The current moderators

[Shike]

However, you can have a forum without people being arseholes? I've done my share of bitching/whining/flaming but most of it has been done PRIVATELY which is the key thing here - resolve personal disputes, PERSONALLY not publically.

Oh and adultly too. That doesnt mean with porn Gamah.

hmm, I've done quite abit of bitching/whining/flaming also but publically, all I've gotten so far is a 10% warning which now is expired and I admit fully I deserved that warning, I called all mids retards which was a tad harsch when we all know just a bunch of them are just that
I think I got a PM during BW's time where a mod said I went alil too far but that was like 3 years ago

So no, I do not agree with you at all about how one deal with matters. A forum without arseholes? Sure, whenever the sky falls down and goats milk is red wine. Then I'll happily suck a goats titties and admit I was wrong when saying, that will never ever happen, just because so many arseholes play DAoC, griefers, vultures, general arseholes, and those fellas post here too.

 

[Kinetix]

TBH, the mods do a gr8 job. It's nice to see the "qq zomgz0r" children getting their knicker elastic a tad too tight.

How difficult is it to follow a few simple rules when posting here? I have been banned twice and on each occasion I have thoroughly deserved a "cool off" period, yet others who get banned treat it like its the end of the world. I guess these are also the people who like to say "fuck you" to authority in the real world then write letters to their local MP's because they got caught for speeding, got a parking ticket, get a summons for not paying their council tax etc etc.

The 100 odd who dislike the current situation are always free to bugger off and make their own forum where they can qq at each other and stroke respective e-peens.

as far as i can tell i cant complain about the mods on this forum. yeah ok Tilda and Jupitus are a bit too temperemental and reply with insults. On the other hand Flim and Tears i cant complain. What i voted was not for all mods but for a general note of the Mods on this forum

 

[Alan]

I guess in the old days it was either a PM or a Ban so unless it was pretty harsh people would have gotten off more lightly. With the warning system its just one click away to give someone a virtual finger wagging.

One thing I have noticed is very similar to the emote spamming thing that goes on in game.

A calls B a fucktard so B reports them and A gets a slap on the wrist
Other people see this so bait/report others into doing the same then demand equal treatment

 

[necromania]

i would Vote yes, if it was the Options

1: Yes the mods rocks /joke
2: no. the mods aint good.

but as the 2 options are listet i voted no.

yeye jupitus ban all from FH when they go against you..

and no i wont fuck off..

and a admin saying " those who voted no, can just fuck off or be banned ) ( something like that), doesnt really make sence to me tbh,

if ppl keep whining at the mods on the forum, just close the threads 5min after their createt , instead of letting them run 10-30 pages....

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

How can you compare a forum post to what happened to that guy?

He thinks he is a kind of a freedom fighter but has easy mode side stun and back positional snare to kill cloth users.

Oh, the hypocrisy!

 

[Kinetix]

as far as i can tell i cant complain about the mods on this forum. yeah ok Tilda and Jupitus are a bit too temperemental and reply with insults. On the other hand Flim and Tears i cant complain. What i voted was not for all mods but for a general note of the Mods on this forum

please allow me to quote myself.

The same aspect affects the Game Masters, i can have a normal conversation with Zenythe and SOMETIMES requiel, but i cant have a normal conversation with Xalin as he often replys in God Mod like when there is no need for that.
several times i reported bugs in game just cause i thought it was fun to discover them (risking getting baned in the process) i never lacked any respect to any of the GMs yet what does a person get for being a (consider myself ) a good player, i get suspended 7 days for spaming emotes.
Resuming i think both FH and Daoc Mods/Admins really should study their actions wich would pbbly avoid embarrassing situations even if not done on purpose

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

So no, I do not agree with you at all about how one deal with matters. A forum without arseholes? Sure, whenever the sky falls down and goats milk is red wine. Then I'll happily suck a goats titties and admit I was wrong when saying, that will never ever happen, just because so many arseholes play DAoC, griefers, vultures, general arseholes, and those fellas post here too.

I disagree - just because theyre in the game that doesn't give them a right to be on the forums.

There is abusive behaviour and arseholes on the street in the real world but if they walk up to a copper in the street, call him a f***ing c*** and shove him they get nicked on the spot - why do you think the rules are any different here for abusive behaviour?

The same principles apply except the ban stick is the punishment instead of a cell and a quiet shoeing. Granted some can be quite free with the stick but then some can be quite free with the insults.

