The current moderators

[Javai]

Comments specifically on the current poll and statistical validity. Polls are only as good as their question wording and their response rate. In this case the poll fails to deliver anything you could act on as it fails on both these tasks.

1. It lumps all moderators into one category when several people have commented in the thread that they are happy with some moderators but find some overstep the mark. It would be wrong to have a poll on each moderator named, if you feel a moderator oversteps the mark PM'ing Jupitus is th ebest way to go then he can see if he gets a string of complaints about a particular mod.

2. The poll asks if the moderators are up to the task - if doesn't ask if the task itself is properly defined. So you could be unhappy with the rules but think the moderators enforce them perfectly fairly. The poll as it is currently worded doesn't invite constructive discussion of a ruleset to make the forum a better place it invites attacks on the mods.

3. Response rates. You can only infer from a sample if it is unbiased, in this case there is strong reason to suggest that those who do not reply are different in their opinions than those who do - any inference from a minority response in such a situation is potentially misleading

 

[ebenezer]

eh i think a lot of people didnt vote cause a admin treaten to use banstick , ofc the data is off

have that ever stopped anyone before?

 

[Dallas]

have that ever stopped anyone before?

Well 5 yes votes, 40 no votes.. Then the ban threat, and yes votes bumped up by 10ish, and 5 more no votes.. Coincidence ? maybe..

 

[Sollers]

right you are right and im wrong The poll represent the whole comunity and nothing else^^

Read Sharkith posts and learn how to make useful comments that actually make sense please

 

[Marc]

So let the guy who sent that PM grow up and take a look outside, tough world... learn to live with it

Maybe the people who like to come on here pissing and moaning about adding/zerging/whatever the fotm whine is about, should take your advice too

 

[Gamah]

Fact is 90% of the daoc group have not contributed a fucking penny towards the upkeep of the forums, therefore they are not FH's customers, therefore it dosn't matter a jot what they think.
Perhaps we should hold mod-elections however you only get a vote if you have payed your £10 to register...

I'd pay £10 to vote you out of the Big Freddys House.

Jupitus! A money making idea!! Pay money to get your fav mod demodded :>

 

[Gamah]

Well 5 yes votes, 40 no votes.. Then the ban threat, and yes votes bumped up by 10ish, and 5 more no votes.. Coincidence ? maybe..

How can you compare a forum post to what happened to that guy?

 

[ebenezer]

Gamah is right tbh, I have a retarded sister myself but you don't hear me whining about people calling eachother retards. Sadly enough it's a socially accepted word and no-one, not even Jupiter with his elite mod-squad can change this.

So let the guy who sent that PM grow up and take a look outside, tough world... learn to live with it

so lets all enforce this harsh world and make all places bad?
And you still just have to accept rules of one sorts of another in other areas of life, including here were they set rules ofr this forum. How come you accept other things so easy without resistance but this you just role over for and gang in?

 

[ebenezer]

Read Sharkith posts and learn how to make useful comments that actually make sense please

if you read my other comments you will see i post usefull replies to usefull posts...so post me one and i might reward you back..sigh lol

 

[Sollers]

Yes I take your point about the science - so lets drop that and discuss what a polls actually do?

Polls are opinion formers and they are a way for government (here the board Admins) to orientate their future policy. You introduced a poll on a serious topic in a way that effectively short circuited the function of the poll to help shape the policy of the board. Thats what is so dissapointing here, that and the (current) lack of evidence of systematic bias and over modding.

If you want to try and shape opinion it is very important to do it in a balanced and constructive way otherwise it all becomes a waste of time. I think you have a point but I am waiting on it to be stated clearly and then maybe I could agree. Thats all.

One place to start is with the current CoC rules. Take the points that cause the most frequent feelings of indignity on the part of persons like you and construct a poll around it. Let people post funny shit and stuff but try to be constructive and then I might even agree with you.

I agree on this yeah.

Though, putting aside the fact that this poll wasn't put together in all the right ways, it does show in my opinion that many people are unhappy with the current modding. Because of this you could argue that Jupiter (authority), as he is responsible for the mods and these (DAoC) forums, has to make a poll himself that does ask people in the right way whether the current mods are performing as they should.

