they study all day) and these people wernt smoking, you cna see where im going im sure.

Smoking is bad for you, theres no two ways about it, of course its bad for you and your being naeive if you think otherwise.

But from where i stand (i dont smoke) smoking is slowsly weeding out the intellectual inferior people thus giving rise to a more intelligent current in the UK which im entirely happy with. So carry on smoking you bloody idiots il have a bigger pension!

 

[Munkey]

Pass me the cool stick

 

[Jonny_Darko]

It strikes me that the people in the purple turtle were mostly students at Oxford and as such probably pretty clever (note, not all oxford students are clever, some just get straight As in everyhting cos they study all day) and these people wernt smoking, you cna see where im going im sure.

What utter, utter bollocks. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Brain surgeons and rocket scientists around the world smoke. So do shitloads of Doctors who know better than anyone what it does to people.

It all comes down to whether or not you ever started in your youth (I was quite old at 19 - I doubt many start after that age). If you did, you got hooked, if you didn't, you didn't. It doesn't make smokers weaker or less intelligent than anyone else.

They do however, tend to smell more

 

[Munkey]

Also the people I knew at my old school who went to oxford were all geeks. It was the 'cooler' people who were going to warwick or durham who smoked.

 

[Jupitus]

I stink

 

[old.user4556]

What utter, utter bollocks. It has nothing to do with intelligence. Brain surgeons and rocket scientists around the world smoke. So do shitloads of Doctors who know better than anyone what it does to people.

It all comes down to whether or not you ever started in your youth (I was quite old at 19 - I doubt many start after that age). If you did, you got hooked, if you didn't, you didn't. It doesn't make smokers weaker or less intelligent than anyone else.

They do however, tend to smell more

True, true.

I know a girl who studied medicine at Edinburgh uni and was a smoker. Ironiclly, she did a paper on the effects of smoking and it's detriment on health.

She was academically clever, but an airhead at the same time. I suppose there is a difference between being academically clever and having common sense.

 

[~Yuckfou~]

I suppose there is a difference between being academically clever and having common sense.

I'm both , and smoked up until very recently.
Chilly I'm afraid your arguement is deeply flawed, lets hope you are studying something easy at uni

 

[Bym]

I was very badly bullied at school for being clever and called a 'swot'. I started smoking and joined the bad kids who never did any work and who played truant a lot, and lo and behold, I was instantly 'cool' and the bullying stopped.

Didn't do as well as I should have done at school after that, still got a few A's, but I wasn't picked on any more. Such a shame it came to that (or maybe a shame that I couldn't cope with the bullying).

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah chilly I'm sorry but your argument is bollocks. At uni I hang around with medical students, who learn all about the dangers of smoking in one of the hundreds of lectures they have to learn each year. Every single one of them smokes. and this is at St Andrews, Oxbridge of the north as some fucking retards insist on calling it.

 

[dysfunction]

Just been on the tube with a moron who decided it was cool to smoke on the London Underground system.

He is so considerate all he can think about is himself and nothing about any possible fire hazards or anything.

I did ask him to please put the cig out but he just stared at me....so much for being polite.

Sometimes I wish It was legal to shoot people like that

 

[Tom]

You should have stood up, walked over to where he was sat, turned around, and let rip a massive fart into his face.

Of course, this would necessitate the consumption of a laxative a few hours before. Thorntons Diabetic Chocolate is a good one.

 

[ArrrImmaPir8!]

You should have stood up, walked over to where he was sat, turned around, and let rip a massive fart into his face.

Of course, this would necessitate the consumption of a laxative a few hours before. Thorntons Diabetic Chocolate is a good one.

Nerd Rage ^________^

 

[GekuL]

People from low income groups and those with less education are more likely to be smokers. So chilly is not talking total bollocks, although it's nothing to do with intelligence.

 

[Dawnrider]

heh

A m8 of mine gets seriously unwell well people smoke around him.

He was on the bus one day, and it was non-smoking, yadda, yadda yadda. There was a c. 16-year old girl smoking there (classic big earings, shell suit, greasy hair, etc.). He asked her to stop because it made him feel ill, and she started swearing at him and blowing smoke at him from close range.

