Politics So...Europe then?

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Raven, Feb 19, 2016.

  1. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    As alarm grew about the rise of fascism in Europe, Chamberlain resorted to news censorship to control public opinion.

    By contrast, the few who stood out against appeasement were seen as "voices in the wilderness whose wise counsels were largely ignored, with almost catastrophic consequences for the nation


    . The historians' assessments have ranged from condemnation for allowing Adolf Hitler's Germany to grow too strong, to the judgment that British leaders had no alternative and acted in their country's best interests.
     
  2. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

  3. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    So we should forcefully condemn and shut down the AfD right? That's what you recommend?
     
  4. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    So you're suggesting that we're appeasing the EU right now?

    As far as I am aware, most countries in the EU have agreed to join the EU and their leaders are currently suggesting that they should create a European army to protect Europe, it's not even been discussed yet, but I'm sure if lots of countries disagree with it then it won't go ahead.

    That is slightly different to invading Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland (I'd also like to point out that many of the German claims for some of these countries were also completely legitimate, much like the Russians having a claim to the Crimea, I'd actually suggest that you'd support German claims at the time since lots of German speakers were put into new countries which they didn't associate with culturally.)

    I'd like to point to history to why your approach doesn't work, using your own examples. WW1; The Treaty of Versailles utterly destroyed Germany, creating a very hostile environment and the blame was easy for Hitler to take advantage of. WW2; Germany was allowed to grow and prosper under the control of the Allies and there hasn't been a war since.

    I actually can't believe you're suggesting that we're appeasing the EU.
     
  5. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    Post-Brexit who will lead Europe?

    I can't quite put my finger on it but Macron is a tad annoying, he seems to be spending a lot of time in other countries talking about EU improvements and changes while paying little attention to French issues recently.
     
  6. Ormorof

    Ormorof FH is my second home

    Isnt that his job? As Prez he is in charge of foreign affairs and organising government while prime minister is in charge of france. Or have i misunderstood the french setup?
     
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  7. Ctuchik

    Ctuchik FH is my second home

    Yeah pretty much. And he's paying plenty of attention to stuff back home. It's just not getting reported about as it's boring as fuck news....
     
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  8. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    The Polish government have pushed out the head of the war museum because hes a leftie appointed by Tusk who pushed a guilt trip, hippy, flowers and beatles theme.

    The new guy has gone full bore the other way.
    This is the exit video from the museum.
    I think it sums up where Poland is going.


    View: https://youtu.be/gaTwXXJHX_I
     
  9. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    The Poles have always been fiercely nationalistic and it's the 100th anniversary of their independence.
     
  10. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

  11. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    Whatever @Job

    You could post a picture of a cat and still go on about liberals and the Guardian readership.
     
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  12. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    The first stage...denial.
     
  13. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    That's your only stage, right?

    Regardless of any evidence.
     
  14. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

  15. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    As a member of NATO and one of the countries who benefit from NATO I wouldn't exactly call it helping out NATO as it is and always has been in our interest to participate.
     
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  16. caLLous

    caLLous I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    I suppose "NATO member takes part in NATO exercise" didn't have the same ring to it.

    And I'm not sure what it's got to do with Europe but you carry on.
     
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  17. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

  18. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

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  19. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

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  20. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

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  21. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    If they pull the plug on brexit..the contagien will spread across Europe like a wildfire.

    Democracy will be lost for us all in Europe and it will be the beginning of the end for any slim trust people had.

    They are playing with fire
     
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  22. caLLous

    caLLous I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    You can't possibly have had a straight face as you were writing that...
     
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  23. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    He was foaming.

    What will happen in reality everyone will sigh a relief and everyone will be a bit more positive.
     
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  24. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Unfortunately I have to say that everyone underestimates the consequences.
    It all might seem like a Fawlty Towers farce, but this is being played out on a backdrop of unprecendeted mistrust of the EU across Europe.
    Not massive forces..just nibbling way from every angle.
    Merkel is dead...liberals are dead..centrists are facing a wipeout in upcoming elections..nationalism is on the rise and the denial of democracy in Britain us all it takes to change disgruntlement into action.
    Do you think it would just blow over..ah well, back to business as usual...a few moaners on the radio...give them a tax cut and all will be forgotten.
     
  25. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

    Don't forget to wear your foil hat as they can also read your brain waves.

    Well perhaps not yours but you know...
     
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  26. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Maybe you could share your prediction of the fallout from a no brexit announcement.
    Many intelligent ministers have said it would destroy the trust of the people for a 100 years and damage Britains international standing for the same time.
    I dont see how even remainers could support it without their stupid , populist, peoples vote.
     
  27. caLLous

    caLLous I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    "Mr Grayling, who campaigned to leave the EU"

    MP in "trying to push through what he campaigned for (and scaremongering about all other outcomes) shocker".
     
  28. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

    Just as shocking as remainers downplaying the seriousness of it not happening, even on this forum.
     
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  29. caLLous

    caLLous I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    "You're not taking it seriously enough", says the user who responds mostly with infantile ratings.
     
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