That's why I said earlier in this topic that its easier to flame the poll itself than to do something with the results. The fact that many posts recently arose, besides this poll, that question the mods performance on its own is reason enough for Jupiter, in my opinion, to take a closer look at this.

 

[Sollers]

so lets all enforce this harsh world and make all places bad?
And you still just have to accept rules of one sorts of another in other areas of life, including here were they set rules ofr this forum. How come you accept other things so easy without resistance but this you just role over for and gang in?

Because some rules simply are impossible to implement while others are fair.

 

[Javai]

I was once a mod on a different gaming forum but there they had a system where the mods made new user ids to do the 'modding' and people in general did not know who the mods in-game names were. That might be worth considering in the future, although it leads to speculation as to who is who it allows the mods to post their own opinions under their original forum ideas and their positions/edits as mod using their mod id.

 

[ebenezer]

Because some rules simply are impossible to implement while others are fair.

whats so impossible about impliment the rules they have here? it works fine for some but for others it doesnt ^^ Thats the thing. some poeple abide by rules everywhere most of the time while some bend and twist things around them cause it gains them something. In this case a certain part of the daoc comunity just wont recognise the fact that they cant unleash their fruatration and fury over their victims on this forum. In what way is that a bad thing? Since you obviously are on that side it seems corny even asking that, but lets see if you want a sensible discussion or just a short and pointless one..

 

[Sharkith]

I agree on this yeah.

Though, putting aside the fact that this poll wasn't put together in all the right ways, it does show in my opinion that many people are unhappy with the current modding. Because of this you could argue that Jupiter (authority), as he is responsible for the mods and these (DAoC) forums, has to make a poll himself that does ask people in the right way whether the current mods are performing as they should.

That's why I said earlier in this topic that its easier to flame the poll itself than to do something with the results. The fact that many posts have recently arose, besides this poll, that question the mods performance on its own is reason enough for Jupiter, in my opinion, to take a closer look at this.

Yes and once more I follow your logic. The problem about doing something about the result is deciding on just what they stand for and so we return to the poll.

If you want to be an agent of change then you need to bite the bullet and try to address what the issue is - is it the rules or what? Otherwise we risk repeating the same discussion ad infinitum. There is an unbearable recurrence in the forum on this particular issue and a few others and obviously something needs to be done. It is sad that another opportunity to change things has slipped past thats all.

Still respect for responding and if you do decide to take a good go at what is the root of the problem in an alternative thread I am sure I would contribute.

One final point - the good mods are the ones you tend not to notice. The more noticeable Mods should really take note of that and ask themselves why this is the case.

 

[Shike]

I think the game has detoriated quite abit, since the discussions nowadays is down to this

I dont even wanna participate in this discussion since it essentially is worth nothing, if I had some serious issue with some mod I would PM jup with it, nothing more to it. I do have some issues with the general policys but those wont be moved in the first place hehe.

A lil sidenote, Jupitus, your lil post on first page about clicking no=bannings etc.. on your lil butt for it tbh

Im surprised my voice is less worth since I refuse to pay for a forum aswell, thank you Tilda for that insight, had no idea.

 

[Straef]

You really are devoid of humour.

You should hear her on Teamspeak. She's got plenty of it.

 

[Sollers]

whats so impossible about impliment the rules they have here? it works fine for some but for others it doesnt ^^ Thats the thing. some poeple abide by rules everywhere most of the time while some bend and twist things around them cause it gains them something. In this case a certain part of the daoc comunity just wont recognise the fact that they cant unleash their fruatration and fury over their victims on this forum. In what way is that a bad thing? Since you obviously are on that side it seems corny even asking that, but lets see if you want a sensible discussion or just a short and pointless one..

I'm not sure how it is so obvious to you that I support the immense amount of flaming and personal attacks on these boards, because I don't. I do my best not to take sides. I think though that you can control nothing- not a country or a forum- simply by following the rules. Because in doing so, you go by the human aspect which is present in everything. When people start a heated discussion on these forums it only makes sense words like retard sometimes find their way in since its a heavy amount of emotion from both sides that collide at that time. When this thread then is immediately closed because someone is called a retard, it completely misses the many valuable points this discussion may have.

