Yoni
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I probably would have said similar
Politics So...Europe then?
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Ego.
Boris will have a lot less control than he thinks without a mandate.
Plus they can see labour fracturing - they might see it as an easy way to get a bigger majority.
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So who's actually running the country today?
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What a fucking mess.
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My comment was a little tongue in cheek as looking at the mess the closest person to 'leading' at the moment is Osborne in the short term
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I may be over simplifying it but the reality is fuck all has changed as of yet aside from us identifying that we are not happy.
As usual there'll be a fucking ton of people making a fortune out of the markets crashing and they'll be rubbing there hands together every time they see the doom and gloom plastered all over the media.
I was pleased with Osbornes speech this morning and it all feels like when he took over in the first place, people just have to get their heads out of the ground and be positive.
As usual there'll be a fucking ton of people making a fortune out of the markets crashing and they'll be rubbing there hands together every time they see the doom and gloom plastered all over the media.
I was pleased with Osbornes speech this morning and it all feels like when he took over in the first place, people just have to get their heads out of the ground and be positive.
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To try and catch all of @Scouse 's tears in one place...
We as a country voted out, we can't change that now. Personally I am not massively bothered, there are pros and cons to both. I made my final decision to vote remain at the booth.
Scouse, previously a vehement defender of the little man has shown that when it actually matters, all he cares about us his personal net worth and bases his choice on that alone. I can understand how people who voted for very personal and possibly selfish reasons might feel buthurt right now but what is the point in getting even more wound up about it? You aren't changing opinions and even if you were, what difference would it make?
In the long term we will be fine, in the long term the EU is going to fracture. The French grind to a halt every other Sunday if truck drivers cant get the right lunches, can you imagine what is going to happen when the will for a frexit vote reaches critical mass?!
We have to live with our choice as a nation. The only way we will come out on top is to work with it, not against it.
Its time to try and change our society for the better, we have a real chance now. Inequality has been around since the start if time and was getting worse under the EU, maybe we can come out of it better? Especially now the main parties are imploding. Who knows.
Tldr. Stop fucking moaning and carry on.
We as a country voted out, we can't change that now. Personally I am not massively bothered, there are pros and cons to both. I made my final decision to vote remain at the booth.
Scouse, previously a vehement defender of the little man has shown that when it actually matters, all he cares about us his personal net worth and bases his choice on that alone. I can understand how people who voted for very personal and possibly selfish reasons might feel buthurt right now but what is the point in getting even more wound up about it? You aren't changing opinions and even if you were, what difference would it make?
In the long term we will be fine, in the long term the EU is going to fracture. The French grind to a halt every other Sunday if truck drivers cant get the right lunches, can you imagine what is going to happen when the will for a frexit vote reaches critical mass?!
We have to live with our choice as a nation. The only way we will come out on top is to work with it, not against it.
Its time to try and change our society for the better, we have a real chance now. Inequality has been around since the start if time and was getting worse under the EU, maybe we can come out of it better? Especially now the main parties are imploding. Who knows.
Tldr. Stop fucking moaning and carry on.
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I disagree with most of what you put up there @Raven. IMO it's way too simplistic an argument, putting what you consider I think in such black and white terms leaves no space for nuance and shades of grey and comes out far short of actual reality.
To use a single line as a proxy for the rest of your argument I'd say this doesn't describe the situation accurately:
However, even Leave-boy Boris has clearly stated that such a strong showing for Remain has effectively muddied the waters. It's far from a decisive vote in real terms. 48.1 vs 51.9 of 72% of the population in an indicative, non-legally binding vote. Unless you're a full-on subscriber to the tyranny of the majority then there's half the population's opinions to take into account and a hell of a lot to fight for.
Article 50 may never even be triggered, Leave campaigners are not just backtracking but leaping away from the very promises that secured them their very narrow margin "victory". And Boris's vision of a future UK isn't what Leave were after.
The demographics show that in the next two decades one of the underpinning pillars of the leave campaign will literally die off - leaving the well-educated-but-not-rich living in a Blighty created by a bitter uneducated working class - who've cut off their noses to spite their faces.
Personally, this is the thing that grates with me the most - it was a stupid decision by people who could barely grasp the arguments. Yes, there were some who could see the other side of it - @Wij's point about democracy was a hugely pertinent one - but those arguments didn't even ring the bell of the representative downtrodden working class in Ebbw Vale.