Perhaps i should mention that i feel quite strongly on this as i've admined a (non-daoc obviously) server and forums in the past and its a thankless bitch of a job where no matter what you do you get whined at. And as the mods know i don't always agree with them, i just think that those of you that think they can do better don't have a f***ing clue just how tricky the job is.

 

[Straef]

... which is why my finger isn't hovering quite so close to the big ban button of doom

Shame ;( I'm sure that banning half the people would give an interesting twist to the thread.

Aye... let the RvR idiots (in regard to the "PVE playera can not mod) moderate the forums, so each time they get owned in game they ban half of the community on FH.

Keep your heads, your childish behaviour and the mod abuse on IRC and do not try to establish it here.

Every time I got warned by a mod, I fully deserved it.

You deserve a warning for still being around :<

 

[Konah]

you don`t like it ???
then what are you doing here ?
stfu and move on.

fact is the vast majority DISLIKE IT, so why dont u care-bear-nice-guy-irl-wouldnt-say-boo-to-a-goose-love-irvr-and-moc/di3-suicide-runs-types stfu and move on and give the MAJORITY OF US the modding we want? that is the question...

 

[ebenezer]

fact is the vast majority DISLIKE IT, so why dont u care-bear-nice-guy-irl-wouldnt-say-boo-to-a-goose-love-irvr-and-moc/di3-suicide-runs-types stfu and move on and give the MAJORITY OF US the modding we want? that is the question...

obviously you havent read the rest of the thread. There is no sound arguments as of yet for the whiners to behave like they do and stay on these forums. Also its clearly stated by many that the majority do think its ok..something over 100 doslike it...and like 500 or more browse the forum. So where does the VAST majority comes in?

 

[Gilbride]

Actually, ebenezer, where're those statistics displaying 500-odd active members of the RvR Discussion-forum? So far Jupitus has brought up the activitycurve for the entire forum, but this discussion is regarding the RvR Discussion-forum of Excal/Pryd, not Glast, not Camlann, nor any other section of Excal/Pryd.

 

[censi]

Ok - I have checked out the warning history.

1st warning was for


Quote:
Originally Posted by Censi
coldbeard u have got to be the biggest fuckwit ever to grace these forums. gratz.


on 17/4/2006. 3 days after receiving a warning you posted:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Censi
a cut above the likes of hansi, panos, pip etc. possible candidate for most retarded player on server. exceptionally shit player with exceptionally shit playstyle. (maybe that does deserve a gratz)



and got another warning - guess what - at this point we have seen lots of reported posts about your flaming, and you are right on the scopes.

May 30th arrives and we have a reported post:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Censi
stay OFF that crackpipe you numbnut.

You will never know the concept of loyalty pip because you play the game with newbs, as a newb. half your shitty guild have jumped ship for albion. And they would grease your sorry ass for 20 rps, faster than u can say "you want chilli sauce with that meight".


You picked up a further warning for this for basically accusing another user of drug abuse.

Now - with all that history, you really think a mod is going to ignore you posting 'pan pipe' directed towards the exact same user?

Got what you deserved in my opinion.

search for the word pan pipe and censi I have said this about 10 times now and got a warning once. Thats why I was a little unclear. I changed crack pipe to pan pipe (as apparently I was insinuating pip has a drug problem in real life rather than implying he was talking crap (stay of the crackpipe etc).

so I ask again what the hell is wrong with pan pipe?! christ its like a friendly insult as far as im concerned. like calling someone a wally

 

[Jupitus]

search for the word pan pipe and censi I have said this about 10 times now and got a warning once. Thats why I was a little unclear. I changed crack pipe to pan pipe (as apparently I was insinuating pip has a drug problem in real life rather than implying he was talking crap (stay of the crackpipe etc).

so I ask again what the hell is wrong with pan pipe?! christ its like a friendly insult as far as im concerned. like calling someone a wally

If it was an isolated post then there'd be no problem, but it wasn't. In the context of the history prior to you using the term it was deemed as a continuation of repeated attacks against an individual forum user... if that was not your intention then tough, you should have considered your posting more carefully and it's possible interpretations.

 

[Jupitus]

Actually, ebenezer, where're those statistics displaying 500-odd active members of the RvR Discussion-forum? So far Jupitus has brought up the activitycurve for the entire forum, but this discussion is regarding the RvR Discussion-forum of Excal/Pryd, not Glast, not Camlann, nor any other section of Excal/Pryd.

Basically guess work based on the levels of activity I see in the different forums - sadly I can't split the statistics down more precisely from the admin logs or I would have done so

 

[Puppet]

The numbers who have voted do not make up a sufficient representation of the community for statistical analysis, in my view.