So he opted for plan B. He sat right next to her. She carried on, and blew smoke in his face, muttering and swearing. He started feeling more and more unwell. Until he threw up all over her.

She got irrate, shouted, swore some more and stormed off the bus. My m8 got a resounding ovation from the collected passengers.

 

[Wij]

But from where i stand (i dont smoke) smoking is slowsly weeding out the intellectual inferior people thus giving rise to a more intelligent current in the UK which im entirely happy with. So carry on smoking you bloody idiots il have a bigger pension!

Actually even if your argument was correct, which it isn't, most people die of smoking-related diseases long after breeding age so it's not helping the gene-pool at all.

 

[WPKenny]

I've skipped about half of this thread as people seem to be going round in circles.

I found that article on the student bar that lost revenue when it banned smoking...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3497796.stm

It's a pretty shit example really because it's not like the students decided to stay in and smoke in private, they went elsewhere because it was still allowed elsewhere. With a blanket ban it wouldn't happen. Number may fall a little but no where near as drastically and it would e a universal thing in all pubs/clubs. but then you'd be a pretty boring fart if you refused to go out simply cos you could smoke in the venue.


I'd be ecstatic if smoking was banned altogether. It stinks whther you're inside or outside. Every morning I commute to London. On the station in the morning there's clouds of smoke drifting past me, irrating my nostrils.
People get on the train with a cloud of smoke behind them stinking of stale smoke they've dragged in from their homes. When I get off the train at cannon street, hoardes of people instantly light up and I have to walk through a smoke screen for at least the first couple of minute of my journey. There's a guy in the office who smokes. Despite the fact it's supposed to be a smoke-free building, even the MD of the building management smokes so it's not exactly enforced to any degree. I pull my jacket on at the end of the day and it stinks of stale smoke as if I've been sat in a pub all day.
I walk back to cannon street and have to walk through another smoke screen of people outside the bar inside the station and also the people standing around waiting for their trains.

Why the fuck should I have to put up with this stink the whole day? I don't fart in your face the whole bloody day so why should have to endure your stink?


Anyway, all this will be irrelevant if they did ban smoking because after a generation there'd be no one who bitched about craving cigarettes because they never got addicted in the first place and the economy would have adjusted to this fact.

The only people who have a problem with giving up smoking are the people who currently smoke. In 25+ years it won't even matter.

 

[Tom]

Well said that man.

 

[Chilly]

Ok, perhaps what i said was bollocks but the fact was in the posh place with oxford students fuck all ppl smoking, in the dirt hole 10 yards away, 90% of ppl smoking.

Read it as you will, thats what i saw.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

The only people who have a problem with giving up smoking are the people who currently smoke. In 25+ years it won't even matter.

You're forgetting addicted unborn babies!

 

[mr.Blacky]

Why the fuck should I have to put up with this stink the whole day? I don't fart in your face the whole bloody day so why should have to endure your stink?

Well everybody farts the whole day, 78 times per day I thought.

 

[Driwen]

I'd be ecstatic if smoking was banned altogether. It stinks whther you're inside or outside. Every morning I commute to London. On the station in the morning there's clouds of smoke drifting past me, irrating my nostrils.

In netherlands smoking is banned in the trains, as the people who work there should have the right on a smoke free environment. Even on the platform(not sure if this is correct word, mean the place where you wait/get in on the train) and station is it banned (well on platform you can smoke at designated place). It is since january and havent heard that much trouble about it, the people who take the train need to so not smoking for 45 mins wont be for many a reason to find an other way.
Also trains here had smoking and non smoking coaches and the smoking choaches usually were way more empty than the non smoking ones. So now the coaches can be better used, so allthough there will be less smokers on the train there might be more non smokers as the non smoking coach(es) (which is now the whole train) is less crowded.

I am assuming that this will go for bars and pubs aswell. Allthough they will probably be more effected by a smoke ban than the trains will be.

 

[JBP|]

well as norway introduced a smoking ban in its bars and resturants it seems like its going to be a trend like it or not


intrestingly though takings in bars in ireland have aparently dropped by 15% since the smoking ban