On the other hand, when someone makes a topic named 'Sollers the easymode retarded zerger' he deserves to be banned or have his post deleted simply because this obvisouly leaves no room for discussion

This is what modding should play close attention to. Many times it seems mods just click their private search button, type in 'retard' and delete/lock/ban everything that pops up in their screen.

This shows then the division when I said that some rules you just cant implement while others can be simply because there are different contexts in which it takes place.

 

[Dukat]

How can you compare a forum post to what happened to that guy?

ye, the idea of getting shot in the head then having your family billed for the bullet for standing up and being counted does kinda make this whole post getting locked thing (or whatever) seem a little silly

 

[Sollers]

Yes and once more I follow your logic. The problem about doing something about the result is deciding on just what they stand for and so we return to the poll.

If you want to be an agent of change then you need to bite the bullet and try to address what the issue is - is it the rules or what? Otherwise we risk repeating the same discussion ad infinitum. There is an unbearable recurrence in the forum on this particular issue and a few others and obviously something needs to be done. It is sad that another opportunity to change things has slipped past thats all.

Still respect for responding and if you do decide to take a good go at what is the root of the problem in an alternative thread I am sure I would contribute.

One final point - the good mods are the ones you tend not to notice. The more noticeable Mods should really take note of that and ask themselves why this is the case.

well, it won't be much of a surprise to you that I cannot be arsed diving into this issue with the goal of making FH a better place (much like you I guess ). It would take too much time.

I like these discussions though, valid points are made

And perhaps we're even setting a good example on how to duscuss in a kind and friendly way

 

[censi]

Censi - was that a a PM'd warning or one using the warning system?

thats was a proper warning system warning that never expires. for a) quoting a comment from pip about moaning about adding, b) quoting a post from pip with him moaning about adding. c) throwing in the all so heavily insulting comment of "pan pipe".

I mean as friendly as little forum digs can be towards your realm adversaries this was it. theres nothing offensive here. why on earth mods deem this as offense and it warrents one more step towards banning me is exactly the reason I really dislike the modding.

 

[Jupitus]

And perhaps we're even setting a good example on how to duscuss in a kind and friendly way

... which is why my finger isn't hovering quite so close to the big ban button of doom

 

[Sollers]

... which is why my finger isn't hovering quite so close to the big ban button of doom

I'm starting to wonder how kind Sharkith and I have to become in order to make you completely forget about that big button of doom as a whole

 

[ebenezer]

I'm not sure how it is so obvious to you that I support the immense amount of flaming and personal attacks on these boards, because I don't. I do my best not to take sides. I think though that you can control nothing- not a country or a forum- simply by following the rules. Because in doing so, you go by the human aspect which is present in everything. When people start a heated discussion on these forums it only makes sense words like retard sometimes find their way in since its a heavy amount of emotion from both sides that collide at that time. When this thread then is immediately closed because someone is called a retard, it completely misses the many valuable points this discussion may have.

On the other hand, when someone makes a topic named 'Sollers the easymode retarded zerger' he deserves to be banned or have his post deleted simply because this obvisouly leaves no room for discussion

This is what modding should play close attention to. Many times it seems mods just click their private search button, type in 'retard' and delete/lock/ban everything that pops up in their screen.

This shows then the division when I said that some rules you just cant implement while others can be simply because there are different contexts in which it takes place.

When in rl do you discuss and use words like retards to make ur point.? here you even have time to think first before you write it down...and still use it( the poeple that do i mean). When you have a mature discussion about something you just cant put words like that and expect to have that( a meaningfull discussion thats gonna lead to something). As soon as that leaves ur mouth, or you write it down(here) you crossed the line of discussion. Its an insult and in rl would most likely result in blows. Here its even over a game which makes it even more rediculous imo. I mean we are not talking about governing worlds or countries here..this is a daoc forum with people moderarting it, and the rules are clearly set. Then if you and everyone wanna discuss that a million times..sure be my guest, but it wont change anything. mods are getting fed up...rest of comunity get fed up and it creates an even worse atmosphere for all to discuss things in since poeple remember the things that happened before.