Checking recent activity logs, we have on average between 1500 and 2000 active users per day, and I would conservatively estimate that about 2/3 of that number are DAOC users primarily. 150 or so have voted no, versus a probable active number of users in excess of 500. That's a long way short of a majority. I would also contest that a large number of users are much less regular visitirs to the boards, checking occasionally on raids and such. Indeed, I know we have a number of users leaving due to not liking all the flaming and whining.

I'm sorry, but thats just a twisted way of looking at numbers. No matter if you think (or think not) if numbers are sufficient representation is totally irrelevant if you dont give an accurate number on when it is representative. 250 out of 500-750 isnt representative? Thats well over a third of the total userbase you assume, cmon how can that not be representative, even if you dont hang any consequences on it, atleast it should give you a pretty accurate idea about how the people think. Or do you think the people who didnt vote are all 'fine' with the mods? Or perhaps they would have picked 'I dont give a fuck'.

In any case, if you take feedback of the community serious, this should be a pretty serious signal. Leaving in the middle if the majority thinks the mods should stay or go, it does give a signal.

For the record, I think the mods are doing fine, however they do close many topics too fast. Fix that, leave threads open abit longer, if needed edit a few postings would go a long way.


Saying 'I listen to the community, just not to those 150 people who dont agree with me' is ofcourse an empty statement.

 

[Gilbride]

Basically guess work based on the levels of activity I see in the different forums - sadly I can't split the statistics down more precisely from the admin logs or I would have done so

Yeh I kinda figured as much, and it is obviously hard to judge activity, but I'm heavily in doubt of people using the larger number of the statistics you displayed as arguments for why the poll is entirely meaningless. I'm not saying it's a great poll, or that it displays a whole lot at all, but it is a slight indication in a general direction atleast. If you wanna argue the poll is entirely useless, do so, but use better arguments than the numbers supplied by Jupitus, since, as he himself says, they're not accurate for this particular discussion.

 

[raid]

With all the rules and permabanhappy mods this forum badly lacks diversity. There used to be a lot of "colourful" discussions which were often a great laugh.

Now the tone is very "official" and the relaxed atmosphere is badly lacking, which is not what I'd prefer on a gaming forum myself.

However it's most likely true majority of visitors don't mind or care about the modding. If they did, they would vote "no" here. BUT even if there are 500-1000 daily visitors, very small percentage of them post actively... seems fair to say that majority of the people who actually POST here indeed do think theres something wrong.

 

[Jupitus]

Well interestingly if you look at numbers of threads created in the 2 rvr discussions forums 11 pages takes you back to Dec 5th 2005 on the Glastonbury forum, whereas you need to go back over 80 pages on the Pryd/Excal RvR forum before you reach that date - this would indicate a large weighting of users being active in this forum, no?

Edit: and 7 pages in the Camlann forum.

 

[Jupitus]

However it's most likely true majority of visitors don't mind or care about the modding. If they did, they would vote "no" here. BUT even if there are 500-1000 daily visitors, very small percentage of them post actively... seems fair to say that majority of the people who actually POST here indeed do think theres something wrong.

Aye - I dare say a fair number of the happier users would quite likely have seen the title of this thread and ignored it as 'yet another mod-whine' thread

 

[vavires]

Aye - I dare say a fair number of the happier users would quite likely have seen the title of this thread and ignored it as 'yet another mod-whine' thread

So isnt it time to end it then, and close this shit?

 

[Jupitus]

So isnt it time to end it then, and close this shit?

... what? And stand accused of suppressing the masses??

 

[censi]

If it was an isolated post then there'd be no problem, but it wasn't. In the context of the history prior to you using the term it was deemed as a continuation of repeated attacks against an individual forum user... if that was not your intention then tough, you should have considered your posting more carefully and it's possible interpretations.

I got a pm from eggy saying using crack pipe was insinuating he had a drugs problem. I sent a reply back saying ok fair enough ill say pan pipe as theres no drugs correlation. didnt get anything back from him saying not to. used pan pipe many times with no worries (as its clearly non offensive) then all of a sudden got a warning for it.

I mean from my point of view I try and adhere to what I was told. I still want to be able to have little digs at people ofc thats half the fun but I dont want to do it in anyway that really offends anyone. I think you guys just take your jobs too seriously and its destroying all the fun here.

