Football The 2009/2010 Season Thread

[Vladamir]

Little silver lining from our exit to Inter the other week, go on Butch

Chelsea No2 Wilkins shocks mouthy Inter Milan keeper Toldo | Premiership News | tribalfootball.com

 

[Bahumat]

Little silver lining from our exit to Inter the other week, go on Butch

Chelsea No2 Wilkins shocks mouthy Inter Milan keeper Toldo | Premiership News | tribalfootball.com

Haha awesome

 

[Marc]

Same spanish squad that got pwned by USA in the summer?

Fifa world rankings..

Numero Uno-Spain
8. England

 

[Marc]

 

[Everz]

haha been laughing at that for a while.

 

[Raven]

The world footballs rankings are really accurate.

Spoiler

/sarcasm

 

[Betel]

Arteta would not get into the England team, Marc.

Being English yet supporting Barcelona and Spain I can handle. Yes, it is rather puzzling, but I can handle it. Talking absolute tosh, on the other hand, I cannot. Please stop. Thank you.

 

[cHodAX]

Fifa world rankings..

Numero Uno-Spain
8. England

You are as bad as Adaa, your loyalties seem totally fluid.

 

[Marc]

Arteta would not get into the England team, Marc.

Yes he would Dorimor and its not fanboism at all. He is the player that turns everton from a good team into an excellent team and can play anywhere across the midfield. Hes certainly far better than lennon. His technical ability is typical of the country of his birth. His close control, vision and skill is up there with Cesc Fabregas. Would he oust Gerrard and Lampard? Probably not. Would he oust those heavyweights in Lennon, Downing and Walcott. Definitely.

Its no co-incidence that evertons 9 game home unbeaten run was initiated by the return from Injury of Arteta. My mates a city fan and went to the game last night and said Arteta was simply the best player on the pitch by a country mile. A plaudit he earns regularly.

 

[Marc]

BBC Sport - Football - Michel Platini to stand for re-election as Uefa boss

Who would stand against him? Somebody, please

 

[Betel]

Yes he would Dorimor and its not fanboism at all. He is the player that turns everton from a good team into an excellent team and can play anywhere across the midfield. Hes certainly far better than lennon. His technical ability is typical of the country of his birth. His close control, vision and skill is up there with Cesc Fabregas. Would he oust Gerrard and Lampard? Probably not. Would he oust those heavyweights in Lennon, Downing and Walcott. Definitely.

Its no co-incidence that evertons 9 game home unbeaten run was initiated by the return from Injury of Arteta. My mates a city fan and went to the game last night and said Arteta was simply the best player on the pitch by a country mile. A plaudit he earns regularly.

I am not saying Arteta is a bad player. All I am saying is that England have several players who are similar, and much better, than him.

 

[Calaen]

I am not saying Arteta is a bad player. All I am saying is that England have several players who are similar, and much better, than him.

Name more than 3, I would have Arteta in over Lampard any day of the week, because he does actually influence big games, with his ability to keep the ball and control the game.

 

[Madmaxx]

omg cant stop laughing !

 

[Corran]

Name more than 3, I would have Arteta in over Lampard any day of the week, because he does actually influence big games, with his ability to keep the ball and control the game.

Tbh he probably be just like Gerrard, Lampard etc in the England side... sub par.. due to the fact England managers never seem to understand how to get the midfield to work properly and insist on playing people out of position etc

 

[Gray]

Tony Mowbray gone from Celtic.

Shame, i actually liked him. When he was at West Brom anyway, always seemed so humble and nice.

BBC Sport - Football - Celtic part company with manager Tony Mowbray

 

[Marc]

I am not saying Arteta is a bad player. All I am saying is that England have several players who are similar, and much better, than him.

Gerrard and probably Lampard. Thats it imo. Milner is playing out of his skin at the moment so id put him on a par with Arteta. After that I cant think of anyone else

 

[Betel]

Gerrard and probably Lampard. Thats it imo. Milner is playing out of his skin at the moment so id put him on a par with Arteta. After that I cant think of anyone else

I would definitely rate Carrick above Arteta.

Speaking of Carrick, I think he should be in the Engalnd XI. Through his performances he has shown that he is far more effective than Lampard and could be the answer to the imbalance we have in the centre of the midfield.

If Hargreaves is fit and back on form (unlikely I know), him and Carrick should be the midfield duo for England, no question about it. Scholes, if not retired, would also get in the starting XI for me.

 

[Marc]

I would definitely rate Carrick above Arteta.

Speaking of Carrick, I think he should be in the Engalnd XI. Through his performances he has shown that he is far more effective than Lampard and could be the answer to the imbalance we have in the centre of the midfield.

If Hargreaves is fit and back on form (unlikely I know), him and Carrick should be the midfield duo for England, no question about it. Scholes, if not retired, would also get in the starting XI for me.

Im talking specificly the positions Arteta plays. As for Carrick, maybe Chetan or Corran can enlighten us, but everytime ive seen him this season he has looked woeful. I could be wrong but I think Capello always picks Barry ahead of Carrick

And let me get this straight, you are saying I talk a load of crap but then you say englands midfield should consist of Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes?

 

[Cerb]

I think its just that you seem a little biased towards spanish football lately. Maybe Arteta would make the england squad on the right but thats only becuase their wing isnt as strong. You could also say that because Xavi and Cesc are passing players gerrard might walk onto the spanish team because of his runs forward.

 

[Marc]

I think its just that you seem a little biased towards spanish football lately. Maybe Arteta would make the england squad on the right but thats only becuase their wing isnt as strong. You could also say that because Xavi and Cesc are passing players gerrard might walk onto the spanish team because of his runs forward.