I cant remember seeing you much around, but if you have im sure you seen how many times we discussed this AND add whine. An endless discussion that have two camps( however divided they really are) and a large part that cant care less about debating here over anything but just comes in to check whats new and for raids going on etc. Th reason they have the rules about add whines is that it almost ALWAYS leads to personal attacks and they dont want that here. Is that so hard to understand? They have to draw the line somewhere and it has been drawn where it is, do you wanna recognise that or not?
If no..sorry i dont know how to help you understand or how we can ever discuss . its very simple. And im sure next week you and me or another pair will discuss this very thing again and again.
eb.

 

[Gamah]

Well I voted no, but I guess I can say I did it by accident if i'll get banned for it :england:

 

[Jupitus]

thats was a proper warning system warning that never expires. for a) quoting a comment from pip about moaning about adding, b) quoting a post from pip with him moaning about adding. c) throwing in the all so heavily insulting comment of "pan pipe".

I mean as friendly as little forum digs can be towards your realm adversaries this was it. theres nothing offensive here. why on earth mods deem this as offense and it warrents one more step towards banning me is exactly the reason I really dislike the modding.

Ok - I have checked out the warning history.

1st warning was for

coldbeard u have got to be the biggest fuckwit ever to grace these forums. gratz.

on 17/4/2006. 3 days after receiving a warning you posted:

a cut above the likes of hansi, panos, pip etc. possible candidate for most retarded player on server. exceptionally shit player with exceptionally shit playstyle. (maybe that does deserve a gratz)

and got another warning - guess what - at this point we have seen lots of reported posts about your flaming, and you are right on the scopes.

May 30th arrives and we have a reported post:

stay OFF that crackpipe you numbnut.

You will never know the concept of loyalty pip because you play the game with newbs, as a newb. half your shitty guild have jumped ship for albion. And they would grease your sorry ass for 20 rps, faster than u can say "you want chilli sauce with that meight".

You picked up a further warning for this for basically accusing another user of drug abuse.

Now - with all that history, you really think a mod is going to ignore you posting 'pan pipe' directed towards the exact same user?

Got what you deserved in my opinion.

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Thing is, you can have a living room without people coming into it..you cant have a forum with no community.

However, you can have a forum without people being arseholes? I've done my share of bitching/whining/flaming but most of it has been done PRIVATELY which is the key thing here - resolve personal disputes, PERSONALLY not publically.

Oh and adultly too. That doesnt mean with porn Gamah.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Aye... let the RvR idiots (in regard to the "PVE playera can not mod) moderate the forums, so each time they get owned in game they ban half of the community on FH.

Keep your heads, your childish behaviour and the mod abuse on IRC and do not try to establish it here.

Every time I got warned by a mod, I fully deserved it.

 

[Kinetix]

Ok - I have checked out the warning history.

1st warning was for



on 17/4/2006. 3 days after receiving a warning you posted:



and got another warning - guess what - at this point we have seen lots of reported posts about your flaming, and you are right on the scopes.

May 30th arrives and we have a reported post:



You picked up a further warning for this for basically accusing another user of drug abuse.

Now - with all that history, you really think a mod is going to ignore you posting 'pan pipe' directed towards the exact same user?

Got what you deserved in my opinion.

well your correct Jupitus he kinda abuses a bit on names etc but i have to give him +1rep just for the words he uses/invents i never thought those names existed... i dont even know what they mean but i had had a laugh with them... a mixture of 17th Century speach with downtown chicago

 

[elbeek]

TBH, the mods do a gr8 job. It's nice to see the "qq zomgz0r" children getting their knicker elastic a tad too tight.

How difficult is it to follow a few simple rules when posting here? I have been banned twice and on each occasion I have thoroughly deserved a "cool off" period, yet others who get banned treat it like its the end of the world. I guess these are also the people who like to say "fuck you" to authority in the real world then write letters to their local MP's because they got caught for speeding, got a parking ticket, get a summons for not paying their council tax etc etc.

The 100 odd who dislike the current situation are always free to bugger off and make their own forum where they can qq at each other and stroke respective e-peens.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

*waits a few seconds*

RR doesnt show anything its a INDICATOR that MAYBE you know bit more, but to start saying that we should listen to many of the high rr people JUST BECAUSE they are high rr and not because what they say makes sence is about the yes The duMBEST thing that has been uttered since God told Noa: Dont forget the fleas.....

You guild RR1 Armsmen that get whole tower populations killed by giving Runis targets for AoE with x-bows out. No woder I sense a kind of a complex here...