I mean come on pan pipe ffs

 

[Infanity]

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Aye - I dare say a fair number of the happier users would quite likely have seen the title of this thread and ignored it as 'yet another mod-whine' thread

Thats a wierd statement tbh. Care to explain what you base that logic on?

Maybe the mayority of the unhappy ppl ignored the thread since they realized it will not make any diffrence what-so-ever? Might be only be who think such logics are wierd Oo.

 

[pip]

I got a pm from eggy saying using crack pipe was insinuating he had a drugs problem. I sent a reply back saying ok fair enough ill say pan pipe as theres no drugs correlation. didnt get anything back from him saying not to. used pan pipe many times with no worries (as its clearly non offensive) then all of a sudden got a warning for it.

I mean from my point of view I try and adhere to what I was told. I still want to be able to have little digs at people ofc thats half the fun but I dont want to do it in anyway that really offends anyone. I think you guys just take your jobs too seriously and its destroying all the fun here.

I mean come on pan pipe ffs

Pan pipe still offends me and you are just bending the rules to suit yourself,we all still no you mean crack pipe so you deserve all you get imo

 

[censi]

its probably based on the logic that if you actually agree with the data then your fucked arguement wise.

so ofc the vast shining majority of "nice guy irls" that read these forums see this massive pole post but ofc dont want to open the post because they are not interested in reading about mods, they know its another whine post etc... or if they do open the post they feel inclined not to hit the yes button as its just random whine.

Pllllllllllleeeeeeeeaaaaaasssse

 

[Gilbride]

Well interestingly if you look at numbers of threads created in the 2 rvr discussions forums 11 pages takes you back to Dec 5th 2005 on the Glastonbury forum, whereas you need to go back over 80 pages on the Pryd/Excal RvR forum before you reach that date - this would indicate a large weighting of users being active in this forum, no?

Edit: and 7 pages in the Camlann forum.

Could just as well indicate that there's a need to start new threads, since alot get locked here J/K tho, yes, that would indeed indicate that the useractivity is larger on Excal/Pryd RvR Section as opposed to the other 2 servers, but it doesn't really give you any actual info on what the numbers would be in reality. Obviously I never said the numbers would favour "my" standpoint either, just that it's a rather poor argument using numbers that really tell nothing without heavy use of guesswork and potentially extremely poor guesswork.

However, as has been said, it's rather indicative that there's a need for such a discussion, if such a large number of users feel discomfort over the current way things are handled on the RvR-section, be it modding or the rules themselves.

 

[Jupitus]

Well, as it stands don't be expecting some earth-shattering shake-up, mod sackings and changes of rules. I believe the mods are doing a good job and I will encourage them to continue.

What I will say, however, is that I will bear in mind this poll and watch more carefully for inconsistencies in modding - in fairness the guys are working behind the scenes on 'standardisation' of warnings etc to this end, but with the new %-based warning system it is quite complex now.

Also, this thread has highlighted that you can PM me as an admin if you have a serious complaint and I will investigate as appropriate.

 

[censi]

Pan pipe still offends me and you are just bending the rules to suit yourself,we all still no you mean crack pipe so you deserve all you get imo

no I dont mean crack pipe. I mean I could say stay out of the olds man drinks cabinet! or lay off the weed! or get some sleep! or anything to imply you are not of sane mind etc. doesnt mean I think you are alcholic or toker or insomniac.

its getting slightley comical all this shit. Its like paranoid housemates on big brother. just relax and have fun. if your seriously insulted by this then stay away from these forums because a lot of people also think you talk a large amount of shit and will throw similar comments at you. you will be a nervious wreck IRL!

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

fact is the vast majority DISLIKE IT, so why dont u care-bear-nice-guy-irl-wouldnt-say-boo-to-a-goose-love-irvr-and-moc/di3-suicide-runs-types stfu and move on and give the MAJORITY OF US the modding we want? that is the question...

I cant speak for everyone, but actually im an opinionated son-of-a-bitch who has a shitty temper (ask anyone who's heard my lose my rag on voicecomms) who happens to have the ability to be a mature, rational human being instead of behaving like a child who can't get his way (some of you irrespective of your age behave in a way I see in my godsons junior school playground).

My honest advice to the mods is just to cut the discussion at this point - you've said your piece, they've not listened to a decently reasoned counter-argument (ok some holes in it but mostly sound). The time to close a thread like this is when your critics have stopped listening to reason.

Censi, as one of the few who seem to have a geniune beef with the mods my suggestion would be PM's not discussion this way

Edit: Large post count for me today as work as pissing me off - not able to get anything don so gave up and went forum-trolling.