I think Gerrard would get into the spanish team because he brings something to the table that Iniesta, Fabregas and Xavi dont. A few others would also make the squad imo, like Lampard, Ashley cole, Rio Ferdinand. Wayne Rooney would obv make the starting 11

 

[Vladamir]

If Hargreaves is fit and back on form (unlikely I know), him and Carrick should be the midfield duo for England, no question about it. Scholes, if not retired, would also get in the starting XI for me.

Haregreaves is done, he won't be playing for England again if he can't string a handful of games together for United.

It's a sad truth but the guys knees are fucked, he can prolong his career if he likes but i don't envy him when he retires and he'll struggle walking.

 

[Embattle]

BBC Sport - Football - Chelsea rocked by Ricardo Carvalho ankle injury

 

[Vladamir]

As long as Alex can stay fit i'm not really too fussed, i think this 606 comment sums it up nicely

"This season most of the goals we've conceded have been from set pieces and Ricardo Carvalho is at fault for 90% of them"

He's not been the same the last 2 seasons, whereas Alex has been a rock whenever he's played since Hiddink came in last year. Our future back line has Alex, Ivanovic and JT playing at centre-half for me.

I'd be quite happy to use Alex and Ivanovic week in week out tbh

And also

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6054122,00.html

If he gets fit and Ghana break him again i will fucking rage

 

[Wonk]

I would definitely rate Carrick above Arteta.

Speaking of Carrick, I think he should be in the Engalnd XI. Through his performances he has shown that he is far more effective than Lampard and could be the answer to the imbalance we have in the centre of the midfield.

HAHahahhahahaHAhahahahaha... sorry for the outburst, you can neg rep me all you want, but come on... Carrick!?

First of, you can't compare the two of them. It would be like saying "who's best, casillas or Inzaghi.

Secondly, England got to have better alternatives on his position. Barry and Hargreaves are two of them. I've watched Carrick more than once irl, and even his work without the ball is pretty average if you ask me.

 

[megadave]

Only problem is we dont have any cover at all in defence (or midfield) if anyone else get's injured we're fucked

 

[Corran]

Im talking specificly the positions Arteta plays. As for Carrick, maybe Chetan or Corran can enlighten us, but everytime ive seen him this season he has looked woeful. I could be wrong but I think Capello always picks Barry ahead of Carrick

And let me get this straight, you are saying I talk a load of crap but then you say englands midfield should consist of Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes?

Carrick is a little hit and miss. his consistancy is completely fucked at the moment, and not only game to game but within the games.

He actually done some delightful passing recently, but within that he given the ball away alot becuase he is often looking for that killer ball.
At times it looks like he not the player he has been, however he been playing more of a holding role recently which removes a portion of his game.

Personally I would play Carrick in the midfield for England, as the more defensive of the two CM's. He can distribute pretty well from that position, but to go with that he also pretty good at tracking runners. Alternative is Barry being played here, but both these players have issues
That way a more skillful and attacking player can be given freedom to push forward.

 

[cHodAX]

Im talking specificly the positions Arteta plays. As for Carrick, maybe Chetan or Corran can enlighten us, but everytime ive seen him this season he has looked woeful. I could be wrong but I think Capello always picks Barry ahead of Carrick

And let me get this straight, you are saying I talk a load of crap but then you say englands midfield should consist of Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes?

Carrick is gash 7 games out of 10, Scholes (age and asthma a huge factor though) 5 games out of 10 and Hargreaves has alot to prove before he reclaims the England spot that he made his own with some superb displays at the last World Cup. As it stands I would take Arteta before any of them right now, time will tell with Hargreaves though.

 

[Betel]

HAHahahhahahaHAhahahahaha... sorry for the outburst, you can neg rep me all you want, but come on... Carrick!?

First of, you can't compare the two of them. It would be like saying "who's best, casillas or Inzaghi.

Secondly, England got to have better alternatives on his position. Barry and Hargreaves are two of them. I've watched Carrick more than once irl, and even his work without the ball is pretty average if you ask me.

Poorly chosen simile there, because Carrick and Arteta occupy the same position, whereas Casillas is a goalkeeper and Inzaghi a striker (just incase you didn't know).

I've watched him play over 20 times this season and I think he is fantastic. 3 Premier League titles, 1 Champions League title and 1 Football League Cup since he has joined United speaks for itself really. He was fantastic against Germany, much better than Lampard or Gerrard managed in that position against far lesser opposition.

Im talking specificly the positions Arteta plays. As for Carrick, maybe Chetan or Corran can enlighten us, but everytime ive seen him this season he has looked woeful. I could be wrong but I think Capello always picks Barry ahead of Carrick

And let me get this straight, you are saying I talk a load of crap but then you say englands midfield should consist of Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes?

Woeful? Do you seriously think Sir Alex Ferguson would play him if he played woeful in most of his games? Or is it that you know better than Sir Alex? I mean, let's think logically about this.

And I never said that England's midfield should consist of Carrick, Hargreaves and Scholes. What I will say, however, is that either one of them could play in the centre of midfield for England. Hargreaves is a far more effective than Barry (and also poses a set-piece threat), Carrick is far more effective than Lampard and I have yet to see a player who can match Scholes's vision and convinction.

 

[cHodAX]

Hargreaves is a far more effective than Barry (and also poses a set-piece threat), Carrick is far more effective than Lampard and I have yet to see a player who can match Scholes's vision and convinction.

Totally agree with you there, can't say much about the rest though especially Carrick as everytime I watch him at OT his off the ball work is shocking and I cannot abide a lazy central midfielder.

 

[Wonk]

Totally agree with you there, can't say much about the rest though especially Carrick as everytime I watch him at OT his off the ball work is shocking and I cannot abide a lazy central midfielder.

that's exactly what I thought when I was at OT. He hasn't impressed me anywhere else really.