It was a decision made out of rage, stupidity and emotion, not rationality and considered thought. It's to our politician's shame that they let the economics of the (then) world's 5th largest economy become so skewed in favour of the rich and privileged, that the cries of the poor working class have been ignored for so long that the first time we get to vote on anything even remotely meaningful that it didn't matter what the rational arguments were - there were enough people hurting in the UK that the rage vote was so big.
So, balls to your cry of "stop fucking moaning". There's lots to moan about - and you'll find the better-educated political class are going to be balls out trying to scupper the bulk of leave's objectives.
And by "Leave's objectives" I mean the desires of the working class poor - not Boris, Gove and Farage.
To use a single line as a proxy for the rest of your argument I'd say this doesn't describe the situation accurately:
On the face of it, if you want to shut down discussion, then yes. Leave won.
However, even Leave-boy Boris has clearly stated that such a strong showing for Remain has effectively muddied the waters. It's far from a decisive vote in real terms. 48.1 vs 51.9 of 72% of the population in an indicative, non-legally binding vote. Unless you're a full-on subscriber to the tyranny of the majority then there's half the population's opinions to take into account and a hell of a lot to fight for.
Article 50 may never even be triggered, Leave campaigners are not just backtracking but leaping away from the very promises that secured them their very narrow margin "victory". And Boris's vision of a future UK isn't what Leave were after.
The demographics show that in the next two decades one of the underpinning pillars of the leave campaign will literally die off - leaving the well-educated-but-not-rich living in a Blighty created by a bitter uneducated working class - who've cut off their noses to spite their faces.
Personally, this is the thing that grates with me the most - it was a stupid decision by people who could barely grasp the arguments. Yes, there were some who could see the other side of it - @Wij's point about democracy was a hugely pertinent one - but those arguments didn't even ring the bell of the representative downtrodden working class in Ebbw Vale.
It was a decision made out of rage, stupidity and emotion, not rationality and considered thought. It's to our politician's shame that they let the economics of the (then) world's 5th largest economy become so skewed in favour of the rich and privileged, that the cries of the poor working class have been ignored for so long that the first time we get to vote on anything even remotely meaningful that it didn't matter what the rational arguments were - there were enough people hurting in the UK that the rage vote was so big.
So, balls to your cry of "stop fucking moaning". There's lots to moan about - and you'll find the better-educated political class are going to be balls out trying to scupper the bulk of leave's objectives.
And by "Leave's objectives" I mean the desires of the working class poor - not Boris, Gove and Farage.
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Because the next will PM will be an unelected PM? the people didn't vote vor Boris and will likely demand a general election.
No 'we' as a country didn't vote out, 51.9% of the country who even bothered to turn up at polling stations voted out, which mainly consisted of people over 60 (who will be fucking dead before long), UKIP supporters and Britain First mongs.. and a bunch of racists thrown in there for a lovely cocktail. Nigel Farage was already demanding a second referendum before the leave vote won, saying if it was a 52% to 48% victory it would be too close to call and it would have to be done again. Now that the leave vote won Nigel threw his toys out of the pram and is trying to stop a second referendum.
And that's exactly what happend 51.9% to 48.1%, so using Nigel Farage's own words against him - I want a second referendum waa waa waa.
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Why, because I don't agree with what you've said? or are you some how trying to steer my opinion to your liking? perhaps you'd like a referendum on that too?
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Well by you're own admission we'd never get a result, because as long as he keeps winning you'll keep moaning about it
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I thought that too. Managing to find a political cartoon that didn't disappear up its own arse and hit the nail on the head
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The federal plans for Europe have been leaked to a German newspaper...nothing new, just a wish list, but it includes total control of taxes, armies and the removal of any seperate government.
No matter how many bleat about how it wont happen...it WILL happen unless the people revolyt, you only have to look at our referendum to see the will of the people is of no consequence.
The EU will fudge, cheat, lie, threaten and buy off till they get their federal superstate.
No matter how many bleat about how it wont happen...it WILL happen unless the people revolyt, you only have to look at our referendum to see the will of the people is of no consequence.
The EU will fudge, cheat, lie, threaten and buy off till they get their federal superstate.