Football The 2009/2010 Season Thread

[Turamber]

Yet Carrick and Fletcher were at the centre of a United midfield which dominated possession throughout the game?

As I said, look at the silverware. It speaks for itself.

Silverware means that a team is superior, it doesn't mean that every individual player in the team is better. Else Villa's winning at Old Trafford would mean that all of our team are better than yours. Such a stupid argument.

Carrick was anonymous for United in the league cup final. Admittedly I didn't have a good armchair view with Man United tv telling me how United were dominating but it seemed pretty even to me in my seat at Wembley. And the advantage that you did have came from Park and Rooney ... Carrick may as well have not been on the pitch.

 

[Betel]

Silverware means that a team is superior, it doesn't mean that every individual player in the team is better. Else Villa's winning at Old Trafford would mean that all of our team are better than yours. Such a stupid argument.

Before Carrick came, United had not won the title in 3 years. When he arrived, he immediately plays first team football and United go on to win 3 Premier League titles, 1 Champions League title and 1 Football League Cup. Coincidence? I think not.

I leave you to do a little research into that matter yourself, but lets justs say that even Fergi would tell you that when there is an important game then it is Fletcher that makes the difference... and now if you watching games you will know that when you need a hard working midfielder that can support a solo Rooney, track back, and hassle the opponents then you play Park in the middle.

Carrick is disposable. many people can play where he plays and do almost as good a job (better in some areas). What Carrick has going for him is he has an OK all round game as opposed to being focused on passing, defensive or offensive duties.

I am not disputing whether Fletcher is better or worse than Carrick. That is an entirely different conversation. What I am saying is that Carrick is central to the way Manchester United play and, if England are to have a chance of winning the World Cup, he must equivalently be central to the way we play also. He is far more astute than the lumbering Lampard, he is more dangerous from range and ellicits a style of play and method of passing that will suit the team - most notably Rooney.

Fletcher is indeed United's workhorse in some games but if we are going to use than analogy then Carrick is surely the puppetmaster through which all of United's meaningful attacks pass through.

Once again, I will direct you to the next Manchester United game and you will see that Carrick does a lot more than he is given credit for.

Arteta > Carrick by plenty

I would say Carrick > Arteta by plenty likewise. Of course, both are a matter of opinion - but my opinion is backed up by facts; 3 Premier League titles, 1 Champions League title and 1 Football League Cup.

 

[megadave]

I like the new sig, marc

 

[megadave]

A quick look at stats:

So far this season Arteta has played 676 minutes, Carrick has played 2046.

Arteta has 4 goals, 1 assist and made 19 successful tackles. His passing accuracy is about 83% and he's created 18 attacks.

Carrick has 2 goals, 1 assist and made 49 successful tackles. His passing accuracy is about 85% and he's created 29 attacks.

 

[Betel]

To have a higher passing accuracy after playing so many more games says a lot about Carrick. Also, I disagree with the last statistic. Carrick creates at least 10 attack per game in my opinion.

 

[Turamber]

Once again, for the slow witted, titles and cups are won by teams and not individuals. Carrick is a good passer of the ball, but he doesn't command a game like Fletcher or Park can.

He's a good squad player but that is about it.

 

[Betel]

How is it a coincidence that since Carrick came to Man United they have not only played better but enjoyed greater success? I am not the slow witted one here.

 

[Turamber]

How is it a coincidence that since Carrick came to Man United they have not only played better but enjoyed greater success? I am not the slow witted one here.

Are you on a wind-up?

How about ageing Chelsea squad, falling investment by Abramovich, various poor managers installed; Arsenal squad that lost its best talent and the promising youngsters didn't improve fast enough; Liverpool squad that underachieved and had reducing returns from its management and owners; the rest of the league still playing catch-up to 10 years of CL money for the "big four".

Then, for United, you have Rooney ever improving and now in the form of his life and Ronaldo proving to be one of the best players on the planet before leaving for prettier girls and warmer climes. All about Carrick? You're having a laugh.

 

[Marc]

Before Carrick came, United had not won the title in 3 years. When he arrived, he immediately plays first team football and United go on to win 3 Premier League titles, 1 Champions League title and 1 Football League Cup. Coincidence? I think not.

Oh

My

God

That is sig material if ever I saw it

 

[Shagrat]

I think Carrick needs to start wearing his underpants outside of his shorts so we realise what a superman he is..........

He has rare flashes in games where he plays some very good passes, I've also however, when playing for Man Utd and England seen him give away possession with poor passes when under no pressure whatsoever.

As someone else has said he also doesnt break up play and dominate play as well as some midfielders in the Man Utd team, let alone midfields across the rest of the prem.

 

[Betel]

People need to start thinking logically. Manchester United have dominated England and had great success in Europe since Carrick has arrived. Carrick has been at the centrepiece of Manchester United over the past 3 years. This means Carrick is a good player - and actually watching games in which he is playing would help you to realise that.

 

[Ch3tan]

Shall we start a pool on how long it will be before a good bye thread?

 

[Shagrat]

- and actually watching games in which he is playing would help you to realise that.

must cost a fortune getting all the members of your split personality into Old Trafford

 

[megadave]

rofl this stuff is gold. how could everyone in the world missed it? ofcourse Man Utds success is all down to that average bit part player, Carrick!

Also you cant just make up stats like he makes 10 attacks per game.

 

[Vladamir]

Theres only one man responsible for the success at United.

:worthy::worthy:

 

[Corran]

Hmmm, success down to Carrick? I think you mean success was more down to Ronaldo then Carrick. Ronaldo came to fruitation and United began to dominate.

Carrick is not integral to the team. Scholes does a better distribution job imo, as does Giggs. Gibson does a decent job in carricks place also.

Carrick pass completion rate being high because 80% of hte balls are simple square passes. Yes he makes some good passes that start attacks but he isnt the one that creates the majority of the chances. Yes he will be involved in a lot of the moves, because he just does the easy pass and then someone else does the difficult part.

Honestly it doesnt matter though, carrick can be removed from the team and we will still get the results becuase he isnt integral to the way the team play. Others can fill that duty.
Remove Rooney from the team and we are lackluster most the time. Something that dont happen when Carrick removed

Remove Fletcher from the team and lose a combatitive box to box midfielder (park can partially replace this in the middle now, but Fletcher has better distribution) that no other midfielder we have currently can do which is why he is so integral to the team (no coincidence he missed 3 matches vs Liverpool and we lost them all).

Honestly I cant see where the carrick fanboi stuff is coming from. He can be a very good player but he is inconsistant as fuck. Anyone that truelly watches the way that Man Utd play will know this is the case.

 

[Bahumat]

I've also however, when playing for Man Utd and England

You played for Man Utd AND England?!

 

[Shagrat]

it's when I play for them at the same time that i struggle

 

[Bahumat]

it's when I play for them at the same time that i struggle

You are so bad ass Quincy!

 

[Betel]

Corran, you have partially convinced me.

In my mind, Carrick is a class player and as he improves I think I may prove you wrong. However, Corran's post did strike a chord with me and I am willing to set back a proportion of my praise for him and place it on to others, like Ronaldo whom, now that you mention it Corran, started to become a great player the year Manchester United won their first of three Premier League titles (wasn't that the year he came 3rd in the Ballon d'Or?).

Thank you for your enlightening post Corran. I am sincere when I say that you have changed my opinion of things.

Atleast your arguement is centered around your perceptive opinion rather than the judgemental tyrades with which other members of this forum use to dissmiss my ideas.

 

[Corran]

Yeahy! I said something worthwhile. Makes a change

 

[Marc]

Corran, you have partially convinced me.

In my mind, Carrick is a class player and as he improves I think I may prove you wrong. However, Corran's post did strike a chord with me and I am willing to set back a proportion of my praise for him and place it on to others, like Ronaldo whom, now that you mention it Corran, started to become a great player the year Manchester United won their first of three Premier League titles (wasn't that the year he came 3rd in the Ballon d'Or?).

Thank you for your enlightening post Corran. I am sincere when I say that you have changed my opinion of things.

Atleast your arguement is centered around your perceptive opinion rather than the judgemental tyrades with which other members of this forum use to dissmiss my ideas.

There is nothing judgemental. I was going to say the same thing about pass completion when compared to Artera. Artera plays high up the pitch, so to have just as good pass completion as a player who is starting attacks from his own half speaks volumes.

You brought it on yourself by claiming the reason Manchester United won 3 PL's in a row was down to carrick

 

[Lethul]

Shall we start a pool on how long it will be before a good bye thread?

I think he will stick a long longer than usuall this time, 13 days!

 

[Corran]

I think he will stick a long longer than usuall this time, 13 days!

he is gone now

 

[Corran]

Gah cant edit... stupid thing.

Cech back in goal
But Gabby is playing


Come on Villa get the result.
and
Come on Birmingham get the result.

Hmm, Im a brummy fan today it seems

 

[Lethul]

he is gone now

Then I was the closest since nobody else entered the competition! What do I win?

 

[Corran]

Then I was the closest since nobody else entered the competition! What do I win?

you win the joy of knowing you not going to hear him here again?

edit:
on plus side there is no drogba today. Hope that Villa keep a clean sheet now

 

[megadave]

hmm bit worried after looking at chelsea/villa team sheets :S

 

[Gray]

Chelsea 1 - 0 Villa

Lampard



Everton look to be having a lot of shots on goal, won't be long hopefully.


Hull 1 - 0 Fulham

LOL.

This is working out awesome for Everton. Come on Arsenal!

 

[Corran]

Chelsea always do well enough when Drogba dont play and bang in ton of goals so was worried this would happen... with cech back in goal and Villa recent record i feared the worst. Blah.

Was relying on Villa getting a result incase we lose to Chelsea